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- mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -1/+30you mean, Mac OS on a PC...since that what's the article is about.
- Scooley01, on 10/12/2007, -19/+42I hate those commercials with a passion. Especially the one where the mac guy is talking about all the "neat things" you can do on a mac, and they make it sound like you can't do anything but pie charts on a PC...
- TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23The funny thing Is that I'm reading this and Gate's basically predicted the future. Gates was a big fan of apple but he saw where they failed (and frankly are still failing today) they need to open up more
- emblym, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22You are the reason Digg should have an age limit.
- yellowperil, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24I have a mac, I love my mac. But I dont hate windows. In fact I have a PC as well and I love both machines. I do hate those commercials too. I mean, Im a graphic designer and I kinda sorta need it. However, If I wasnt a designer I would never ever get a mac because of its price point. I hate the way some apple users think they are hip/cool/elite because they have a mac... owning a computer does not make you who you are, its what you do with it and what you do with your own life that makes you hip/cool/elite.
- deanlowe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I say bring back the stoner chick ad.
- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Gates is the richest man in the world. His company is the most profitable and wide-reaching software corporation in the world.
I'd say that he's executed his vision for success in a most grand fashion. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Apple has always had it pretty sweet. Windows has to be compatible with thousands of third party and legacy hardware components and devices. The Mac OS works so well because everything in the system isproprietary, designed by Apple specifically to work with their OS. Saves them all the techical grief some Windows users get. If the Apple OS had to work on IBMs and IBM compatibles they'd be as bloated and bogged down as Microsoft is.
- Tux42, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22I think the commercials might be more accurate if the "pc" guy identified himself as "a windows pc"
How about this. ;)
mac: hi I am a mac
Winpc: hi I am a windows pc
Linuxpc: and I am a Linux pc.
*Winpc freezes
mac: hello, wake up!
Linuxpc: Give him a break, you used to do that to.
mac: (defensively) yeah, but that was a long time ago.
Have a nice day :) - carpespasm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11indeed sillygates, technically any computer not made by IBM under the Personal Computer (tm) name isn't a PC. most home computers are personal computers, just not Personal Computers (tm). it's just that calling it PC Compatible stopped being nessicary once all IBM clones were PC Compatible. for a while some were only partially compatible
- sillygates, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@jpt62.....
well Macs are not considered PCs because historically (before the intel macs) they were not built on a platform compatible with the first successful "personal computer" architecture, The IBM PC/AT, hence PC, and those old "IBM compatible" stickers, etc.
now Apples still do not have full PC/AT support because of their lack of BIOS (yeah yeah EFI is better, but its not PC/AT) - DrBones, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Gates clearly has the ability to execute his vision. I dont think I even need to back up that statement. Unfortunately, Steve Jobs is arrogant and refused to listen to him. Imagine Gates succeeding in convincing Apple to commoditize and open their architecture. Very possibly Microsoft would never have developed windows, and Jobs would be in Gates' position.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22And now we get to those annoying, bitter, spiteful, sh*t talking commercials
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"In 1985, AppleMatters carried this story"
Didn't know AppleMatters was around then. Learn something new everyday. - jpt62089, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9personally I think less experienced users don't realize what PC means and that they are used to refering Macs as Macs and Windows computers as PCs and I think that alone is the only reason why 'Mac' vs 'PC' still exists
- disillusioned, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Perhaps Apple has just always had it in their heads that they would remain on the fringe, a boutique provider to the uber-snobby, who wish to join the Cult of the 2.4%. It's a nice enough idea. Keep supply low, prices high and attitudes and egos higher, and watch what happens. Thank God I'm not forced to purchase software built by a company who thinks they are God's gift to Himself.
- trevorsm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@Tux42
The last computer crash (ie, had to force reboot) I had was in Linux (due to wonky graphics card drivers). In my experience, all of the operating systems have been getting more and more stable, even Windows; it's been a long time since I've had Windows crash on me. - XxUNDEROATHxX, on 10/12/2007, -17/+25Id like to see MS make commercials combatting the current apple ads with things like unreadability, gaming, software availability, etc...
