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InsanelyMac, original home of OSx86 goes up for sale!

forum.insanelymac.com — The founder of InsanelyMac has decided to put the website up for sale in a selfish act, which has hurt the feelings of many core members of the community as well as staff members. It is well known he as put little work into the project itself, yet he takes credit in the end. Is this right? Digg up if you think not!

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  • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The amount of cash you make vs what you give back is quite sickening Mashwadley. *WE* were the ones who helped the core useful people like JaS get what they deserved, and there was nothing in it for us. You sat back and made the money from his and others hard work.
    Anyway, hopefully your userbase realises quite how much they've been done over. Taking donations while raking in adsense money from other people's hard hacking work? Truly lame. It has also been pointed out by the vast majority of the older community that OSx86 as a project is dying out now. You guys chased all the developers away to their own IRC network and can't keep a stable team for more than a few months.
    Potential buyer beware.
    • ignorantcow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Sorry Mash.. but really, no one should be making __$75,000___ off the hard work of other people.

      Take JaS for example. His rig broke down after making and testing .pkgs after .pkgs for install DVDs, so average users wouldn't have to suffer a headache going through a manual install. He asked for help, and got an new one. That's fair.

      What about maxxuss, art/semjaza, semthex and all the people who have contributed so much throughout this whole project? They didn't get anything at all.

      Just.. meh.
    • flux1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Everyone that thought mash was screwing over people and making money on this site were right, and alot are probably surprised at exactly how much he has been leeching off the hard work of others all this time. Best of all is constantly begging for donations as if they were days away from being shut down due to not having any funds, now its revealed the site has been pulling $1,500+ profit per month. I'm sure all the people scammed into donating for Mash to get a Macbook Pro feel really well about it now.

      Asking for $75,000 is a damn joke. The whole "scene" is dying. There is no way whoever buys it will be able to last long enough to get their money back from it. The site is lucky it lasted as long as it has. The osx86 community was on life support anyways, so the place was turned into just another mac site in an attempt to save it. Now that the ship is going down the people at the top are cashing out and jumping overboard.

      The claims of helping to start an IRC network are laughable at best. You never paid for any irc servers, and have been kicked off every one of them you tried making a room on.

      You have left a long trail of people you have pissed off since all this started, now for your last trick you are trying one final screw you to everyone as you attempt to ride off into the sunset laughing all the way to the bank.
    • ignorantcow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree with your comment flux1, except for one thing.

      IRC has taken off pretty well, and it is separate from the site. Note our network (irc.moofspeak.net) isn't a part of this sale.
    • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Taken off? There were around 140 invisible users the last time i saw it. That and most of the staff again hate the place and want out Quantity isn't anything close to quality in the osx86 world.
  • PRocker267, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I would like to know what the ***** your problem is, Swad is selling insanely mac because he was accepted into a university and he wants the site to be sold to a responsible owner so that osx86 users can still have a great community to go to, that don't sound very selfish to me, if anything, it was a VERY responsible decision.
    • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The problem is stated clearly above. Believe me, not all is what it seems publically with the OSx86 Project. There is so much infighting and bad blood growing now. You noticed staff have started leaving? Ever stop to wonder why that is..?
  • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Sorry for the long post.. Where to start.. Lets go with commenting on your post:
    "I’ve come to the realize that the schedule required by such a program won’t allow me to devote the time required to see InsanelyMac grow into the future," even though i didnt do anything in the first place..

    "A community such as this needs a strong leader who will do whatever is necessary to fight for the continued strength of that community. I have served in that capacity as I was able, but fate now takes me on a much different path." No you havent, You've caused more controversy then good - from the original split on R-Type/Macspeak where you first pissed the entire IRC staff + Server admin and others, and numerous other times since then. Staff is leaving for a reason.

    "I will not sell to anyone – regardless of money – who does not have the best interests of the community in mind. You can count on that." No. What we can count on is you selling to the highest bidder. You've been after money from the beginning - when you would come on IRC and ask for people to digg your stories over and over in hopes that people would click your ad's.

