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- Oddish, on 07/17/2008, -4/+63"We’re not supposed to discuss actually programming on the iPhone with anybody — even though that would raise the quality of the apps."
What kind of freaky cult are they running over there in Cupertino? - bigbadboston, on 07/17/2008, -0/+44when the SDK was beta, i could understand the secrecy, but now it's out, and if you paid the $99 to be a developer, there should be forums galore to hash out all the details with your coding comrades.
oh if you knew the ***** i've had to go through, and haven't even been able to post an app yet. - leontes, on 07/17/2008, -1/+29Apple seriously needs to hire 6(x) people more to work on this application approval process, where x is the current number working... This will get old seriously soon, if individuals cannot update their own files quickly, to quash bugs, etc.
- flickr, on 07/17/2008, -0/+26I agree. I'm the developer behind an app that got a particularly rough (read: buggy) start and have been waiting almost a week to get a better build through. Until Apple passes it - I'm (rightly) getting hammered to pieces in my customer reviews without a way of helping my customers enjoy my app nor being able to letting them know a new version is on the way.
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -2/+22You know, I think Apple has some problems with their development strategy with the iPhone, but this article was poorly written. It's basically a, hey, Apple is really, really secretive, so let's ask some developers really loaded ***** questions and see what they say.
I mean, COME ON, his first question is: "What’s been the hardest part about developing for the iPhone. The platform itself, or the super-secret approach of Apple?"
You don't provide the ***** answer you're after in the phrasing of the question. Jesus Christ! Could Wired be even more transparent in creating their link bait? - idavidtang, on 07/17/2008, -5/+21The Steve Jobs cult.
No Homers allowed. - nakile, on 07/18/2008, -2/+15Let's say Apple makes it so that no approval is needed to update apps. Then some jerk developer puts some malware into an app update, then people complain and blame Apple for not reviewing apps before they're published.
What would you rather have? - EvilJelloMan, on 07/17/2008, -2/+15This one pisses me off too. I've started writing iphone apps, and I will only publish them through installer.app. I'm not waiting around for some guy in cupertino to give my software his blessing when I discover a critical bug and fix it. I'm anxiously awaiting the dev team's jailbreak, which should be out any day now.
Aurora Feint, hands-down the best game on the iphone, has had an update ready for a couple of days now, and they've been able to push it out due to Apple douchiness. - flickr, on 07/18/2008, -0/+10I absolutely agree with what you are saying, CBanga. That said, besides myself I had no one I was allowed to let test it. As much as it was honestly a rush for the finish, being able to let all my friends run my app for a day or two would have ironed out -all- of the kinks. Live an learn I guess.
By the way... all of us selling on the App Store are aiming for a profit I think. ;-) - icurnvs, on 07/17/2008, -2/+12No, but Apple is taking away a crucial part of the application development process. They're making them program with one hand tied behind their backs.
- teh_techie, on 07/17/2008, -4/+14Why did you need to explain what 6 times the workers means? Of course 6 times the workers means 6 times the current number of workers.
Man - diggers aren't completely stupid. Just mind-numb. - foresmac, on 07/18/2008, -1/+9I think Apple is doing the best they can to walk a fine line here. Most digg users are tech savvy and are willing to accept that some software will break. But a lot of iPhone purchasers want a phone that works. Apple definitely needs to step up the approval process for developers and for updates both. And they really need to lift the NDA on the SDK at this point. There are downsides to Apple's approach to the App Store, yes. But to ignore the merits of their approach to the non-techy end consumer is unfair.
- Protoss, on 07/18/2008, -1/+7Word has it Google is being very secretive with the developers about Android, not giving them access to new versions of the SDK and whatnot. I'd love android too, but it seems they've dropped the ball.
- abhiroop, on 07/18/2008, -3/+8I think people are missing an important point here. Its amazing that people are stupid enough to believe that apple is bullet-proof while at the same time berating its policies about third-party apps.
