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- LilyFoxglove, on 10/28/2007, -10/+125Camino is Firefox without extensions, and Firefox without extensions is bad on any OS.
- samadam, on 10/12/2007, -9/+90we call that Camino.
- ElectricSoup, on 10/12/2007, -9/+55Drop the cross-platform nonsense and the awful XUL and code it in Objective-C and Cocoa using OS X's native Aqua interface ... oh, wait, then it wouldn't _be_ Firefox.
- darkphan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39Fix the font rendering issues.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37They could start by fixing memory leak bugs. Then they could improve Javascript and page rendering speeds so that it can compete with the sheer speed of Opera. Then fix CSS rendering so that it passes the ACID2 test like Safari and Opera.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Make the menus generate from the OS. The margin and line heights are all completely wrong
- d777wl, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Make it faster. Done. I'm tired of using safari and opera for everything else and having to open that slow beast just to go to stumbleupon.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23Perhaps we could always use a computer by Dell, that's just soooo much more appealing to the eye
/sarcasm
Get a life and go run Windows Update. - iFungus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Sorry, when was safari insecure?
Time to go back to Internet Explorer 5 - airphloo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18As someone who uses FF on my Mac but has no idea about the technical merits of doing so, may I ask someone to please explain why you can't just make Camino accept FF extensions and get the best of both worlds? I assume that there is some fundamental reason that prevents this or it would have been done already.
- eschompthis, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26i agree firefox is very unstable on osx, Safari seems to be the better of them all under Mac
- unit101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Safari insecure? If you're referring to the CanSecWest hack, apparently it works on Firefox too.
- attention, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14they should definately fully develop "bonecho"
bonecho is how firefox on the mac should be. quick and reliable - Ramble, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16If I tried to get people to do that in C# and XAML then people would start calling me an MS lover and rant on about how I'm suppressing FOSS or something.
- hokkos, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15@ramble
False, they plan to put lot of Vista specific thing, and the trip to Redmond isn't for nothing, MS want Firefox to be good on their OS. - DonCarcharo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I'm not sure where to start. I love FireFox on Windows and Linux however on the Mac it's a miserable experience. FF for Mac is sluggish, buggy and generally my least favorite Mac browser since (this may sound a bit extreme here) Internet Explorer. In fact, for me FireFox for Windows via Parallels runs better than the native Mac FireFox.
/Sorry. - Masterbaiter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12But that won't help improve Firefox on Mac.. got any relevant suggestions?
- boyasunder, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15It's amazing how many jackholes will click into a story about macs just to make poorly-informed mac insults.
Don't you people have better things to do while waiting for windows to finish sending its error reports back to MS? - CrazedGeek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+111. Make the default theme more Mac-like.
2. Cocoa widgets.
3. Spotlight bookmark integration. (Is this already in? I think Camino has it)
4. Revamp the download prompt.
5. Faster faster.
6. Make the profile folder system better, i.e. naming specifically.
7. A few Quartz effects would be nice.
If they do at least 2, 4, and 5, I'll switch back to Firefox. In the mean time, Safari it is. - ttfadia, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Ditto on the OmniWeb. Great UI, and incredibly fast. Definitely worth the money.
- kris33, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It often hangs for me, atleast with a lot of tabs open. It is also quite slow on javascript-intense sites like digg.
- emer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9PDF support for Intel macs would be a start
- sidian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11i dont have stability problems at all with firefox. what sites give you problems?
- koick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7One word: add-ons.
This is why actually I don't use Opera or Safari even though they are both faster and feel more polished. I want to have NoScript, Colorzilla, Customize Google, DownThemAll, Forecastfox, gmarks, Nuke Anything, Target Alert, and the awsome Web Developer toolbar. No can do with any of the other offerings and so I put up with the little disadvantages Firefox has. For me, I'd vote speedier and full Acid2 compliance.
Oh, and with Firefox, since I use Linux and Winblows at work, I can have the same 'user experience' no matter which OS I'm using. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Cocca widgets, but that's coming in version 3 =)
- CPops, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I love Firefox and the extensions are certainly helpful, but it has its share of issues on a Mac that prevent me from using it.
Offhand, these are my main 3 issues.
a) Fix the font rendering. Fonts in Safari are always beautiful: in FF not so much. When you spend many hours per day in front of a machine, this is a big issue.
b) FF needs normal cocoa style buttons. The regular buttons are very ugly. In Windows, the buttons blend in.
c) Fix dragging and dropping images from the web. In Safari, you get the helpful little see-through image of what you're dragging. In FF, you just have a little clear box. This is important when you're manipulating so many files per day.
To be honest though, as Mac users we're now lucky to have a number of usable options: Safari, Firefox, Opera, Camino, OmniWeb, Shiira, etc. - drzeus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7One thing I miss from Windows is the ability to open a new browser window just by clicking the icon in my Quick Launch bar. If I could click the dock icon for a new window, that would be awesome. It probably goes against the interface guidelines or something, though.
Also, is it me or does the Mac Firefox fail to provide an option to automatically clear a download from the Downloads window when it finishes? It seems weird that this option would be missing. - DanielNielsen, on 10/12/2007, -8/+14Lay off the the crack retard. Unlike you i understand why people would want a nice clean looking Mac instead of a ugly lump of a ***** looking pc.
