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- RobotBuddha, on 12/13/2008, -10/+155Apple's increasing popularity has the potential to do them a lot of harm as well. They got me in with the iphone, and I quickly bought a mac. The longer I use them though, the more I'm just getting annoyed with how they do business.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 12/13/2008, -3/+70Oh, I think Apple knows they can't stop Hackintoshes. It almost feels like they're not doing nearly as much as they could to lock OS X down to their hardware. If it's just people tinkering around and playing with OS X on their own PCs, I don't think they really care. If they really wanted to get malicious, they could probably find a way to shut down the OSX86Project.
However, when it comes to people selling premade Hackintoshes, I think that Apple can and will be able to stop it. - inactive, on 12/13/2008, -11/+74If Apple hardware is as good as Apple and Apple fanboys claims, then they don't have to worry about Apple clones.
- NicoNicoNico, on 12/13/2008, -10/+73They're silly trying to stop others from making Mac-compatible PCs. I love Macs (I own a MBP), but Apple's business sense is annoying at times. Hell, if you know how to build a PC, it's not a huge leap in logic to make a Hackintosh.
- euro22, on 12/17/2008, -5/+49To play devil's advocate.. Apple is primarily a hardware manufacturer. OS X is just a feature. If they let OS X roam wild their computers become a lot less attractive to potential buyers. People won't be paying the premium just for a pretty case when they can get the exact same system for a much cheaper price from another company. They would also lose their "It just works" selling point because they would start running into the same problems that Windows runs into when hardware from different companies doesn't play nice.
- schoate09, on 12/13/2008, -9/+48Don't be a ***** tool, drifter. They assemble the hardware, and manufacture the case. Most people would call HP, Dell, Gateway, Acer, etc. hardware manufacturers.
As for problems with video cards, that happens to other companies, he was referring to when the issue arises that drivers for one thing can conflict with a chipset, or simply installing the OS requires a hunt for drivers.
Quit being an arrogant *****. - DrunkenPirate34, on 12/13/2008, -8/+41Anyone can be like apple. Step 1: Buy & build a good PC. Step 2: Build an OS around that hardware, supporting ONLY that hardware. Step 3: Sell your machine as proprietary.
I don't want to hear any of that Step 4: ????? Step 5: Profit! ***** either. - KaiUno, on 12/13/2008, -20/+51I did. But, at the risk of sounding anti-apple here, anybody who can assemble a pc probably isn't looking to run Mac OS as his primary operating system. It's just too limiting.
- bradleyjx, on 12/13/2008, -4/+34...and get the legions of complaints about incompatible drivers, incompatible hardware, and lawsuits for restricting their software platform. (being a software product provided as a means to purchase their software, they could reasonably say no to software competition on their platform, just like the iPhone/iTouch.
- ranon78, on 12/13/2008, -15/+41Apple should not fight these clones but embrace them. Then they can sell the Mac operating system to a much larger percentage of users. That's what Bill Gates did.
- RetepNamenots, on 12/13/2008, -3/+28Why are you burying his comment? He's right...
- Stevo23, on 12/13/2008, -13/+38Hey guys, I've got an idea: Apple should simply require a DNA sample and retina scan in order to purchase OSX. True Mac lovers would never object to giving over every part of their identity to the One True Brand, and it would keep away all those phonies. This way, every time you went into the Apple store, they could identify you easily and they could make sure nobody is buying too many copies of OSX (to install on other computers!)
- archer75, on 12/13/2008, -0/+24Make a low cost tower and the clones will go away. PC hardware is inexpensive. And Macs ARE PC's. It doesn't have to cost much. I just want something that I can upgrade that won't break the bank.
- Stevo23, on 12/13/2008, -14/+37Apple's business model has always been dependent on making Macs into luxury goods, shiny status symbols. If normal people figure out that Macs are *gasp* just the same as every other Intel-powered x86 computer on the market, and not the only magic silver boxes that can run OSX, it marks the end of Apple's business model. They'd have to compete with other OEMs on prices and features, instead of on social image.
- inactive, on 12/13/2008, -3/+21Yes with a valid cd Key in the windows folder next to the self extracting installer..
- nikki2300dk, on 12/13/2008, -3/+21What's up? Did Apple's marketing department give you a brain transplant or something?