HOW DO YOU THINK ITS BULLET-PROOF!!!??? If any developer can make a change (and lets say put in a trojan), the foundation of security that apple has built will be gone. I'm certainly no expert on security and such, but it seems clear to me that what apple wants is a locked down system, that "JUST WORKS" for the end-user. Personally I wouldn't want a device where everything is set in stone like that, but I can see the benefit of having ONLY quality apps and not having to trudge through a gamut of useless ones. In Windows there are so many apps to do the SAME thing yet its often very difficult to find a good one. In mac most of them are always made with a lot of polish (even though the selection is much smaller). - inactive, on 07/17/2008, -3/+8MS is very good to DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS
- WiseWeasel, on 07/18/2008, -2/+7I'll take the freedom to install non-Apple-approved apps. I'll blame the developer when their app breaks my phone, and I'll trust the user community to police developers a lot more than I'd trust Apple to be able to actually check every app for integrity. If a smart developer wants to deliver malware through the App Store, Apple is not going to catch it before it's too late anyways.
- Huzsar, on 07/18/2008, -4/+9I never had an Apple computer, I liked my computer games to much to get one, but I liked Apples business practices like their dedicated support, and the quality of their products, thou not everything, their lock on hardware software integration, which I do not like but I understand from business standpoint.
But I am seeing this trend that with greater success Apple is growing, and with that growth they begin to remind me of bad parts of Microsoft. Apple has this need to control everything and while it works while they are small, as they get bigger they will get more bureaucratic, and because of it more sloppy with their practices, like Microsoft. Cutting more and more corners for more profit which Jobs might hold of while he is running the show but he will eventually have to leave. One of his successors will eventually succumb to the bureaucracy of business especially as it gets bigger, if it isn't Jobs himself.
I wonder will Apple fans see the death of the company they hold dear, not from the financial perspective but from the philosophical one, when Apple is just another monopolistic company? Then again maybe Jobs good ideas will live trough his successors and Apple will continue how it is (was?), I just don't think it will happen like that, seeing how things are going now. Fans wish for Apple's greater success, but maybe they should be careful what they wish for. - WiseWeasel, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5They could mitigate that by burying an option somewhere in the iPhone's settings to accept untrusted software (off by default), with a spooky warning to scare off the noobs. There could even be a button combo to boot the iPhone with only trusted software loaded in case of problems...
- mediaphile, on 07/18/2008, -0/+5leontes must have written that post from his iphone during geometry class.
- Oddish, on 07/18/2008, -2/+7My intent was not to max out the originality-meter. *****.
- Nimsim, on 07/18/2008, -1/+6I just love the comments section on digg, ***** the articles. Thanks Oddish
- sonicbliss, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5Yeah you'd be surprised for e.g. how many girls have an iPhone, my gf doesnt, but she sure as hell would not be using installer app or checking dev websites- its a chore getting most people to even update their PC's software unless its automatic, thats why companies do it. My bro's the same way cannot be f*cked (but of course im called to help when things mess up). Most people just want to get things done not mess with updates.
- crowbar77, on 07/17/2008, -2/+6Yeah because it makes sense for apple fanboys to digg something thats negative about the iphone.
/sarcasm - FDDIcent, on 07/17/2008, -4/+8the Cult of Mac
http://www.cultofmac.com - codylee270, on 07/18/2008, -2/+6Even Apple's own Remote.app has crashed my iPhone into a reboot. Seriously, now...
- sonicbliss, on 07/18/2008, -0/+4Not saying 2 in 10 is acceptable, but the iphone and app store launched last week, early adopters bound to hve troubles. Its a massive roll out they are sold out everywhere cut them some slack they will be back on top of things soon. They rolled out Mobile Me and other services last week also. That said though I do think apple need to hire more staff now they are going fully multinational with things.
- flickmaster, on 07/18/2008, -1/+5Somehow I think that has nothing to do with Apple needing to hand check every update...
- Shugii, on 07/17/2008, -3/+6Wow no one saw this coming...
- EtherGnat, on 07/18/2008, -3/+6Given the choice between a tightly regulated monopoly and an open market I'll choose the latter every time. Sure there are risks, but people who right bad software will quickly find themselves marginalized. Word travels fast these days. A tightly controlled market might provide a more consistent experience, but at a higher cost and more importantly it stifles innovation.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3Yes because they were unable to try it out on their own with the App store.
- EtherGnat, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3abhiroop: "Thats the dev's fault for releasing apps that don't work, of course apple can't test EVERYTHING."
Apple damn well better if they're charging you 30% for them to pick and choose which apps can installed on your phone. Especially when they're actively preventing developers from having access to the things they need to adequately test their software themselves.
"but I can see the benefit of having ONLY quality apps and not having to trudge through a gamut of useless ones."