- jpt62089, on 10/12/2007, -10/+16You do realize that Macs are technically PCs too? PC stands for Personal Computer. I don't see anything about Microsoft or Windows in there ;)
- FuzzyNaval, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8As past comments have stated, a pretty simple read: Bill Gates, and Microsoft, correctly predicted the market, focused, and reaped the benefits.
Yes, I also hate those commercials, but Apple is still alive and kicking. - ogletree, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8If Mac had just made their OS to work on IBM's they would be MS today or at least MS and Apple would have equal shares. They would be like Coke and Pepsi. The people at Apple have never understood business.
- vtwin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I don't think that there was any Apple code in NT4.
But Windows 1.0 on the other hand contained similar structures to Mac OS of 1984 and even some of the exact same labels for some APIs/ code structure.
Here's why:
Microsoft created the GUI versions of Word and Excel on the Mac first, starting around 1983 on pre-release Macs they had the privilege to access. That was before/while they created Windows.
When creating Word and Excel they were facing a problem: obviously Microsoft wanted to have a DOS/Windows x86 version of Word and Excel too but Windows itself was almost non-existant at this point in time. If they built Windows in a way that was too different from the Mac OS, it would have been harder to port those apps back to their own platform.
Windows was only being born, so instead of creating/inventing their own Application Programming Interfaces, MS decided to reverse engineer the main Mac OS APIs, using Apple's own developer documentation that MS insisted to have early.
By doing that, porting Word and Excel to the x86 platform from the Mac became easier, and it gave them a cheap way to build an GUI OS without to have to create their own original GUI APIs. - fungifred, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I'm sick of this mentality of ...
"Now that Macs can run windows, they are actualy good for something"
Anyone that runs around thinking that Mac's can't do anything and people still buy them is an idiot. Do you really think that we are so hindered by our computers not being able to run the 30-40 thousand programs that are avalible for windows when even the most heavily loaded system only has like 100 programs.
Sure there are fewer programs avalible for OS X but they are higher quality and if they are not free, they are generaly worth the money.
Serriously, look around we get just as much if not more done on OS X than the windows comunity does, being able to boot windows does us no good. - Barlo_Mung, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8So you are saying that there was Apple code in NT4 that was stolen? Point to it please. what did it do?
Not saying you are laying. just think you're talking out yer arse. - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8well Microsoft definitely has the bigger penis, they just don't know what to do with it.
While Apple is smaller, but sure knows how to please the ladies. - DrBones, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5fungifred clearly you do not work in any case kind of enterprise computing environment. Macs can accomplish everything a PC can for a basic user, and sometimes more for a content creator type.
When it comes to business productivity, software development, databases, etc, windows is clearly the leader. The two operating systems have different purposes, so for some the belief that a mac must run windows to be useful is quite true.
Also, your statement that OSX apps are higher quality is absurd. Some windows apps are crap, as are some mac ones. Period. - TGMD, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6No What the people at apple had in their heads was that their products were so good that people were willing to buy them, no matter the price. And partly they were right, they created some pretty innovative products (relatively speaking) but they failed to see the problem with trying to keep everything under their control and by keeping it closed. By keeping it closed they kept their prices up and they limited ability to innovate (hardware wise, apple has always been a good software innovator) and thus would have less of a comparitive advantage when it came to a price. Imagine you were buying a PC in the mid-80's You could buy an Apple mac with a really cool looking UI but no too much software or cross-platform support for $2000 or a standard pc for half the price with better hardware with a stronger more open software support (because it was a standard the entire industry used)
What killed apple is hubris clear and simple. they thought their products were so good that they would set the standard rather than the consumers (industry) - mywhitenoise, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4yeah, I know what PC stands for. I own an iMac PPC.
the thing is most people refer to computers outside of Macs as "PCs", and I didn't want to write "Windows PC" because a lot (well enough) people use Linux as well. - starmanjones, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9its simpler than that. they had it in there heads to make the best possible computer and make it so anyone could use it. it was always about insanely great. MS people like to think that MS has always been the industry leader. but the truth is that its aways been apple. and the computers they built were and are the best on the market. there is no cult. just satisfied customers.