- Rudegar, on 12/13/2008, -4/+20my bet is that apple dont want all type of funky hardware with poor 3th party drivers
to give macOsX a rep for being unstable - kodax, on 12/13/2008, -6/+22I have a Mac Mini, a Mac Pro and a PC build. I can go on about how much better Leopard is to XP but the main reason I like the Macs is the build quality. Just on the exterior. the Mac Pro case is thick insulated aluminum with snug slide in bays for the drives. Even the ports in the back feel like they are part of the chassis. In contrast, I purchased the best case I could find last year for the PC. It has 5 fans, digital thermal reads for the chip, the GPU and motherboard, and a key locked hinged side transparent side panel for easy access. However, it still feels like a plastic toy compared to the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro runs so silently that you can barely tell it is running at all and the Mini is so quiet that you can only tell it is running by the green on light. The PC fan hum is not really that loud but it sounds like a jet plane in comparison. I still cannot fathom why people would use a Windows box as a media center given the noise.
Internationally, Macs are one of the few US products that still carry that high quality panache. More than just a luxury brand as people here like to make it out to be, it is considered better than its competitors in make and function much in the way Americans would consider a BMW a better quality car than...say for example...something out of GM or Chrysler. Its odd that the very same people that are dig up the articles about Detroit sucking because they make inferior cars are turning around and hailing cheap inferior build PCs working class heroes. - RetepNamenots, on 12/13/2008, -1/+17Yes, because sane people are going to pay $599 on an operating system, just so they know in their hearts that they're in Apple's good books.
This comment was Made on a Hackintosh™. - norbiu, on 12/13/2008, -4/+20***** that. why waste time resolving compatibility issues and other ***** brad mentioned above, when they can spend that time enhancing the OS?
- jm9206755, on 12/13/2008, -4/+17If people won't buy Mac hardware at the price it's sold without being forced to by the software, then the price of the hardware is too high. Economics 101.
- rolf, on 12/13/2008, -1/+14Apple doesn't care about that. Play with your hackintosh all you want.
They just don't want clones where normal people see them - in stores. - PhillyMJS, on 12/13/2008, -2/+15Yeah, the clones only nearly killed Apple back in the 90s.... what could possibly go wrong this time???
- steviesteveo, on 12/13/2008, -1/+13The punched aluminium case on the MacPro isn't really comparable to a "PC modder case" with a window in the side. The MacPro deals with heat dissipation with carefully designed pockets of moving air that are pushed by a few fans. Your PC deals with heat dissipation by adding more and more fans, that's why it sounds louder.
There's a lot of thought needed to make a really effective case, it's not just putting screws in the right places. - KSUdesigner, on 12/13/2008, -1/+12And what if I want to buy my nephew a new copy of OSX as a gift? He lives hundreds of miles away so I don't have access to his machine to find out his serial number. That is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.
The real way that Apple can stop these clones is to come up with a lower pricing structure. One of the main reasons people are building or buying a Mac clone is because the real thing is too expensive. Apple needs to pull its head out of its ass and realize that not everybody can afford their products. Maybe they're fine with being a premium brand, but they'll never stop the clones until their own products are accessible to the consumers who are buying the clones. - yetAnotherCroc, on 12/13/2008, -3/+14Clones + confusing productlines consisting of a nonstandard architecture with a ***** OS. (Say whatever you want but Mac OS before X was ***** pure and simple. Manual memory allocation anyone? Cooperative multitasking? OSX made all the difference for apple, that and a focus on aestetics. I think they would be able to compete with clones this time around. Last time around people didn't buy clones. They bought PC's.
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- steviesteveo, on 12/13/2008, -5/+15The trolls are out on digg today by the looks of it.
Can you say comment graveyard - KaiUno, on 12/13/2008, -1/+11Don't you just love a good argument?
- goober1473, on 12/13/2008, -0/+10It's a bit like IBM with the x86, hardware with an OS. Some startup got the chance to run an OS on the hardware and it became a pretty profitable venture. As it turns out drivers work on the whole with a few problems, but it didn't stop the business from growing and the OS being taken up by the vast majority. So why don't Apple want to compete in this market place, if they got just 10% of PC users to pay for OSX where they are unwilling to buy a Mac for the job, it's a significant market.
- drunkenoaf, on 12/13/2008, -11/+20Opportunists will always try and sell pre-built hackintoshes.
Apple have every right to go after them-- if your pension has Apple shares in its portfolio, or they employ you in some way, you'd probably agree that they should. Going ZOMG I should be able to pirate every paid-for OS that's out there and run it on my Dell is fine, if you don't give a *****, or Apple should be cheaper than it is, is fair too-- but I think the kiddies posting these comments are either trolling, or have no idea how business runs, and think that wishing it to be true will make it all better.
Psystar will die, eventually (good luck with your warranty), and someone will replace them. Such is life. - smmakira, on 12/13/2008, -2/+11Been a hack user since 10.4.5.