    "No, not at all. I’ll be around for as long as InsanelyMac is here (forever?), although my schedule for the foreseeable future won’t allow the amount of involvement I’d like. I’ll also be here to help with the transition to new ownership." So you'll do as much as you did before? Nice to know that we can still count on you to do nothing.

    "Ideally I’d just be able to hand the forum over one of the other Administrators of the site," Except you already pissed them all off - from the original Server admin, Shuddertrix, to the next one - shard (Who you kicked off), to cmoski (who you just pissed off in general).

    "Eventually I came to the conclusion that selling the site would be the best idea." And you want money.

    "preference goes to InsanelyMac members and other well established members in the Mac community (and I'm in talks with several). Secondly, I won't sell to anyone who doesn't have a track record of administering healthy communities." Translation: Whoever pays me the most gets the site. I'd love for MR or macnn or some other site to buy me. that'd be nice as they would probably pay a lot.

    Then there's the auction. $75k? *****. That's over 3 years to break even if your adsense is right. And i doubt adsense can be increased 4x without putting more ad's on the site. You've already done a fair amount of SEO and ya know it.

    Not to mention you treat the staff like ***** (shown in the auction as well)
    //AppleLegal
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sorry for the bad formatting - ran out of time to fix it :|

      Oh and just to mention, I also go by AppleLegal in osx86 community and was irc staff for over a year :)
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4If anyone's interested, i'll write up a full thing about how osx86 community got ***** up in a dozen different ways. At the very least, it'll kill a few minutes time to read.
    • MrBond, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Just curious, but can you provide any examples of how he's treated staff like *****? I don't get all the details on a majority of the arguments that go on, and have to rely on the (generally) biased opinions of others...so I'm just a bit confused. Imho, he's been more than welcoming to the staff over the past couple of years....I know most other admin's would freak if their moderators simply slipped off the face of the planet for a good month, but he's been incredibly understanding with the commitments others have, seeing as he's experienced/experiencing the same thing, no doubt.
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Back on R-type, he called everyone replaceable. Then proceeded to replace his server admin to prove his point. In the latest auction, lists them as a benefit - 'free staff that dont need to be paid'
  • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0If you guys (and gals) are truly sick of IM, please give nice mac dot com a try.

    Sincerely,

    Goodtime
    http://nicemac.com
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6and advertising like that aint much better then what insanelymac is doing ^^
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Which is why i posted a point by point thing saying why Swad is an idiot a few posts up?

      edit: this is replying to http://digg.com/apple/InsanelyMac_original_home_of_OSx86_goes_up_for_sale#c5840151 however goodtime has so many threads buried, I got them mixed up. Whoops, sorry.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0AppleLegal,

      All I am saying is if you guys really feel like InsanelyMac is going down the tubes for some time now. Why not give another forum a chance? What is wrong with trying something new? What do you guys have agaianst me? What did I ever do to you? All I ask if to give something else a try.

      Goodtime
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4insanelymac's had more then it's share of chances. And your forum doesnt get any because if this is how you act on other sites, i'd hate to be on a site of yours that you run.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0If you ask any of my Members, they would say that I am a good Admin. You are not a member of my site, so please don't speculate what kind of a person that I am. If feel that you are personally attacking me which I why I contiunue to defend myself. AP, What's up with the use of the F-word on here anyway? I guess that really shows which type of person you are: profane.

      Sincerely,

      Goodtime
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4if 'the f word' means '*****' then you must be confused as this post is the first time i've said it. And if it doesnt mean '*****' then what does it mean to you?

      While i might not be on your forum, i can judge your character by how you act on other sites.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Apple Legal,

      Thank you for pointing out what the F word is and using it again. All I can say is that I am glad you are not a member of my site. You have really shown your butt on here too. Nice going! I still don't know what you have against me, but you seem to be against the majority of the people on here.

