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- WestonP, on 09/26/2008, -5/+114I'm looking forward to v2.2, whatever that may bring, but this article doesn't have any real information... just a small amount of speculation, and that's it.
- martian67, on 09/27/2008, -14/+114im sorry but how the ***** do you reinvent copy and paste?
- chrillen, on 09/27/2008, -11/+87Reinventing. Right.
- phoomp, on 09/27/2008, -6/+67Step 1: Wait so long to implement it, causing people to forget how it worked.
Step 2: Introduce iCopy & iPaste as revolutionary new concepts.
Step 3: Accuse Microsoft of copying the idea. - doctordbx, on 09/27/2008, -5/+54***** hell, that's the funniest ***** thing I've heard all day.
"Reinventing" - you need to be a serious Kool Aid addict to believe that one, perhaps permanently affected by the RDF.
Look, it copies... and pastes! but we call it clip and crap! - AzzX, on 09/27/2008, -19/+66Sounds like another Apple fanboy cop-out. Cut and Paste exists because it works - If Apple cannot implement it in its simplest form, then something is seriously wrong with that company. It does not get any simpler than that... OK.
- nowsourcing, on 09/26/2008, -4/+512 buttons you say? wowza.
- tboutcher, on 09/26/2008, -24/+60The jail broken iphone has system wide copy and paste. Its not hard. My theory is apple will take 25 years to add Copy & Paste. Just like the two button mouse.
- ModeSeven, on 09/27/2008, -9/+40Where are all of these supposed apple fanboys? Seriously, every time an apple related article hits the front page I see nothing but comment after comment directing hate towards these people. The anti-apple brigade must outnumber the fanboys ten to one if this website is any indication.
- kaynesan, on 09/27/2008, -0/+31Description reads like that a new way of copy & paste is kinda confirmed (leaked out) by Apple, but it's actually just pure speculation and wishful thinking from the author. There's no hint in 2.2 beta yet. Lame.
- hodgenator, on 09/27/2008, -0/+25Flash for safari would be great
- WomensUnderwear, on 09/27/2008, -6/+29they will add copy paste over jobs dead body. so, by the end of q4.
- NecroSexy, on 09/27/2008, -2/+19Possible cut & paste? What year is this?
- ZernanToledo, on 09/27/2008, -1/+15Erm, possible cut & paste? This is complete speculation, he may as well say that its bringing video while you'e at it. Not an iota of fact here people, move along.
Burried. Sheesh. - gotjpeg, on 09/27/2008, -2/+15By making it a trendy and cool way to do it.
- inactive, on 09/27/2008, -4/+17They will release two applications called iCopy and iPaste and they will both cost $10 in the App store. Steve Jobs will say "This is the most fun you will ever have copying and pasting. We have revolutionized the process to bring you a truly immersive experience."
- BrendanSheehan, on 09/27/2008, -0/+12Flash is a hungry resource hog, I don't want it on my phone. I would love copy & paste and a much better camera however, with a "flash" while I'm dreaming.
I rarely, rarely, rarely have the need for copy & paste on my iPhone, but when I do it sucks. It needs to be added for when you do, which is rare, but you will. - skabyss, on 09/27/2008, -1/+12we drove them out of town with pitchforks and torches
- ywwg, on 09/27/2008, -4/+14Maybe they're reinventing cut and paste the way they reinvented "background processes": by ***** it up and implementing an ugly hack instead of doing it the right way.
- frontporsche, on 09/27/2008, -2/+12if by "PC" you mean Microsoft, I don't think they even had a mouse driver until 1985.
- kefkaantakrist, on 09/27/2008, -0/+8That's what he was referring to - the Mighty Mouse was Apple's first multi-button mouse and it was released in 2005, 22 years after they released their first mouse with the Lisa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Mighty_Mouse
Of course, at least in recent history, you could buy (just about) any two-button (USB or Bluetooth) mouse and it would work with the mac. - mikewill7seven, on 09/26/2008, -6/+14Wouldn't it be easier to search from the title bar? Why to boxes hogging up more screen real estate?
- kreatre2007, on 09/27/2008, -0/+8It would be nice to have a Safari redesign and cut and paste would be nice. What I've been wanting since the iPhone debuted is the ability to view and compose email in landscape mode. The keys are further apart so, it's much easier to type in landscape. I've sent in this suggestion many times but, I guess no one at Apple cares for that idea. Oh well... I'll just keep sending the suggestion.
