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- hugolp, on 08/14/2008, -6/+73Apple Insider criticizing Android? Why would they do that?...
Its good to know that they take Android into consideration as a big player. - inactive, on 08/14/2008, -13/+71Our company has stopped Android development of a popular software client we were doing because of the SDK situation (and lack of news from within google). Managers didn't like the way google were treating people/companys who didn't jump through their hoops in the app competition and make the top 50 (we couldn't enter as not all of the code we use is ours, so we had no permission to submit it). The SDK shut-out scared the bejesus out of our managers. So thats the end of android for us and i suspect many others too.
Sure Apple may have an oppressive NDA but everyone gets access to the latest and greatest SDK version, we also do S60 development so all our java guys are now developing for that platform VM. - ChayesFSS, on 08/14/2008, -15/+65Looks like the fanbois are already hard at work, are they afraid their jewelry will be obsolete so soon?
- protogenxl, on 08/14/2008, -2/+27Well at least the developers can bitch about the android SDK
- mrsack, on 08/14/2008, -2/+24Don't make me sad Google, I want an android in my phone :(
- inactive, on 08/14/2008, -4/+21Since this is a topic a lot of people will be commenting on who have no idea what they are talking about and therefore basing their position on either liking or hating Apple, it's good to hear a voice on the inside on this.
- shotgunefx, on 08/14/2008, -2/+17Maybe it's just me but I'd take this with just as much salt as MS talking about how horrible Linux is.
I don't see why holding back for a bit on a developing SDK to firm up is such a bad idea. - flytronix, on 08/14/2008, -7/+21buried as apple fanboism
- inactive, on 08/14/2008, -9/+22Speculative fluff.
- Narcowski, on 08/14/2008, -2/+15"Their" freedom, seriously.
- Phocion55, on 08/14/2008, -2/+15I for one am totally pissed how Google is handling the Android SDK. I was thrilled with the concept......now my interest is quickly fizzling out.
No update since February? Come on.
My current cell phone had a near-death experience with a glass of scotch this weekend......hurting for a new phone. Was hoping for Android.....but from the looks of it, I don't see anything promising coming from the project in the near future. - Phocion55, on 08/14/2008, -0/+12Right. But my concern is that in using February's SDK release (current), I'm wasting my time developing on something that may be completely outdated and useless when a new SDK does roll around.
There's no transparency. No visibility. No way of knowing. - EllimistX, on 08/14/2008, -3/+12***** you, I paid 999.99 for this jewel!
- cmorriss, on 08/14/2008, -0/+8Nice analogy except for the fact that they BOTH had DRM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hd-dvd#Digital_rights ... The only real difference was that HD-DVD was not region encoded, but that hardly makes it "free".
- LucasVB, on 08/14/2008, -0/+6Narcowski's comment wasn't there when I hit submit. Oh well.
- antechinus, on 08/14/2008, -9/+15Apple used to do the very same thing (and probably still do). The Apple/Developer interface is highly political and access to beta software depends on the length of the developer's tongue.
- MacParrot, on 08/14/2008, -0/+6Most software firms developing for the Android are probably already on the iPhone or Windows Mobile as well. While it would be nice if the SDK was a little further along, I'm sure it will be just fine in the long run.
Competition is a good thing - UnWeave, on 08/14/2008, -1/+6You, sir, are an idiot.
- cleverboy, on 08/14/2008, -0/+5I'm looking forward to Android, but its certainly got some serious challenges in front of it. I don't "get" the problem with the SDK distribution to a smaller group first... but that's me. I suppose it does smack of closed-source development with NDAs and such... I just think they're trying to have their cake and eat it too. There's SO much about a product like this that's publicly deseminated long before an official announcement can be made. They lose the whole "veil of secrecy" mystique that's part of a good product launch. I'm hoping Android will succeed where WinMo failed. They're looking to duplicate many of the limitations of WinMo though, so its hard to see how they won't simply go down the same road.
In order to be accepted by carriers, they'll let them turn features on and off. Add that to the normal differences between devices, and suddenly you have a VERY inconsistent delivery platform from the developer perspective. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Apple to deviate from its platform hardware profile with a new announcement. It' clear Apple is keeping an eye on ubiquity, even if others can't afford to. - inactive, on 08/14/2008, -0/+5Sometimes nice things cannot be done by committee; sorry.
- aserer511, on 08/14/2008, -3/+8so there's a trade off here, right? so apple's dev kit is apparently awesome, making apps easy to interface and develop. the trade off? you can't custom generate, the iPhone only supports this native API, definitely boxing in developers in some ways or another. will Android, development is as easy as making sure your software is compliant with the OS (I am not using the right language here, throw me a bone), giving developers arguably more freedom, if less guidance.
- chesterjosiah, on 08/14/2008, -3/+8Why did Google give preferential treatment to certain developers in the first place? How did Google benefit from giving a few people a newer version of the SDK?
The reason I ask is that I'm really starting to get bothered by Android and its slow development. My T-Mo contract expires in a couple weeks, and I'd been hoping to jump into a new Android phone. Now I'm thinkin' of just getting an iPhone. - inactive, on 08/14/2008, -0/+5i believe it's very popular in india and brazil.
- SciFctn, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5...says appleinsider.com
- Pic0, on 08/14/2008, -1/+5you seriously believe what you are writing?
lol - drlha, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4How quickly people forget the Google Video store.