      Goodtime
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Quote from What Apple Legal Said:

      "If anyone's interested, i'll write up a full thing about how osx86 community got ***** up in a dozen different ways. At the very least, it'll kill a few minutes time to read."

      I see the F word there before you used it here again.

  • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0So what's wrong with Advertising? All I am asking is to give nice mac a chance. There is no harm in that.

    Sincerely,

    Goodtime

    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Well your spamming, you've failed to figure out how to hit 'reply' instead you make a new thread, it has nothing to do with the topic of the digg, and it's not like your site particularly has some (read: any) useful content.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0I guess ingorance is truly bliss. noonebutme, you sound like Swad and I bet you are.

      gt
  • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0After all IM Censored us, so I am speaking out for Nice Mac.

    Goodtime
    http://nicemac.com
  • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -9/+0Let's see Nice Mac has been open for two weeks with just 28 users and over 1000 posts.

    I rest my case.

    Goodtime
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Please, stop spamming. Seriously. the 'Reply' Button is there for a reason. If you make a new thread each time you want to reply for a post, that doesnt say much for your community.

      403 of those 1111 posts belong to you. 106 belong to mac-mini. If 50% of your content comes from 2 people after being up for a month ( http://nicemac.com/index.php?topic=2 is a month old) and your site is a forum, it's not successful.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0I would not keep replying if you did not keep leaving such one sided narrow minded comments. Come on, Think Different.

      Of course the majority of the posts are from a few users. We are just starting out. Free speech is not Spam my friend. I should be able to defend myself if you keep leaving comments trying to take away from what Nice Mac has to offer.

      Clearly the main digg here shows there is a falling out with IM.

      Goodtime
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Your more then welcome to defend yourself/your site. But do so in one single comment thread. not among 5-6. My comments arent one-sided or narrow-minded. They're simply one's you disagree with. Dont confuse the terms. the "falling out" has been in the works for over a year. It's not a new development.

      I never said 'stop talking' just 'stop spamming'
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Really now? Thanks for pointing the reply button out. OMG OMG OMG You sound like a complete blank.

      Goodtime
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Now you are starting to piss me off.

      gt
    • MrBond, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Goodtime...you sir, are an idiot. And I have nothing else to say.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0If you really new the history behind Nice Mac, you would know what it started out as bbs.art5dog.com for two weeks and then become NiceMac.com. The site is going day by day, one user at the time. It is not dying or unsuccessful. How do you define success? This is different for everyone.

      Goodtime
  • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I will not sell to anyone – regardless of money – who does not have the best interests of the community in mind. You can count on that."
    Really? You know, the fact of that "Buy it now" option says otherwise...
    Mash, it's over. Everyone is leaving staff because the whole thing has been badly managed all along. The server owners, the forum mods, the hackers, those are the ones who should have been rewarded. Even in the early days, you treated the entire staff like crap, and they deserted you and built a better room with another network. Yours floundered and was pulled for "quality reasons" or something according to what you told the users. The real reason? You had no staff left to run it. Admit it. You caused the split. In essence you were REMOVED from the original irc network that housed #osx86 because wherever your people landed, trouble followed. It's as true today as it was then. How many IRC relaunches have there been now?
    You've treated everyone like crap all along, and the sooner the users wake up and realise that these comments are coming from staff who LEFT TO ESCAPE IT ALL, the better. You don't deserve the money. You are a complete hypocrite with the "no piracy" policy, too, and you know it full well.
    OSx86 dies here. Enjoy the view everyone. :)
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I fully agree. :)
    • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Please don't. noonebutme is one of the ones who knows the full story behind the nice shiny image over osx86p. I don't want or need your agreement.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0I still agree with your first comment whether you like it or not. I can't say that I agree? Have a nice day.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0"Try "all that money for no actual work". I hear that about covers it."

      STKD,
      Now I would say that Swad did put alot of effort into InsanelyMac. Where did he not do any actual work. I see he has written many articles on IM. Is this not worth anything. I have to defend JS on this one.

      gt
  • Rice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Mash... I don't know what to say.
    • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Try "all that money for no actual work". I hear that about covers it.
  • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Mr Bond.