- chazuk, on 09/27/2008, -3/+11Just wait for the iWheel.
Normal wheels will suck once that comes out! - Astheria, on 09/27/2008, -4/+11To those guffawing at 'reinventing cut and paste', here's a bit of info:
While whatever Apple comes up will indeed, copy something to ye' old invisible clipboard, and allow you to paste it somewhere else, what they're reinventing is HOW you do that. The iPhone doesn't have a right click button, hell it doesn't even have buttons or a mouse. Because of this, and because of Apple's reputation as having an excellent user experience department, they want to get the interaction right the first time.
Should you point and hold your finger down and wait for a menu? Makes sense, but that's how you move the cursor already, and it doesn't highlight anything. Should there be a multitouch gesture to call up a menu? If so, how do you select the text you want to copy? And so on. They don't want to mess up and have to change this in the future after people adapt to it, even if it's a poor method.
The functionality of copy and paste is dead simple to add, but getting it right is why it's taking so long. But then again, it's cool to hate Apple now-a-days on Digg now isn't it? - cmiller1, on 09/27/2008, -5/+11I wish I could digg you up a million times
- InorganicMatter, on 09/27/2008, -3/+9Good luck. I got tired after a year and a half of waiting. Got my iPhone, and 2.1 has treated me great.
The iPhone isn't by any means perfect, but it's still head and shoulders above everything else currently available or on the horizon. - jwdav, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6Single point: "unintuitive keyboard shortcuts that go against the entire industry standard"
Apple built the first OS's to use standardised keyboard shortcuts and enforce them across not only the OS, but all applications. You must not remember when every PC app had a different key command for the same function.
Command Z,X,C,V originated on the Mac.
Plus, the control key had an established behavior in Unix platforms for years before Windows, lacking a Command key (aka "Windows" key), chose to use the Control Key as the primary modifier. - dustinmacdonald, on 09/27/2008, -0/+6"Safari is a joke as bad as IE"
Right. You have no idea what you're talking about. - MacHarborGuy, on 09/27/2008, -1/+7AndrewWiggin: I tend to get MMS from friends, and being able to take pictures of items that friends or family members are looking for that I happen to find at a garage sale for cheap is always helpful.
the current MMS implementation on the iPhone which amounts to getting an SMS with a random garbled up username and password just plain sucks. - gelatina1996, on 09/27/2008, -4/+9They patented page up and page down... makes sense.
- mizike, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5Agreed; they could easily slap copy/paste on that thing if they wanted. They are waiting to implement it in a way that it consistent with their overall UI and goals for the platform. What most people forget is that apple is in this for the long term, whatever copy/paste solution they come up with, they will likely have to live with for the indefinite future. The UI interface they implemented for copy / paste on the original mac has not changed since, in fact everyone who uses OS X or Windows uses the copy / paste solution developed on the original mac, right down to the shortcut keys. Also not implementing copy / paste has further implications, the main one being it forces the UI developers not to be lazy and to develop robust solutions that don't rely on the user having to copy and paste text all over the place.
The reason android was able to implement copy / paste so easily is that they have no coherent UI goals for the platform. Their UI is a mish-mash of different ideas and themes which vary wildly between programs and contexts; adding copy / paste is an easy and inelegant way to transfer data between different programs. Apple's route was to implement solutions that try to predict when you will want to copy text, and have the system streamline it for you. They'll add copy / paste when they're ready. - godofallcows, on 09/27/2008, -1/+6@AndrewWiggin
Because you pay 30 dollars a month for the unlimited MULTIMEDIA package. - waydee, on 09/27/2008, -7/+12Just so they can release it next year and call it iPhoto messaging or some *****.
Apple basically decided that a feature every other manufacturer includes as standard had no place in their product. Being Apple they can effectively get away with these sorts of moves because they know the hardcore fanbase will defend such decisions regardless of if they make sense or not.
This is a company that released a 'smartphone' in 2006 with no 3g connectivity, no gps, not even the most basic of productivity features, no bluetooth file transfer, a camera that rivals the very first generation of mobile phone cameras, no removable battery and locked down software.