- hamobu, on 12/13/2008, -0/+9Mo money :)
- jstem1994, on 12/13/2008, -2/+11Forget the Windows vs Apple BS. If I could build/buy/upgrade a Mac for what I can a Windows box, I'd be willing to give it a try. Myself, mostly Photoshop & websurfing, not a big gamer. But for the $$, it's definitely a Windows experience for me.
(And my copy of XP Pro has been very stable for years.) - hamobu, on 12/13/2008, -2/+11People do it because it is forbidden.
- schoate09, on 12/13/2008, -10/+19I agree, I find Mac OS X limiting as well, although very powerful when you delve into the terminal, the GUI with Finder/etc is VERY limiting.
- austin006, on 12/13/2008, -2/+10No, thank you, Apple Salesman.
- exothermic, on 12/13/2008, -0/+8Apple is probably not interested in stopping computer hobbyists from running OS X on their Dell laptops or hardware other than their own. This is free software consulting and I'm sure Apple engineers pay careful attention to the developments. Apple is however, disinterested in having some other company become a parasite and sell Apple's OS and "experience".
I'm not much on the whole "experience" concept, but I can agree with the idea that the instant Apple permits OS X on non-Apple hardware, they've just witnessed OS X becoming a commodity OS. Worse, they've lost control of the user experience because regardless of whatever hardware acceptance policies they may try to enforce, there will always be poorly constructed commodity hardware causing problems.
I'm amused by people who are quick to fire off that Apple has a "monopoly" on OS X. Well of course they do, it's their product. They can do whatever they like with it, including requiring you to buy their hardware in which to run it. Just like Sun, just like SGI, just like Cisco and a host of other hardware manufacturers that grant right-to-use licenses. Plenty of precedent and not a ghost of a chance of any lawsuits against Apple on these grounds making it to the end of a trial. But a lot of chance of Apple responding with a withering array of counter-suits to crush anyone bold enough to try to exploit their property.
Is Apple making a mistake by not permitting clones? Maybe, maybe not, we may never know. But if Apple doesn't do anything to protect their property, it dilutes their brand and does anyone honestly think a company pushing clones is going to be paying careful attention to making sure Apple is paid for each copy of OS X leaving the door? I don't think so, especially when right now they're operating in the gray area of leaving it up to the end user. Maybe the user has a license, maybe they don't; hardly fair regardless of your feelings of Mr. Jobs and crew. - drgmdp, on 12/13/2008, -2/+9hey i have a link for you
http://thepiratebay.org - Stevo23, on 12/13/2008, -3/+10Who said anything about piracy? If I buy a legal copy of OSX, I should be able to run that software on any piece of hardware (within the limits of technical feasibility, of course) I want. EULAs are a joke. It's absurd that you don't actually "own" software you've paid money for.
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YAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHOOOOOOO!!!! - freehunter, on 12/13/2008, -3/+10Exactly, all the people saying "just sell OSX to other PC makers" forget that Apple is a hardware company, not a software company. OSX just compliments their hardware.
- Ph03N1X418, on 12/13/2008, -0/+7mmmm The Forbidden Apple............
- timlump, on 12/13/2008, -1/+7About your pc case, it only feels like a toy because you bought a flashy case, get an antec p182 and then you won't feell like you have a plastic toy.
- MScrip, on 12/13/2008, -1/+7> "One of the main reasons people are building or buying a Mac clone is because the real thing is too expensive."
Who is really building Mac clones? Hackintosh and OSX86 tinkerers wouldn't buy a Mac anyway... it's just a hobby. And real Macs only have 8% of the total computer market. I imagine OSX86 is somewhere near 0.0001%.
Serious Mac-using businesses won't build cheap Mac clones to save money. They will buy real Macs and have true Apple support. It's worth it to them. - selfdestruct, on 12/13/2008, -0/+6don't copy that floppy!
- MattBD, on 12/13/2008, -0/+6That's pretty much what the Eee PC does - I tried installing the recovery image in VirtualBox and that wouldn't boot.
In practice, an OS created by an OEM these days would almost certainly be a Linux distro or based on one of the BSD's - they can take all the pieces off the shelf as it were, compile it all specifically for that hardware, and then all they have to do is customise the GUI. - mos6507, on 12/13/2008, -0/+6Microsoft has done pretty well with that business model.
- inactive, on 12/13/2008, -11/+16OSX is overrated, seriously. I tried it OSx86 and while it was good it isn't as customizable as Linux. It makes sense to use it if you use some big commercial windows app that runs on OSX too but you don't want to use windows. Otherwise Linux is a better choice.
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