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- paradexes, on 12/20/2007, -39/+317Well chalk one up to Apple. Great way to squelch A: Free speech and B: free publicity and hype. I can bet this comment will get negative diggs. No surprise.
- TheTSArt, on 12/20/2007, -22/+277I love Apple, but this just seems wrong to me.
- madcran, on 12/20/2007, -18/+207I really hope Nick gets far in his journalism career. GOOD LUCK NICK!!!!!!
- cowboy77061, on 12/20/2007, -19/+208way to treat your hardcore fans Apple. :(
- normalkid, on 12/20/2007, -6/+93ThinkSecret got sued because they were mostly right (at the time). Apple's not suing inaccurate sites for "disseminating trade secrets".
- oepapel, on 12/20/2007, -16/+95It seems wrong because it is wrong.
Apple stomped an independent website into the dust with a horde of lawyers. They did it because Apple didn't like what they were doing. If any other company had done this, there would be screaming from the rafters.
Steve has lost my respect forever. He used to be about fighting the man and big business (i.e. IBM). He has become what he despised. Karma is a bitch. - inactive, on 12/20/2007, -12/+90Internet Explorer 8 passes the Acid2 test on the same day Apple crushes a lone blogger promoting their products.
I think that bitch threw the hammer the wrong direction. - Raian, on 12/20/2007, -13/+86Apple's bad PR demon is back
- yutt, on 12/20/2007, -5/+69What the *****...
- WiLLGT09, on 12/20/2007, -14/+67R.I.P. ThinkSecret! This was the first mac rumours site I stumbled across early in my Mac-owning life.
- inactive, on 12/20/2007, -14/+67PLEASE learn what free speech is all about before making yourself look foolish again.
- UrbanOne, on 12/20/2007, -20/+70Why am I feeling like this is just wrong?
- shorn, on 12/20/2007, -11/+58Uh, contracts are not LAWS. Companies don't get to make LAWS. What an Apple Employee broke was one term of a CONTRACT. Apple is not the GOVERNMENT. You are not a citizen of United Nations of STEVE. Stop SHOUTING *****.
- superkendall, on 12/20/2007, -3/+48Free Speech != industrial espionage
Can I "free speech" all the passwords to your bank from your house too and share those on the internet? - suprememilo, on 12/20/2007, -2/+43dude, I hear apple is releasing something next tuesday, but it might be the one after that, or after that.
- oriondr, on 12/20/2007, -11/+49Seriously, trade secrets? If he knew about it it obviously wasnt a secret anymore. You shouldn't be able to take away someone's money just because you cant keep secrets. Plug the leak, and stop whining. ***** apple.
- Po0py, on 12/20/2007, -18/+56If Microsoft did this people would be up in arms.
- lazyeyesam, on 12/20/2007, -1/+29What the hell's a cloth child?
- aldenhg, on 12/20/2007, -2/+30He shut down so he wouldn't have to reveal his sources - i.e keeping them employed. How, exactly, is that selling out?
- Raian, on 12/20/2007, -3/+27Thinksecret was a rumours site that reported on unreleased Apple products. If my memory serves me correctly... Thinksecrete reported on something called 'meteorite' which was an interface or an audio in type product that tied in to garageband.
Apple had a fit, and demanded to know the sources stating that the author or site was not journalistic and he was not a journalist. That caused a large sensation within the journalistic community because it was precedent setting, and made Apple seem very arrogant. Apple ends up uncovering the guy running the site was merely a young man in college-- and they try to settle out of court. five years later this is the result. The whole thing is pretty bastardly. - RyeBrye, on 12/20/2007, -1/+24Clearly, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Think Secret was among the most accurate rumor sites. They were shut down precisely BECAUSE they were accurate.
What's strange is the product they are getting shut down for leaking information on, Apple has yet to release. - pak314, on 12/20/2007, -16/+39When will Apple sue all the market analysts who seem to leak all the product plans from Apple's suppliers?
- vwvan, on 12/20/2007, -3/+22the replacements will be far less civil. you just can't beat that disgruntled employee feeling.
- parbjohal, on 12/20/2007, -1/+19maybe - to me it sounds like Apple we're trying to force him to reveal his contacts etc - he refused - they probably said they would sue, he can't afford that - Apple give him the option to shut up shop and they will not bankrupt him...
Amicable because Apple get to cut off a source of leaks - and ThinkSecret get to go quietly into the night... - fugazied, on 12/20/2007, -4/+22How is leaking trade secrets free speech?
- ivanov, on 12/20/2007, -7/+23Fascinating comment. Firstly, we are only hearing the spin from the Think Secret/Nick Ciarelli side. Secondly, we have no idea what the judgement really was. Thirdly, we don't know the full circumstances of the case. And yet the comments flow in support of Think Secret and denigrating Apple.
Nick Ciarelli appeared to be immune from prosecution: screen shots galore of software that developers were not permitted to distribute, and information on products which others were told to take off their websites - yet he still persisted, even though he knew that he was violating non-disclosure agreements. That is neither professional or ethical.
No doubt I'll be digged down for this: it's not all about free speech, but some people believe that trade secrets are not worth protecting either by law or action. - milliamp, on 12/20/2007, -7/+22You know, almost every time I think about getting an Apple computer, something stops me.
Apple may not have a monopoly, but are they really any less controlling than MS? It seems like Apple is always on the legal offensive against people using their icons/look and feel/leaking products etc.
If Apple had a ~95% OS market share would we be better off? - rebrad, on 12/20/2007, -6/+21Think Different, that is as long as it's Approved Thinking.
