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- Tilneys, on 10/12/2007, -7/+48If it is being Dugg then it means other people are seeing it who never saw it before.
Don't be so, black and white... - TheZorch, on 10/12/2007, -18/+44Mac OS X is the product of more than a decade of research, testing, and fair amount of trial and error. Apple put more innovatiion into Mac OS X than Microsoft can claim they put into Windows XP or even Vista, and that's the truth.
- IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -13/+34Microsoft had Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows 2000 when Apple had OS 7, 8 and 9. And the fact is that Microsoft's OS was a million times better and friendlier than Apple's.
OS 7, 8 and 9 would hang in the middle of doing the most basic things while Win95 and Win98 would chug along all day and BSOD on bad hardware. People who are young and have not used the older OSes think that Apple's OS has always been as good as the present day OSX. - JamesShiell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Sigh. Wrong. OS X is an evolution of NeXT. It was BeOS they were considering, and the dropped in favour of NeXT.
And OS X is much more interesting than BSD. Mach micro-kernel (a rather old example of the genre), BSD compatibility layer, IOKit and so on on top of that.
And while Microsoft shamelessly swipe ideas from Apple, Apple shamelessly swipe them back. And famously swiped them originally from Xerox. This is good. Competition is good. But for Windows we'd have been stuck with the rather [technically] rubbish Mac OS Classic. But for Mac OS we'd be using CLIs. Mac OS X forced good things to happen in Vista, and so Vista will hopefully push Mac OS X [and Linux for that matter] to greater heights. It's good for all involved. - ZebraGang13, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Its pretty amazing how far the UI came
- inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9I have no idea why you're being dugg down for that. Given what happened to Apple's market share and profits during the system 7.x days, I'd say you weren't alone in switching. System 7.x was Apple's worst moment and it almost made a Windows user out of me too (would have except I didn't have the money at the time to buy a new computer.) It's fun to see screenshots for the nostalgic effect, but my god, I would never go back to that OS, not for anything. When people pull out those old myths about Macs not being able to multitask very well or freezing up 10 times a day or whatever... it's system 7.x that started that perception. Sadly, 8.0 and 9.0 were improvement, but didn't do enough to remedy that perception. Apple still fights that to this day.
- defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Oh god shut up. No ones computer would crashes 5 times a day. And if it did, it's the user that's irresponsible, not a crappy computer or OS.
- mcwiggin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I couldn't disagree more. While MacOS may have always had a very small market share it has brought about many features that would likely never have been included in windows. This effect is similar to how third parties force the major political parties in our country to pay attention to issues they would normally ignore. The existence of MacOS has been very important to the evolution of the computer. Just the same way the existence of Linux, BeOS and NextStep have made innovations that were then incorporated into more mail stream OS choices.
- msjacoby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I've seen this a lot too, and I wouldn't bury it just for repetitiveness - but the screenshots are mixed up and inaccurate.
- BugY2K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Much about this article is just plain wrong.
AppleTalk is a protocol, LocalTalk is a cabling technology. AppleTalk arrived very early in the development of the Macintosh (Remember the "Macintosh Office" demo, with Steve and John? The LaserWriter? Or am I the only one here old enough? ;)
The MacOS is not a single thread culminating in the current version of OSX. It is a multi-pathed route with many branches, some leading nowhere, some reconverging. No real history can leave out things such as the Lisa, A/UX, NeXTstep, etc.
I guess if I wanted my blog dugg, I could pull out my Plus and my Portable, my old AWS95, and my NeXTstation, an old SCSI 1X CD-Rom, one of my old "Support Professional" CDs and start screen shotting my way back through time.
--chuck - Yarnage, on 10/12/2007, -22/+27If that wasn't a biased statement. You realize several features of Vista was ripped off by Apple, right? Spotlight? Microsoft announced Vista would have it a full 2 YEARS before Tiger came out. There is a list of items like this that Apple has taken from other OSes, however; there is no OS creator that can claim they're entirely original. Microsoft has ripped things off of OS X, Apple has ripped things off of Microsoft, Linux has ripped stuff off of everyone and vice versa.
I would also like to add that OS X is an entirely different code base compared to OS 9 and earlier. OS X was Next Step and guess who was the CEO of that company? that's right, Steve Jobs. Apple didn't put in the initial years and years of research and investment into OS X, another company did and was bought by Apple. - defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5People still bitch about this stuff?
- jalenack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Whoa, check out the tabbed browsing on 7.6. http://www.iindigo3d.com/macos/system76.gif iCab!!
- inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7> If it weren't for the Mac OS, you would probably be typing that
> comment in an entirely different fashion... maybe the command line?
I like Apple's products, but let's not exaggerate. Nobody would be using a command line today. Apple didn't invent the GUI. Xerox did. Apple acquired the rights from Xerox to take their early ideas and add their own concepts. IIRC, the drop down menu was an Apple idea as well as drag and drop, the trash can and the desktop concept among other things.