You haven't checked out the App Store, have you? ;) - maxlightz, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3the facebook app doesn't even have the wall feature ... it's garbage so i still use the safari based site for the iphone
- Stalks, on 07/18/2008, -2/+5"many of them were buggy"
How does that contribute to the "Just Works" strategy? - WiseWeasel, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3When Apple gets too belligerent without offering enough advantage, then someone else will come along and start taking their pie. It's still a good thing that Apple is breaking Microsoft's hegemony on OSs, since that encourages the development of platform-agnostic software and services, which allows other platforms to more easily break into the market. With a 100% Windows share, all developers and service providers make Windows-native solutions, and someone like a Linux-based platform vendor cannot break into the market. With a 90% Windows share, 8% Macs and 2% Linux (for example), you start seeing a lot more web-based solutions rather than platform-specific, and increased coding to cross-platform standards and APIs. If we were to see Windows drop below 70-80%, then the market is wide open for anyone to bring a new OS platform to the market, and the bulk of the products and services people are interested in will already be cross-platform, and will likely be able to work with the new offering.
Even if Apple acts no better than Microsoft, the fact that a single vendor no longer controls the entire computer market means that service providers and software developers must heed cross-platform open standards, and this benefits any small players trying to break into the market, including Linux. - jebudas, on 07/18/2008, -0/+3What's Vista? ;)
- epadafunk, on 07/17/2008, -12/+14If I wrote software, I wouldn't want to do it with these guys, sounds like a horrible experience.
- samimnot, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3Personally, I like that Apple takes its time and goes over all the apps. in its store. As it is, a lot of iPhone apps. are buggy and developers initiating some rather devious practices (as per: getting their apps. moved up in the ratings). If it was left up to the individual developers to "regulate" themselves, no doubt malware would be all over the store by now. Checks and balances...don't like it / develop for some other format, and quit complaining.
- Oddish, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2Preventing developers from sharing thoughts and code will certainly not contribute to any bullet proofing.
- majortom1981, on 07/17/2008, -0/+2Yeah its annoying since the bug that its supposed to fix is a game breaking one ( you can use any items).
- windohs, on 07/18/2008, -1/+3I believe a loud DOH! is in order..
- sonicbliss, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2LOL!! Just saw that the other day watched about 50 times and p!ssed myself every single time! He's deranged- imagine him gettin laid!
Ca-rayzee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc&feature ... - Tenoq, on 07/18/2008, -2/+4Wi-Fi-enabled cellphone... yeah, the developer might be marginalised, but his self-propagating virus has just scored an epic win.
- judicar, on 07/18/2008, -4/+6worst attempt at smiling ever
- justananomaly, on 07/17/2008, -2/+4I bet you're the same person blaming MS about Vista not having drivers still to this day.
- inactive, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2Now that the iPhone 2.0 software is out, I'm sure there is less secrecy.
I'll take the buggy apps over malicious code. Think about how many ***** would try to get their malicious apps on the iPhone on launch and how many people would fall for it. Why bitch about Apple's need to check the code, they are doing it at their own expense besides the $99 initial development fee.
And why again are they blaming Apple for writing ***** code? The documentation was online for free, what more can you want? There are jailbreak apps that are better than the garbage that developers are throwing on the iPhone. How can individual hackers make better apps than legitimate software houses? Maybe it's because they know what they are doing and aren't trying to cash in.
The intuitive update system for the apps means that this is really a non issue. - CountBrass, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2That's nothing: Mobile Safari crashes on me all the time. And nope I've done nothing to hack my iPhone 3G.
- CountBrass, on 07/18/2008, -0/+2That's nothing. Mobile Safari regularly crashes on me.
- deadbaby, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1"We’re not supposed to discuss actually programming on the iPhone with anybody "
Says who? Apple released the SDK itself, documentation and even how-to videos on iTunes months ago. There are various forums on the Internet with hundred+ page long SDK discussion threads. - bradleyland, on 07/18/2008, -0/+1There's a time to support companies you like, and there's a time to provide constructive criticism. The level of quality I've seen so far is not what it should be, IMO. I've owned a few smartphones, and the performance of the product available through the app store is passable something I came to expect from prior platforms. Apple raised the bar, then they dropped the ball, IMO.
A development cycle where programmers are unable to talk to and get feedback from a userbase is just asinine. Apple should have known better. - mrsteveman1, on 07/18/2008, -1/+2If Microsoft tried to do this with Windows people would be lining up to punch Balmer in the face the next day, and they would likely get sued and hit with some anti-trust stuff at the same time.
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