Heil Jobs! - techroach, on 12/20/2007, -9/+24Absolutely correct. U nailed it. I think Apple is losing their philosophy. I think Apple is going Microsoft. If that happens, I'm on to the Linux community.
- geezshock, on 12/20/2007, -7/+22ahh the good ol' days.
- solistus, on 12/20/2007, -1/+15This suit had nothing to do with ThinkSecret merely posting things Apple did not like. They leaked private information that they could not have obtained legally. In order to protect their sources within Apple, they shut down.
- m00n1, on 12/20/2007, -7/+21It is wrong. There's another story on digg about Apple becoming Microsoft. In some ways, Apple is way worse than Microsoft. Microsoft has this reputation as a ferocious legal beast. Every time I hear that meme I ask people to name one example. I've yet to get a good answer.
Microsoft is extremely open, and encourages a conversation, and accepts that means people will say bad things. Apple is secretive, defensive and reclusive.
Sure, apple might kick butt in the products, but when it comes to business practice, I would choose the modern Microsoft over Apple any day. - mrsteveman1, on 12/20/2007, -0/+13It's what happens when you fail to learn how to use the comma
- SamVR6, on 12/20/2007, -1/+14Im sure he was well compensated for it.
- ajwinder, on 12/20/2007, -3/+15Um, a lot of people were upset with this, mac users included. I'll live in a world without macs, I'd rather not live in a country without free speech or freedom of the press.
- blackjack75, on 12/20/2007, -2/+14With lawyers involved it's rather: you'd be in debt of 25 millions if you try to resist. So if you comply we'll leave you at zero and it'll be like you had won 25 millions. Sign here.
- manicallday, on 12/20/2007, -7/+18"In a positive solution for both sides. As part of the confidential settlement, no sources were revealed and Think Secret will no longer be published. Nick Ciarelli."
This is what people consider positive? I don't see the positive for both sides. I see one loser and one winner. Maybe he got a sack of cash or something. Otherwise, the right to produce a website is not a positive. - richardhenry, on 12/20/2007, -2/+13But with a five year time delay?
- coldfusion1970, on 12/20/2007, -8/+19Apple arent doing anything to their fans.
- TTURabble, on 12/20/2007, -0/+11If I remember from my law class, you cannot be forced to follow the contract if you do not want to. You will have to pay for the breach of contract, but they cannot "force" you to do anything you don't want to do. The way I see it, Think Secret has no obligation to divulge their source because they were never under an agreement with Apple, they can throw as much legal clout as they want but a good lawyer should be able to say "stfu apple, your employees, your problems"
What Think Secret did was give up, plain and simple. - Ryosen, on 12/20/2007, -0/+11Stay in school, kids.
- Thater, on 12/20/2007, -1/+11Borat? if anything it's a Wayne's World comment. But I agree, it was a lame joke.
- buddhistMonkey, on 12/20/2007, -4/+14There's a not-too-fine line between promoting Apple's products, and misappropriating trade secrets, which is a federal crime under the U.S. Economic Espionage Act of 1996. Apple has many billions of dollars invested in their trade secrets, and it's certainly within their right (and from a shareholder's perspective, it's their corporate duty) to seek enforcement of the federal laws protecting their intellectual property from illegal disclosure.
For the record, too, Apple's Safari already passes the Acid2 test, and it's available now. Internet Explorer 8 will be out when, exactly? 2009? I'll believe it when I see it. - milliamp, on 12/20/2007, -2/+12Well I suppose someone should do research and write a proper article comparing them, but I think Apple is actually worse than MS.
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/05/23/apple-legal-not-amu ...
http://www.networkworld.com/columnists/2007/101007 ...
http://www.tech2.com/india/news/smart-mobile-phone ...
http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/01/15/mi ...
In that last link, Apple even sent a cease and desist letter to a blogger who was covering an iPod skin (he had screenshots).
BestBuy was recently burned at the stake over a Slashdot the same crime recently: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/12/19 ...
Apple's great public image allows them to get away with the kinds of things people would be outraged at MS over. - monkeyrun, on 12/20/2007, -0/+10That so called "Asteroid" was a "bait" leaked by Apple on purpose, and frankly the code name is rather ... un-Apple like.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=451
"I was talking recently with an ex-Apple staffer who worked high up at the company for many years, often closely with CEO Steve Jobs. The programmer, who asked not to be named, was convinced the Asteroid product was invented, a figment of Jobs' imagination dreamed up to find the source of leaks — the old "canary trap." " - Drizzit, on 12/20/2007, -4/+13It's sad though. This sets a precedent for corporations to squelch press they do not agree with. I wish the guy had the balls to enforce freedom of the press. Apple is happy to play the rumor game all the time. They should of had to show damages which I doubt were none.
- monkeyrun, on 12/20/2007, -2/+11Most of those "leaks" are actually incorrect.
And I vaguely remember that few years ago ATI got Steved because they leaked something before Apple's announcement. - blackjack75, on 12/20/2007, -0/+9Did you just use reliable and rumor in the same sentence?
- inactive, on 12/20/2007, -5/+13Doesn't matter, moron. Freespeech is about the GOVERNMENT not allowing its citizens to talk. It has absolutely nothing to do with private corporations and hteir trade secrets. (Which by the way, it not protected speech anyway.)
- node3, on 12/20/2007, -3/+11While this whole ordeal was rather unpleasant, it does sound like Nick "dePlume" Ciarelli was paid, at least, as part of the settlement ("amicable settlement" and "positive solution for both sides").
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