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- Veni_Vidi_Vici, on 01/06/2008, -5/+393Anyone else notice the preview picture doesn't match the real one?
- Renton, on 01/06/2008, -16/+254That's a lot of DRM.
- dantidote, on 01/06/2008, -12/+203I dont give a ***** who wins, lets just pick one damn format already!
- Renton, on 01/06/2008, -1/+158The guy above you did.
- spoiled1, on 01/06/2008, -9/+126Blu-PacMan eating up the red dots.
- addrake, on 01/06/2008, -23/+135I hate picking the wrong side on this war. Just sold my HD DVD player for a loss on ebay. Figured I would get out before everyone realizes they are in betamax territory with HD DVD.
- krische, on 01/06/2008, -12/+119Jesus Christ people, for the last time. Blu-ray is not Sony's proprietary format. It is not even Sony's format. It was developed by an association of companies including: *****, Pioneer, Philips, Thomson, LG Electronics, Hitachi, Sharp, Samsung, and Sony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Associat ... - Renton, on 01/06/2008, -5/+95Are there really disc format fanboys now? Wow, that's pretty sad.
- zeiben, on 01/06/2008, -3/+92graph would have been cooler if superimposed to look like an optical disc. Buried for missed opportunity.
- wilhoitm, on 01/06/2008, -33/+119NBC/Universal is of course on the wrong side! Can these guys do anything right?
- Mononuclear, on 01/06/2008, -9/+90I wonder what effect the ps3 had on this. Anyone who has a ps3 has a Blu-Ray player which was as cheap as going out and buying a normal Blu-Ray player. Those who didn't have a ps3 had to go out and chose between buying HD DVD player or Blu-Ray player. Some probably chose HD DVD while others chose Blu-Ray so Sony already has a huge market share of the Blu-Ray players in homes. It makes sense that studios are going to follow the customers and sell to whoever buys more and Blu-Ray sells more because there are more players out there than HD DVD players.
Had the Xbox360 shipped with an HD DVD player I think that HD DVD would be winning by far because again it would be all about how many players were in homes and there are more 360's than PS3's in homes. (Note I didn't not say one was better than the other I just said there are more 360's out there. Don't turn this into a fanboy thing.) - truspect0r, on 01/06/2008, -43/+124=== Credit: dieselstation. Updated 5th January 2008. ===
So let's get rid of all the blu-ray myths before the hd-dvd fanboys come in kicking and screaming.
1. Blu-Ray is Sony proprietary. Wrong.. Sony may have been a huge part in its development, but the Blu-Ray founders consists of Apple, Dell, HP, Hitachi, LG, Mitsubishi Electric, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, Sun Microsystems, TDK, Thomson, Twentieth Century Fox, Walt Disney, Warner Bros., etc..
2. Porn will dictate the Hi-Def winner. um.. no. Seriously.. when was the last time you bought porn on a disc?
3. Blu-Ray movies are expensive. Compared to HD-DVD? not really. You can find tons of titles for $20 or less on amazon.com
4. Blu-Ray players are expensive. Nope.. there are BR players out there for around $260. even the PS3 is only $399.
5. Blu-Ray movies use bad compression technology. Nope.. not anymore. The first few discs maybe.. but everything is encoded in in AVC and VC-1 now. Same codecs as HD-DVD.
6. HD-DVD name is easier to remember. Um.. yeah right.. Anyone who is interested in buying high definition content already know who the 2 main players are. Assuming that people who buy high-def tv's and movies get tripped up by something silly as the NAME of the format is just silly.
7. They also bring up region-free, though most Blu-Ray titles are region free already and all of them have to be a year after release. Also on the porn thing, there are already a few companies doing Blu-Ray porn already so even that weak point doesn't hold up. And some few seem to think Blu-Ray players can't play DVD's - which of course they can.
sure there are way more reasons HD-DVD fanboys will come up for why HD-DVD is better.. but face it.. Blu-Ray MotherF'in WINS!!! - Slashriffs, on 01/06/2008, -1/+72Never Forget
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 - washburn085, on 01/06/2008, -12/+80Blu-ray has the superior storage capability. So looking at the big picture, as the technology gets cheaper, blu-ray will have more use as with movies, games, storage, etc. Time to end this battle and stop screwing the consumer.