    What the hell ever. I am glad IM is getting sold. :) Do you plan on going down with the sinking ship? If so, you are not even the Captian. Swad is.

    goodtime
    • MrBond, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Goodtime...I will say this. I've held my mouth, time and time again, as you go trolling the forums trying to persuade users to your "site", which is supposedly so superior to InsanelyMac. I'm not here to have a debate about which site is better...it's the ethics of using another community as a launching platform for your pathetic attempt at a forum/website. Please...at least gain some sense of design and common courtesy before trying to "steal" a userbase.
  • zuluwalker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've only been an active member this year, but there have been a few people leaving here and there occasionally. Guess this must be the reason why then...
    • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, more and more of the behind the scenes is coming out. Sad to say but everything we have said is true. This is why we - many of us are the ORIGINAL staff who found better places to go - quit. That's right. We weren't fired, we weren't replaced, the IRC channel didn't go on hiatus for quality reasons. We left because mashwadley and sHARD couldn't admin to save themselves and we were left "dealing with the ***** job they didn't want to have to deal with" (more or less their exact words about the actual task of helping people). We all left. They had nobody left who wanted the job so it got offered to the next down the ladder. They were more or less pushed off the original network because nobody wanted to deal with them any more. The server owners actually chose to keep us and a smaller room (at first - eventually we overtook them) rather than them and their large userbase. That says a lot surely.
      Mashwadley is out for the money, always was. Masking it in politician-speak doesn't hide the fact from those who are behind the scenes. Ask why the devs left their current IRC network.
  • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0100% of the IM users than did come over to a nice mac are the best users on Nice Mac. They are the best. I am not trying to steal a user base. I don't tell my users not to use InsanelyMac or link or user any other website. I do not tell me users what they can say or put in their Sig lines. I believe in free speech and freedom of the press. I never said that Nice Mac is superior, but it is a nice place to be. The time I spend there is much more enjoyable then a forum that encourages censorship of what it's moderators and admins disagree with.

    Goodtime
  • Retrograde, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2There are a lot of words that come to mind with this post - "wow" is about the only one I'm willing to share.

    I could respond to all these stupid allegations, but that would take far too much time. nvidiauser, let's be honest - you're still upset that you weren't mature enough to be an Admin.

    But regardless, people will always be upset when someone else earns money that they don't. I started the website and I'm selling it - I've made no other claims. JaS is a smart guy and I haven't made any money off of him - if he'd like to make his own site and sell it, he's welcome to.

    Arrogance mixed with ignorance is powerful and dangerous brew - it's good to know that noonebutme and nvidiauser have it by the barrel.
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I'm hardly arrogant. I don't run a site based off the works of others. I'm not trying to sell said site. I don't care about the money. If i did, i would have set my own site up ages back, when win2osx went down. Or i would have gotten more involved in development and put a donation link up. Something. Instead I choose to be active on IRC. Where there's no ad's. Don't accuse me of being greedy when it's far from the truth ^_^

      I have however, been around osx86 for a longer time then most others. And I have been on both sides of all the arguments. So i know whats going on. I've yet to make anything up. I don't need to. The truth speaks louder then anything i could make up.

      Im not 'working' in cooperation with anyone here. I found this link in your thread (which i was linked to), and i decided to digg it. Then i decided to comment. Simple enough.
    • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Right place, right time" doesn't qualify as hard work Mashwad. Shuddertrix set up the wiki - not you. The developers at the time and the staff on IRC filled it with info - not you. sHARD ran the site from the technical end when you knifed Shuddertrix in the back because you didn't know how to. The staff on IRC did the work you didn't want to bother yourself with - just as they do today - which is the actual helping people. Do any of them or us care about money? Clearly not. We did it for the fun, not the profit. You did no work. Not work that a trained monkey couldn't have done anyway. Deep down you know it, I'm sure. You don't deserve the money. Even the people who earned you it believe so.
      OSx86 is a sinking ship, and a dangerously overvalued one at that. Buyer beware.
  • Onetrack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Fark it.. where can I find JaS - I owe him some beer / lunch money for all his hard work.