Only a few of these issues were addressed with the next generation, Apple clearly think they are in a position to redefine what a smartphone should be able to do. - celebi23, on 09/27/2008, -2/+7Ok, I'll admit that I'm an Apple fanboy sometimes but this article was pure fanboyish wanking. Buried
- BrendanSheehan, on 09/27/2008, -0/+5Your points are always pointed out by people who prefer Windows, and that's your decision. Though as a Mac user who used to be a PC user I could spend hours telling you what the Mac does better than Windows. Your points are valid, mostly, but that argument works both ways.
As for the one button mouse? How old is this Mac? And as for the cursor speed: Mouse tracking speed in System Preferences can be used. I myself use a 9 button logitech MX Revolution with my Mac. Yeah, non-Apple peripherals work with Macs - shocked?
P.S. If this is a newer Mac that mouse that looks like it has one button actually has 5, two of them are hidden touch sensitive panels under the shell for left and right click. Two others are the sides, and the 5th is a press of the ball. And yes, the Mighty Mouse sucks. - waydee, on 09/27/2008, -3/+8yeah.
- emaf37, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4I hope they include horizontal texting. This is long overdue.
- inactive, on 09/27/2008, -1/+5For some reason there is a lot of people on Digg who say MMS is old and outdated. The truth is that it is an easy way to send photos to your friends. All of my friends have MMS and use it, but very few have email, or even phones that can send emails. Also, most people I know generally use emails for formal and professional purposes and not for friendly conversation between eachother. I'm still not sure why the iPhone doesn't have MMS, maybe Apple will come to their senses sooner or later. On the other hand, maybe email is so amazing that Apple will do away with SMS too! How revolutionary!
@waydee: ahaha you give me hope that there are still some sane people left on Digg. - Betrayal, on 09/27/2008, -3/+7No likey. It's a step backwards. I thought apple was about simplifying. Why the need to cram in the google-search bar next to the url field when it previously was very well thought out the way it is now.
- jweatherley, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4'"gee, I sure wish I could copy this text from Safari and paste it into the reply box."
I would like Copy and Paste. It would be a start if I could copy some text from Safari back into Safari. - AndrewWiggin, on 09/27/2008, -7/+11Who wants to MMS anyway? It costs something like 50 cents per message, and since you have an iPhone, you can email pictures to people. Sure it can't hurt to have it, but I never did it before and never would do it now anyway.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4I hope that Safari gets fixed. The only remaining gripe I have about my iPhone is Safari's stability. Webpages with a lot of content tend to crash it.
- sassy343, on 09/27/2008, -2/+6I think you should really reconsider your statement on how apple treats its developers. You just hear about the few cases were an app gets rejected.
They are actually very supportive of there developers and will help them to all ends, as long as you stay within the rules. There are a million apps to make that will get on the store, but only a hand full that wont, so why can't people just stay away from the handful of things that will get rejected.
If apple treated its developers so bad, then no one would be able to make $250k off an app in 2 months.
And there will be no iPhone killers. Just look at the iPod. How many supposed killers came out, and what is the #1 MP3 player still?
Actually there will be an iPhone killer. The 3rd gen iPhone. - subliminalurge, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4Just out of curiosity, why on Earth would you want a smartphone without a data plan?
- Bandersong, on 09/27/2008, -0/+4They dont want to waste resources on it. Theres more important things they should be doing LIKE STABILIZING ***** SAFARI.
OHH LOOOK AT ME, IM APPLE, SAFARI ON IPHONE IS SO ***** STABLES GUYS!!
*uses Safari Mobile*
*opens paypal*
*phone explodes in hand* - jwdav, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3Not to mention that implementing it requires changes to the security model to allow one application to write into another applications space, plus, how to handle the multitasking involved.
You're in Safari and want to copy some text into another app - do you copy, suspend Safari, choose what app to launch, paste, close that app and then re-open Safari?
It seems to me that the goal is to develop context aware copy/paste rather than trying to emulate what passes for copy/paste on a multi-windowed OS. - CarzorStelatis, on 09/27/2008, -0/+3@AndrewWiggin:
People in Europe want to MMS... a lot. In all seriousness, that's one of the reasons the iPhone hasn't done quite as well here as it has in the States. 3G is near-ubiquitous here (well, more consistently available than in the US anyway) and people send lots of picture messages. - dfsjdkflasjk, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Apple: 2 buttons are just too many buttons to use for the average idiot.
- robzthird, on 09/27/2008, -1/+4Or maybe just no one gives a ***** anymore.
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