- supermanred, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4Yeah, now kids think Apple invented portable mp3 players... they didn't ... they just made a better one that was easy to use...
Like the iPhone, which kicks the ***** out of the Treo any day. And anyone who disagrees hasnt used both. - jpkeisala, on 08/14/2008, -3/+7Anroid and iPhone together is almost 1% of the mobile market
- VigRoco, on 08/14/2008, -9/+13These developers need to quit their whining. When the official release comes around, the Android will have more up to date SDK releases on a more regular basis than the iPhone will ever have.
- MacParrot, on 08/14/2008, -3/+7That may be true but did two of your friends die because of it?
- mahler, on 08/14/2008, -0/+4"we couldn't enter as not all of the code we use is ours, so we had no permission to submit it"
That is actually understandable for a competition.
"The SDK shut-out scared the bejesus out of our managers. So thats the end of android for us and i suspect many others too."
Wasn't the advance release of Android's Software Developer Kit a prize in the competition? - willi, on 08/14/2008, -2/+6how are they ahead, when there's no phone running on Android yet?
- metalstorm, on 08/14/2008, -4/+8While I don't agree with them only giving the latest version of the SDK to a select few, this isn't going to kill development for it. Once Android phones start hitting the market hopefully everything will be straightened out.
Considering it took quite a while for an iPhone SDK to come out after the iPhone was on the market (8 months I think?), Android is ahead of the game as they are at least including third parties in their development. - LucasVB, on 08/14/2008, -1/+4Yeah, it is popular here in Brazil. That's why it's a failure.
- maninalift, on 08/14/2008, -1/+4so that they could start development again from scratch, yes the developers would forgive all if they were told to scrap the old API and that they'd get a new one in a a year or two.
- chesterjosiah, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3I'm in the same boat. Contract is up soon, hoping for Android, but don't see a point in waiting for it now.
- inactive, on 08/14/2008, -2/+5We do but not for the software product i was referring to earlier. Perhaps when WM 7 "Photon" is released we'll get on board as it will match iPhone feature for feature natively. (maybe)
- santasing, on 08/14/2008, -0/+3I am sick of these people who just can't let it go. Microsoft and Toshiba lost. Just let it go.
And how is HD-DVD free? Do you not pay royalties on it? Or is its spec freely available? Does it not have DRM.
Now sit down and STFU. - missingnoh4x, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Google has said that as Android gets more and more polished, they will open up all the closed aspects. The only reason things are the way they are is because it's early in development.
And I find it a bit ridiculous that people griping about these things with the SDK would instead flock to iPhone development. Uh, how's it going with Steve Jobs putting down intense restrictions on what you can and can't do? - SteveMax, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Palm OS is dead. The next generation Palm OS, which is now supposed to run over a Linux core, has been a "next year" event for some five years now.
Buying POS would only give Google the access to the huge software library of POS5, and only through emulation. I'm more surprised that Palm wasn't the first manufacturer to show up in Android's line, since that was all they needed: a hyped, open OS with an stable kernel. They could add a Palm emulator to their Android phones (leaving that tied to the hardware, and therefore a good reason to choose their models over, say, Samsung's) and they would be right back in the game. I guess that would be too smart for the current Palm, unfortunately. - supermanred, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2I can count on one hand the ammount of open source software that doesn't suck.
- ilgaz, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3Android isn't taken too much seriously except the fact that it has Google giant at his back. You know why? Because like 700-800 million cell phones have J2ME (Java) and 200 million cell phones have Symbian _and_ J2ME.
See the numbers above? That is the portable market.
On the other hand, thanks to iPhone for waking up Nokia and open sourcing Symbian while merging the UIQ/S60/FOMA circus, starting to help developers to ship good software, planning to release SDK for free... These are the real achievements of iPhone and they are actually a lot bigger. Even Sony'es project to fix J2ME interface problem via using Flash Lite is somehow connected to iPhone.
Do we need such baseless fanboy stories? - poonaka, on 08/14/2008, -2/+4Mine did!
- supermanred, on 08/14/2008, -0/+270% of the price of your app, which is hosted for free for you and promoted through iTunes for free is better than no money at all on the android platform...
- georgemandis, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2It seems a little premature to harp on the flaws of a product that hasn't technically been released yet, and perhaps even a little hypocritical in light how buggy iPhone 2.0 has been for so many people.
Regardless, a situation where anyone can add apps from any source to any phone is going to have a leg up in my book. I may be an iPhone owner, but I'm rooting for Android. - EtherGnat, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2@Docgila
I dugg you down, and I'm far from an Apple fanboy. If Google can't develop something better than Palm they shouldn't even bother. While it still has some strengths it's the most outdated of all platforms currently. Palm would be a step backwards. - surferjoemaui, on 08/14/2008, -0/+2Who is making the hardware? Are people who want a new phone now really waiting for this? I think google is great but i don't see them as great OS or GUI. Will there be different versions for different hardware?
- HolyChimp, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3What problems exactly? My iPhone works fine. 3G is everywhere and nice and fast (in the UK), GPS is accurate enough for my needs. A few software flaws, but that's life with software.
- brundlefly76, on 08/14/2008, -1/+3Orkut is one of Google's most successful products.
Just not in US. - LucasVB, on 08/14/2008, -3/+5One word: Orkut.
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