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6To all the pompus idiots above. We all know a Mac is a PC, it is just a simple way to make the differentiation. You could argue for Wintel, but that applies to Macs too.
A Mac = an Apple computer, a PC = those other computers that run Windows and don't bear the Apple badge.
Stop being so jumped up. Everybody knows what is meant by PC. - trevorsm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@XxUNDEROATHxX
On paper? - brydude, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@deanlowe
I'd hit that 3 times - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6he didn't predict, he *was the future
- foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"who wish to join the Cult of the 2.4%."
Goes in my quote book- - benitojuarez, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Mac certainly has bigger fanboys than bill gates, namely the submitter of this article and the writer of this article.....gates did this 21 YEARS AGO FFS. Things were a lot different back then. Please stop grasping at straws.
And for the record, back then AmigaOS kicked Macs ass. Deal with it. - Photar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So, what we need is an age range, with a lower bound around 20.
- monergism, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Doubtful. Different business philosophies and models.
- kenthorvath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm glad it never happened. If OS 9 were the standard, I think it would have been harder to may such a radical architecture shift to something like OS X, which is oh so much better. Then there's also the side affect that there would be a lot more unsavory software targeted at the Mac platform. Even scarier, it may have turned Apple into a software only company, and I don't think I'll ever be able to get myself to buy a non-Apple piece of computer hardware again.
Yeah, I've joined the cult. - zpok, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Jobs had no say in the whole Mac licensing saga. Scully, the guy who ousted Jobs, was at the helm then. And has a year or so ago said that his biggest mistake was not to license the Mac. Not sure he was right though.
BTW all this "macs suck" "windows sucks" posturing was annoying in the eighties and nineties. It really really is old now. Get a grip or at least keep your gripes to yourself. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"So you're saying that we would get another Steve Balmer?"
I, for one, Welcome our new Ballmer overlord.
..Maybe he'll finally run Microsoft into the ground like he's been trying to since Gates left the CEO position. - Mag1KaL, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4
"If it fails we get a person with no vision and no leadership. No big deal."
So you're saying that we would get another Steve Balmer? - Zorkon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4... NORTEL ... ?!
Fer cryin' out loud Bill, they made phone system PBXs back then. I know, I worked for them. I can only imagine what kind of Mac Northern Telecom would have tried to build. You think Apple was charging alot?
(I still laugh when I think about how a Nortel rep tried to get me to buy a 20 MB hard drive for one of their PBXs for $12,000 in 1996) - ScottTheRobot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3generally though, the need for the average user to have windows is grossly over-exaggerated.
the average user has more need for a computer that is intuitive to use and lets them do what they want it to do easily (and by an intuitive interface by no means do i mean a patronizingly simplified or impotent interface) os x really is built a lot smarter -- the computer savvy and ignorant would agree. - foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Well. an age "limit" would keep old people out. You need a minumum age
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"those that think apple is a failing business because windows dominates the os world don't understand business"
I agree, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Being No.1 doesn't make a business successful. It's making a profit that makes it successful.
Apple makes a profit, so they are successful. - r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@foolfromhell
"Well. an age "limit" would keep old people out. You need a minumum age"
Actually a limit is a constraint, which means it can be minimum or maximum. - ytrabbit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Pirates of Silicon Valley" 'nuff said
- asmodeus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He's probably talking about it not cutting out the smoothing on fonts at low sizes, when referring to "unreadability". I never had a problem with it though.
- picsectionpleez, on 02/10/2009, -0/+1Failing today? Just doubled iPhone penetration to 9.9%, operating system is still on the upswing and last time I heard Apple turned a larger than expected quarterly profit.
I'm writing this on my IBM Thinkpad, and love Macs and PCs for many different reasons; please get it straight. -
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