So you're correct in saying that the OP would be typing that comment in an entirely different fashion. Apple's ideas wouldn't be part of the picture but nobody would be using a command line to do this. Xerox's ideas would have gotten out one way or the other. - DarkSideofMoon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7If it weren't for the Mac OS, you would probably be typing that comment in an entirely different fashion... maybe the command line?
It's like saying BMW or Ferrari hasn't shaped the market because they have such a low market share... - dotuplink, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Good Times.
- Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Looking at those screens, I'd have to say if Apple allowed other system builders to use their OS; Gates probably wouldn't be the richest man in the world.
Reminds me of VHS vs. Betamax. VHS was licensed out to other manufactures and won the war. - zoltan, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11ahh yes system 7.5... immediately after that i switched
- todddixon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Quite a few inaccuracies - especially the localtalk/appletalk bit. As mentioned localtalk was apple's attempt to seperate the appletalk protocol from its standard deployment medium i.e. the physical boxes. Remember phonenet? It was appletalk over phone cable vs more expensive shielded mini-din 8 connectors. Then of course appletalk was later distributed over ethernet as ethertalk. Still it provides a beautiful trip down memory lane... I remember system 1.0... gadzooks!
- AceTracer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There were changes between System 3 and 5, and if you want to see descriptions and screenshots, go to http://applemuseum.bott.org/ and click "The Early Mac OS"
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I Concur.
If windows is crashing 5 times a day and Linux isn't then chances are you have faulty windows drivers written by one of your computers hardware companies.
1) Update drivers
2) re-Install Windows
Or...chances are the reason Linux isn't crashing is because the support for the hardware that is crashing your computer isn't present in Linux (back in the day) or you happened to have had a virus or corrupted file. - decoherence, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2for those who want to see how "OS X" looked before Apple got it's hands on it,
http://homepage.mac.com/troy_stephens/OpenStep/screenShots/OPENSTEP-Desktop.jpg - Boyce, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@IQ70
"...while Win95 and Win98 would chug along all day..."
All I will say is..."Are you serious?" lol - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I used MS-DOS and Windows exclusively up until about 2001 when I started trying out Linux distros. I knew people that had Macs and loved them, but I had never used one more than a few minutes at a time. I was curious, but not that interested since it didn't seem all that exceptional. Mac OS X changed all that for me. As soon as I heard it was BSD underneath then Apple really had my attention. After making some friends in my comp sci classes who were Mac users I started using their machines and got really curious about OS X. A year later I bought a Mac mini, which lead to an AirPort Express and an iPod (when 5G iPods came out), and now a MacBook. I still use Linux, but OS X and the great apps available for it give me the best desktop experience I've had on any OS.
What I hear about pre-OS X days makes me think it was a similar experience to Windows 95 and 98... terrible, with at least one crash a day. - anphanax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Yeah, until you were in the middle of writing a document in Word and the screen went black, followed by that white pop-up about system resources being low, followed by several BSODs, followed by a black-screen and a mouse pointer - with nothing else responsive. Reboot. 12 hours layer, browsing the web with IE, some application has performed an illegal operation. Bring up CTRL+ALT+DEL, kill IE, Explorer (file explorer) starts acting up, and bringing up the right-click menu causes it to hang while building it's send-to menu. CTRL-ALT-DEL dialog - bring up process and kill it. CTRL+ALT+DEL second time, nothing happens for about 5 seconds... followed by BSOD about how the system is busy... Followed by black screen and then suddenly another BSOD this time a Fatal Exception 0x0e and some other garbage...
There's one thing I sort of miss. Being able to create a loop that tries to destroy DCs between 0 and 3000, and ending up crashing windows. I also miss typing "KRNL386 CON" in COMMAND.COM, and watching as many programs begin crashing. I sure do miss those files with character 0xff that explorer wouldn't delete for some reason... (and who could forget all the 16-bit applications still hanging out with Windows 98 when it was released - if I remember right, calculator, winfile, taskman and charmap on 98 were STILL 16-bit) - dynamicflow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Are you all forgetting the hardware end of this debate? Windows platform and PC has allowed for unparalleled hardware customization and "do it yourself" capability. Apple hardware, video cards, and upgrades are much more expensive and less powerful per-dollar. Macs are now using Intel hardware, hrmmm I wonder why? =P
- UltraPope, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.duggmirror.com
(they have a script that senses the referrer URL, so this'll work fine)
You could also just have the destination page forward visitors from digg.com to the below URL,
http://duggmirror.com/apple/From_System_0_0_to_OS_X_10_4_21_years_of_Mac_OS_w_screenshots/ - MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, it's actually not. It's actually surprising how pretty much nothing changed from Version 1 to 9, except they added color along the way. Then, when OSX came out, everything was totally different.