    My gorgeously silent, homemade hackmac sitting on the floor here says make it so.
    • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2JaS is now on a network with all the other developers. Nobody left with a brain uses insanelymacmoofwhateverthehellitscalled these days.
      Even the latest admin of their IRC network wants out. They know it, too.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0JaS is also a member of NM. I guess he didn't think it was a bad site.
    • NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4You fail to grasp the idea of comments, threads and how they relate to specific topic's. In any case, It's possible he just joined to prevent someone from stealing his nick. How many posts are there by him? if i had to guess (Im not going to waste my time signing up to verify this), i'd say there's less then 5.

      In any case, anyone using osx86 owe's JaS a beer at the very least.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0JaS joined to test Hatchery. This is the main reason why he joined and his posts prove that. Please stop saying make these false statements about me and my website.

      I do agree that everyone either owes JaS a beer or 5 Paypal dollars.

      Sincerely,

      Goodtime
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Ah.. if you look at NM there are not very many rules. We don't even have a rules area. Sorry but the UI here was not very clear at first. Are you guys for or against IM or are you against every forum in existence. Isn't digg neutral ground? I did not post this on InsanelyMac. http://nicemac.com/index.php?topic=263.msg1214#msg1214
  • flux1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3There are people saying Swad can do whatever he wants with the site, including selling it, which is true since he owns it. However if he truely does respect the community that made his site into anything to begin with he can show it.

    By his own admission he dosen't pay anyone anything, or pays them very little. So since this sale is basicly going to be all profit, why not give a good percentage of it to the people that made the site possible. I'm not refering to sHARD who already stuck his hand in there to leech money, but the developers that worked on cracking osx86 which is the reason people started going to osx86project.org in the first place. Without them there would have never been a site, yet they haven't seen a dime from Swad for it. If you really do respect the people who's hard work made all this possible, show them.
  • colonels1020, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Goodtime, knock it off with the NastyMac spam. >:(
    • STKD, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Dugg down because you're a moron too.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0If you guys keep attacking me than I will keep defending myself. You guys are really showing why type of people that you really are. Which is insane.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0Sorry about the multiple threads to everyone. This is the first time I commented on digg and I am truly sorry that I even chimed in. You people are very cruel and I would not want you on my site if you acted this way on Nice Mac.
    • zuluwalker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I guess being a first timer on any site requires a little reading on the site's rules and whatnots. If we were on NM then we would read your rules. Maybe that's why people keep attacking you for hijacking this thread. And retorting by saying everyone's cruel is... I'll shut up now.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Sorry, I meant to post this hear, but the reply was buried:

      Ah.. if you look at NM there are not very many rules. We don't even have a rules area. Sorry but the UI here was not very clear at first. Are you guys for or against IM or are you against every forum in existence. Isn't digg neutral ground? I did not post this on InsanelyMac. http://nicemac.com/index.php?topic=263.msg1214#msg1214

      If you keep responding to me, I will keep replying. If you don't like it, quit addressing me and I don't post anything else here.
    • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Nobody reads every single rule. When is the last time you honestly read a software license agreement when you installed a piece of software. If you respond and say that you do, I would have to say that you are not being truthful. Digg is an piece of software too in its online form. I bet the majority of Digg's users have not read its license agreement and rules.

      gt
  • goodtime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0ok. This UI is corn-fusing.
  • flux1, on 10/31/2007, -0/+0This comment is just a test to see if a theory of mine is right, ignore it... and mash, hope you are enjoying your money :P
    • flux1, on 10/31/2007, -0/+0Instant diggdown in a story noone should have been reading, proof someone out there has decided they hate me enough to add me to their auto burry list. Guess this will have to be reported.
  • SafeMrRomeo, on 06/23/2008, -0/+0I cant believe this, what a fool!
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