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- danbedford, on 06/23/2008, -5/+100Thank you jebus it's not just the Server version getting full ZFS support!!
- InorganicMatter, on 06/24/2008, -3/+43The desktop edition gets ZFS, yes!
I wish Microsoft would hurry up with ZFS, and the GNU guys would just swallow their GPL pride an implement it. A unified file system across the board would be fantastic! - pmcnabb, on 06/23/2008, -2/+40No surprise about application sizes decreasing. When PPC support is dropped, no PPC code is required. There are already apps to decrease application size by stripping out the "other" architecture for universal programs.
- Tivor, on 06/24/2008, -0/+35I can't wait for Snow Leopard. In this day and age where the benefits of faster processors always gets cancelled out by everything being bloated (often just for the sake of looking pretty), it is so refreshing to have a major OS update almost purely focused on optimization.
- Falldog, on 06/24/2008, -2/+31How about some Cut in Finder?
- fanclerks, on 06/24/2008, -1/+26Nobody knows right now. People are guessing it'll just be an update to Leopard, thus the "Snow" part added. Trying to guess at this time is just masturbation though. There's no way to tell.
- bmonzing, on 06/23/2008, -3/+23Although the Roughly Drafted article is extremely thorough http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/06/23/ten-big-n ... , AppleInsider's quick run-down of features is exactly what I needed.
- SuperSunny, on 06/24/2008, -2/+21Incorrect. I've stripped out PPC support from universal binaries and it does cut down a LOT of size total from my entire OS X installation overall. It does take up space. It totals up VERY fast.
- GreatOne08, on 06/24/2008, -0/+18Let it Snow
- elambing, on 06/24/2008, -1/+17im confused about snow leopard, is it just an update with an independent name that will be released through software update, or is it a full fledged os that youll have to buy on a disc?
- VladII, on 06/24/2008, -0/+16That's busted ass reading on your part. It's not RAM they're saving, it's space on the HD.
- mikedub1219, on 06/24/2008, -2/+17yes, thats good.
- govsucks, on 06/24/2008, -0/+13Well, we are certainly foaming at the mouth to get our little code fingers on the multi-touch stuff. I would love to see it in all our applications. Want a smaller brush, just pinch while the brush tool is selected. I LOVE the multi-touch stuff. Greatest invention in user interaction in a long long time.
- HolyChimp, on 06/24/2008, -0/+11A choice of file systems is nice, but the ability to use one file system across all platforms is also nice. FAT32 just doesn't cut it these days, and since Windows can't even read HFS and OS X can't write to NTFS (without NTFS-3G, which then causes the drive to be unmountable if you didn't 'safely eject' the drive), we need a new file system supported by all the main OS.
- Twee, on 06/24/2008, -1/+10I certainly hope that it will be a free upgrade, especially considering that "Leopard" is still in the name. It's Mac OS X Leopard Second Edition..
- SuperSunny, on 06/24/2008, -1/+10Core 2 Duo is a dual core x86_64 processor...incase you didn't know, haha. Core Duo was dropped after the first gen MacBook. That's the one that lacked the 64-bit. Sadly that's the one I have >
- Tivor, on 06/24/2008, -0/+8Only the system files and the apps that come bundled with OS X will go through the size reductions. If you had even skimmed over the article, you would not have a problem understanding this.
- BenBenMan, on 06/24/2008, -4/+12Am I right in assuming this is somewhat analagous to XP Service Pack 2? Not very many new features, but a lot of code being rewritten and optimised etc...?
(Please no snarky "no it's not, cause XP SUCKS!" comments, I'm trying to ask a genuine question here...) - GothAlice, on 06/24/2008, -1/+9I guess no-one else has even thought of the possibility that Apple isn't going to shoot themselves in the foot by utterly dropping PowerPC. Could they, I don't know, simply not install the binary components for an architecture you aren't running? E.g. ship universal apps on the installer DVD, but during installation, simply strip out x86 on PowerPC architectures, and strip out x86 on PowerPC architectures? Compatibility with half the binary file size, and already accomplishable with several free utilities.
Also, centralizing localization means I don't have to have complete copies of all resources in every language for each program. If I say I just want English, I only want English. (Well, and Japanese because Japanese is cool. Nihongo wa sugoi desu ne!) - meatmcguffin, on 06/24/2008, -1/+9I think you meant to say "without these BASIC usability improvements, i can't use it like Windows"
The reason the enter key is not used for opening files is that it's too easy to open files by accident (potentially hazardous) or to open several files at once by mistake. Command-Down or Command-O is pretty much accident proof. There is a path bar if you enable it in the prefs but what do you mean by editable? Oh.. and definitely agreed on the tabbed finder. - digitalpencil, on 06/24/2008, -0/+8you can trash them.. i always uninstall ilife.