I'm most amused by the fact that they never changed he mouse cursor. Don't get me wrong, it's perfectly fine and I even use it in Windows, but you'd think they would have tried something else in the last 22 years. (I know they switched the busy indicator from clock to beachball, but I'm talking about the standard cursor.) - lilrabbit129, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Nobody would be using a command line today."
Haven't tried linux have you? - moet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Jeez you would of thought having all that time they could of made a better player than Quicktime. Wht a junk player
- DarkSideofMoon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@inkswamp
haha... looking back at my comment, I should have put some 'sarcasm' emoticon beside it.
Ya, I totally know we wouldn't be using the command line, just embellishing the fact I guess. But the computer interface scene would probably look a little bit different, no denying that. I'll be more careful next time with my sarcasm on the interwebnets.
Now, back on topic! - MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Napster made a big impact... it didn't have any market share.
- zakool21, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2KrocCamen is right. Windows 98 was a real bitch, so was NT for that matter. As savvy of a computer user as I was when we had 98, it crashed like none other. That said, we had plenty of issues starting with OS 7 when we first got our mac in 1991 (1992?)....
This whole thing was a trip down memory lane. I remember how much better each mac OS got than the orginal version. We used Mac OS all the way through OS8 before getting a PC, and this year I bought myself a Mac with OS X Tiger. Couldn't be happier! - iindigo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Owner of the website here... and damn, I wasn't prepared for being posted on Digg... my site now suffers from the digg effect >_
- MikeCerm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's just it, I'm not saying that they should have changed it, but most things do change over time. Maybe they could have made it a few pixels bigger, or smaller, or something. It's not the same as it's always been, it's EXACTLY the same.
They could have also experimented with a white cursor with a black outline, or something. - IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just like Sansas drive iPods to innovate?
- IQ70, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a Win98 machine that reboots once a year when we have power failure for more than 2 days during winter storms. It is connected to a 100 thousand dollar HPLC machine.
When Windows BSODs you have C-A-D butttons or reboot switch.
When OS 8 brain farts you have to pull the electric plug for the computer. - lilrabbit129, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I'm most amused by the fact that they never changed he mouse cursor. Don't get me wrong, it's perfectly fine and I even use it in Windows, but you'd think they would have tried something else in the last 22 years. (I know they switched the busy indicator from clock to beachball, but I'm talking about the standard cursor.)"
What do you suggest they changed it to? - diskgrinder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"gadzooks" - s'blood that's Shakespearean. Antler tip to you.
- diskgrinder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1icab rocks. Always has, always will.
- cgseller, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I agree. Digg has lost it's value. That is what archives are for for those who have not seen it yet. I guess digg is now what I thought it was.
- DocElroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bandwidth limit exceeded... Duuh! :-(
- diskgrinder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I wonder whether some of you windows evangelists don't have a little spittle in the corner of your mouth when you do this red-faced thing. Shut up with the zealotry - you give yourself away. Enjoy the development of something good: something that made your working life tenable; because without it you'd have no competition to encourage your god to make your experience that much better.
- neonfunk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0come on, now. if you don't have anything to say, don't say it.
- theiggy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3thats very much not true. impact has very little to do with market share, so you can get rid of that idea. apple's impact on operating systems through the decades has been immeasureable... thats a fact.
the other thing thats highly innacurate about what you said is about their market share. macOS has at least 20-25 million active users, thats nothing to sneeze at. thats at least 20 million people who have made a choice in their OS, which takes both brains and guts.
currently apple has about 5% of the US desktop market share and 11% of the US laptop market. now those shares include markets apple doesnt compete in, namely, large business/enterprise markets. that market doesnt make thinking choices, it makes commodity choices. who has the cheapest, most common, most standard low-cost crap that i can feed across 5000 users in my company. they arent looking to shake up the world, just get MS excel into users hands. sales into this market bloats and distorts the total market.
the markets that apple does compete in, they either dominate or do a really good job. consumer, education and creative professionals. across these areas macOS represents anywhere from 15% to 60% depending on the category. we dont know for sure what the totals are, but i think its a safe bet that apple probably has about 25-33% of the US consumer laptop market... and that one is growing in apple's favor all the time.
so consider yourself pwnd on the internet, or something. - wheresaldo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Yeah, like Apple was the "only company" in the world that could think on a user graphic interface, give us all in digg a break.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3You two are obviously too young to ever have used Windows 95 or 98. It would crash if you held the wrong key, or looked at the screen odd.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1the link is down, and so are the damn mirrors.
- gmprunner, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2"OS X 10.4 sported new features such as Dashboard, Core Image, Dashboard, Safari 2.0, and revamped Mail." Oh, and did we mention it added Dashboard as a new feature?
- no1digger, on 10/12/2007, -9/+2this came up earlier this year. Nice but no digg.
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