- drzeus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Seconded. That was the first strange bug I noticed when I got my new Mac. It makes things feel highly unfinished.
- Masterbaiter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Buried not because of fanboy reference, but because your comment is off topic.
- eangel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I don't understand why all these 11 year old pre-pubescent girls have to view a story specifically regarding a Mac application and spout off "OMG Mac SuXorZ!!! PC RULZ!!"... Can't they just get back to playing peek and poke in the shower with their dolly?
- defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I don't know about you, but the form inputs and buttons are one of the only things keeping from using firefox on OS X. They look pre-windows 3.1!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Actually, there a few add-ons for Camino: www.pimpmycamino.com While there's not nearly as many for it as their are for Firefox, it has all of the ones I personally need.
- alon99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5When I use Firefox on my Intel Macbook (Core Duo, 2GB RAM) it always slows to a crawl whenever I download something. When I click on a link to download a 10MB file, it will stay on the "where do you want to save this file?" box for 15 seconds after I click OK. If I set it to automatically save to a directory, it just hangs for those same fifteen seconds. The entire browser is frozen while it starts to DL the file.
If there's any way to fix this, I'd appreciate someone posting it! When I download in Safari, that doesn't happen. One second later the file is going, and I can get back to my browsing. In fact, I'd use safari full-time if there was some way to make the find (within the current page) as good as Firefox. I can't stand to have that floating window that always gets lost. It should be at the bottom as it is in FF. - norbiu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"One thing I miss from Windows is the ability to open a new browser window just by clicking the icon in my Quick Launch bar. If I could click the dock icon for a new window, that would be awesome. It probably goes against the interface guidelines or something, though."
Why not use the keyboard? Cmd - N - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Hands-down, the #1 gripe I have about FF is that it doesn't integrate the system-wide dictionary and thesaurus. In any Cocoa-based apps, you can right click on any word and get the definition for it. FF doesn't do that and I'd love to see it. I have no complaints about FF other than that.
- Rice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Here's what I sent the guy:
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Back before I bought my first mac, I always used Firefox on Windows. But upon making the switch, I found Firefox unusable from an aesthetic standpoint. Yeah, I turned into one of those guys that cares too much about how apps look on the mac.
1. Unified Theme. Make it look as much as Camino as possible in the toolbar.
2. Contextual menus look wrong. Right click on your desktop, then right click in firefox. You'll see that the spacing is different, and it feels wrong.
3. The Prefs. They're ugly. For example, in the Advanced section, there are tabs. Tabs!? Again, Camino does this right.
I'm not just a loyalistic Camino lover though, Firefox's extensions lift it above other browsers... sometimes.
Thanks for the nice blog post.
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By the way, I know it's too much to ask. - Chewie67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Full CSS 1, CSS 2 and CSS 3 support.
- TajJackson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Better color profile support
- norbiu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Firefox hangs from time to time (at least 2-3 times a day) for a few seconds when I open new tabs."
Same here. It hangs ... then it freezes! Good thing we have the restore option. - boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Some of us just don't like Safari. The only time Safari is better than Camino is when accessing some AJAX sites. I used to use Firefox and after getting buried every time I complained that the delete key on Mac Laptops no longer worked as a "back button" I gave up the buggy interface. Years later the backspace button seems to work but its hard to give up Camino... and features like "view source".
- mpeters13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2no you aren't alone :p
- canon66, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2airphloo, Camino doesn't use XUL for the interface (uses Cocoa), since most extensions use that for part of their functionality, they wouldn't work. Camino does have a few extentions though, I have a user agent switcher, a session saver and another that to modify some of the theme elements (UnifyCamino). It also has a pretty decent built in ad blocker but it's not really configurable right now, it's either on or off. The next version looks like it has some more of that stuff built in too (session saving is there, I think the ad blocker is improved as well but I'm not sure).
- grubesteak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Dear Mr. Barrett,
Use Firefox on Windows. Then, use it on a Mac.
Note how the Windows version is vastly superior to the Mac version.
Fix. - generalloy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The shadowing on the right click menus is also different from the menu on the desktop. Same with NeoOffice.
Also, I heartily second the ugly big blue tabs in Firefox Preferences. It's like seeing OS X 10.0 meet 10.4...yuck. - turpenine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6@kevin,
safari is the made by apple for mac solution, firefox is made by not apple, for not osx specifically. think about it for two seconds maybe and you might not have made a stupid comment. - LilyFoxglove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@drzeus
While this isn't Safari specific, UNO (http://gui.interacto.net/) will allow you replace the "brushed metal" look in Safari.
@rubah
Great, but the selection is pitiful when compared to the hundreds available for Firefox. Just as it is for any other browser. - blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Am I the only one for whom Java Applet means systematically a crash? (works fine in Safari)
- Proggie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Colour profile support is a must, especially on a mac where no profile means an sRGB image (the vast majority on the web) don't look correct. At least on windows sRGB is interpreted correctly without a profile.
- Herolint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The problem I have with Firefox is whenever I'm typing more than a short sentence of text. The text starts running over the top of stuff I've already typed and deleted text doesn't go away in the UI. Firefox usually crashes soon after.
So far, I like OmniWeb the best on OS X. You have to pay $15 for it, but it works well and is fast. -
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