- cliffzdude, on 01/06/2008, -0/+58I dugg you up for being in second place. You're still a good person, and gosh darn it, people like you.
- Conquerist, on 01/06/2008, -13/+66Gah!
How can the digg community support the format with more copy protection, Bluray! Bluray has BD+ which isn't even cracked yet. I thought you all cared about fair use and went protesting about the MKB v3 AACS processing key leaking, but now you don't even care about BD+ and celebrate that the less fair use friendly one "wins"?
Oh well, I guess more movies is more incentive to crack it :-).
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I just RTFA and looks like Apple is a Bluray proponent. So Apple > DRM? - alvinhokid, on 01/06/2008, -31/+81anybody else notice that the picture on the title doesn't match the picture on the link?
- Gudlyf, on 01/06/2008, -0/+48That's partly because New Line just announced they're going Blu-Ray as well, so I bet they updated it since then: http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/05/new-line-confir ...
- grat2001, on 01/06/2008, -6/+53Saying "less DRM" is like saying less pregnant.
- samdu, on 01/06/2008, -7/+50DRM is DRM. HD DVD has it. Blu-Ray has it. And neither will drop it.
- JigoroKano, on 01/06/2008, -4/+43It also doesn't have turtles.
- darkseid64, on 01/06/2008, -0/+38Buena Vista is Disney
- LoveWidescreen, on 01/06/2008, -7/+43And region coding, something that HD DVD didn't have.
- elvenseven, on 01/06/2008, -9/+398. Blu-ray name sucks and hard to understand. Wrong. Brand marketing, and do you prefer 2 syllables (blu.ray) or 5 (h.d.d.v.d)?
- greekgoat91, on 01/06/2008, -3/+33yea, but NBC said they would start releasing some of their shows on Blu-ray, so technically it should say both.
- alvinhokid, on 01/06/2008, -1/+31yeah, we wrote it at the same time
- inactive, on 01/06/2008, -7/+36"Was your HD DVD player somehow no longer functioning? "
Yes. It will no longer play new movies. - subterfuge, on 01/06/2008, -2/+30who buys porn on discs?
- iruel, on 01/06/2008, -4/+30this graph has nothing to do with consumers. it has to do with studios.
- IHaveCrayons, on 01/06/2008, -0/+25MKV is not a codec ok, get that right. MKV is a container that holds files, usually it'll hold a video encoded in H.264 with some separate subtitle files, understand? MKV can't be the next DIVX... MKV just keeps everything nice and clean by putting the separate files together. It's NOT A CODEC.
- LoveWidescreen, on 01/06/2008, -22/+46Why? Was your HD DVD player somehow no longer functioning?
WTF is with you people? Every HD DVD player is going to be an HD DVD player *and* DVD upconverter until the day it breaks! For all you know, you still could have gotten five or more high-definition years out of that unit! Just because the format war is effectively over does NOT mean that the hardware is now somehow bad! There was absolutely NO reason for you to have gone out and sold that player because of this. (This of course assumes that you sold it just to get rid of it. If you sold it to put the proceeds directly against a BD player, that's different.)
I have an HD-A2 that I got at the Wal-Mart $98 fire sale. I still bought HD DVDs yesterday. I'll still probably buy anther HD DVD player when the clearance sales start. Why? Because they're still going to work even if HD DVD officially shuts down. Am I looking to get a PS3 now because of this? You bet. But as long as the player works and I get still purchase and enjoy the media, there is no reason at all for me to sell it.
People still get enjoyment watching laserdiscs, too. Should they have jumped ship as soon as Pioneer abandoned the format just because it was no longer a supported platform?
Sheesh. - ryan899, on 01/06/2008, -1/+25I don't have the real estate in my entertainment center, nor do I have the inputs on my receiver for TWO high def players.
- samdu, on 01/06/2008, -1/+22Check your facts. Porn is on BD as well. Vivid and the other big company (can't remember the name at the moment). Doesn't matter anyway, the Internet is Porn now.
- jordanau, on 01/06/2008, -5/+26Betamax was in many ways superior to VHS. Technical Specs don't always matter.
- musleypope, on 01/06/2008, -6/+26And the on-screen talent, and the directors, and the editors, and all the countless people who make their livings off the film industry.
- greekgoat91, on 01/06/2008, -6/+25it's just a disc format, no different than any other, how evil can it be?
- grat2001, on 01/06/2008, -1/+20Like someone said above...When was the last time you bought porn on disc?
- scarper86, on 01/06/2008, -0/+19Michael Bay doesn't decide what format his movies are released on. The studio is responsible for distribution. He had an opinion about it, but Sony did not hand Michael Bay an envelope under the table at Denny's.
- janoo1989, on 01/06/2008, -2/+21Buena Vista includes Disney. Weird, I always thought that it was the other way around.
- musleypope, on 01/06/2008, -2/+20But most full length movies didnt fit on one betamax tape.
- pigfister, on 01/06/2008, -7/+25DRM-Ray is the format of choice of the MPAA and its all about locking down content to stop piracy, this is why warner has shifted position. do you actually think that the digital switch over is about a better product? there is no way to stop piracy from the internet now because every PC is a peer, so the only option is to control the hardware, and that's exactly what is happening with HDMI HDCP, (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) its about closing the analogue hole and making content incompatible! the MPAA do not like Hd-DvD because of the lack of the global price fixing tool which is region coding, and DRM-Ray has more DRM than HD-DvD, with BD+, DRM only on BLU-Ray studios can run ANY code they wish in the name of protecting their media, including phone home authorisation and the ability to disable your player if its found to be running a hack!
WHY DO YOU ALL WANT TO HAND CONTROL OF THE HARDWARE OVER TO THE MPAA?
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI. - rivasj, on 01/06/2008, -5/+23Lame for those poor saps that had to buy HD-DVD...Microsoft should put out a Blu-Ray for the 360...just give up the friggin' nonsense...
- chriskzoo, on 01/06/2008, -3/+21Your point is irrelevant because if the 360 had an HD-DVD drive, it would not have launched at $399 - hell, more likely $699, given that HD-DVD didn't even launch for several months after the 360.
- Pogue_Mahone, on 01/06/2008, -6/+24I think I'll just pass on the whole war and wait for a generation of media that doesn't have such an anti-consumer taste to it.
- kdepa, on 01/06/2008, -5/+22This makes me wonder if with all the AppleTV rumors, Apple might be setting out to release an AppleTV w/ blu-ray support. If they could keep it in the same or similar form factor as the current AppleTV, there might be another player as attractive as the PS3.
- Darkhacker, on 01/06/2008, -1/+18I always liked the Blu-Ray name better because the name HD-DVD seems to somehow imply that it's an HD movie, but on a DVD disk, and thus the average consumer might be confused and think that an HD-DVD will play in their standard DVD player.
- samdu, on 01/06/2008, -1/+17They've already done a fire sale once. And they had at least a $100 advantage during the holiday season. Stand alone Blu-Ray players outsold HD DVD players during that period.
- samdu, on 01/06/2008, -3/+19Wasn't a waste of money to me. Go ahead and enjoy your 480i/p DVDs. I'm loving my 1080p Blu-Rays. :)
- imikedaman, on 01/06/2008, -3/+19I'm sure you'll love watching the same few available movies for the next five years.
Yes, it's true that the hardware continues working after the format dies, but you won't get any new movie releases for it. That kind of ruins the entire point of having it in the first place. -
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