- GreatDrok, on 06/24/2008, -11/+19Stripping PPC support from a universal binary has almost no impact on the size of the application. I know, I've done it. Stripping languages results in a much greater size reduction. Besides which, even without PPC support, they would still have to support x86 and x86_64.
- Iwantawii, on 06/24/2008, -3/+10Until Snow Leopard, you can get "self contained web apps" using Fluid.
http://fluidapp.com/
Since Safari pages and tabs can be pretty fleeting during browsing, with Fluid you can make any page its own app and it will reside in the Dock with a custom icon and you can close it to put it away and it's right there again and holy crap why is this comment box bouncing all over hell it's kind of turning me on. - newbill123, on 06/24/2008, -1/+7While there is no way to tell, there are ways to make educated guesses.
For those saying Snow Leopard will cost money, the persuasive argument is that it's out of Apple's control. Because of the SEC investigation of their accounting practices, Apple had to make a standard for accounting for upgrade costs. If the development hasn't already been calculated into the cost of Leopard, then it will cost something. Perhaps $20. Perhaps $129. But the cost will be based on whatever Apple said were their standard accounting practices for major upgrades.
For those saying it will be free, the persuasive argument is that it's in Apple's best interest for as many people to adopt the technologies in Snow Leopard as possible. Snow Leopard makes Mac apps faster, smaller, and more secure, but it doesn't get rid of support obligations for current Leopard users... unless you can get them to voluntarily upgrade. Giving Snow Leopard away as cheaply as possible will lower Apple's support costs. Being released at about the same time as Windows 7 it also might be a nice marketing bullet point of comparison.
Personally, I think Apple's accountants painted themselves into an overly restrictive corner with the standards they made after the SEC investigation, but I think that the reason we keep hearing the "no new features" line about Snow Leopard is precisely so they can give away the upgrade for an amount as close to free as possible. It is in Apple's best interest to have as many Leopard users move to Snow Leopard as possible. - vwgtiturbo, on 06/24/2008, -2/+8Where have you been? We have already seen SP3 for Leopard (10.5.3)... And it's only been out for what... 8 months? THAT'S called being on top of it.
- deadbaby, on 06/24/2008, -0/+6Apple has given away OSX updates for free before (10.1 IIRC) Since they don't really make that much money on retail upgrades of OSX I would guess they will either give it away free or price it under $50. The real money maker part of this will be selling more Macs.
- InorganicMatter, on 06/24/2008, -2/+81) You can't say ZFS is horrible for desktop use, because there's no desktop OS implementation of it at this point in time.
2) Typical GPL snobbery; Sun's not going to overhaul their business model when it's much easier and cheaper for you to change your licensing model.
3) Choice is nice, but total interoperability is nicer. - nakile, on 06/24/2008, -1/+7They're talking about how much HDD space the apps take up, not RAM. If Mail took up that much RAM...
- p0tent1al, on 06/24/2008, -3/+9One of the reasons Apple has a great product, is that they don't forever focus on backwards compatibility. All future Microsoft Operating systems have this huge crutch, they have to offer a lot of backwards compatibility with their legacy OS's, and it severely hurts whatever OS they are releasing. What it basically amounts to, is TONS of time developing, and almost nothing real tangible to show for it,as we have seen in Vista, which does have some features, but is more or less extra eye candy. Some people forget how long it actually took them to add what little they did.
Apple on the other hand, doesn't focus AS MUCH on legacy. This gives them free reign to develop the best products possible, without compromising design for backwards compatibility. Why do you think file sizes of programs are decreasing so drastically? - inactive, on 06/24/2008, -0/+5I had just assumed it was the next version of the OS, but your right that the name sorta implies otherwise.
Would be damn awesome to get this stuff for free (or cheap). - ronmexico, on 06/24/2008, -0/+5If you'll remember 10.1 was a free upgrade, yet I doubt this one will be.
- mrBitch, on 06/24/2008, -1/+6It looks like Apple doesn't really care about "home brew" projects that allow people to run OS X on PC motherboards that lack EFI (good old BIOS - running on PCs since 1981. Yep BIOS is 27 year old technology).
Projects like OSX86 & Hackintosh seem to actually have a "halo" effect where the lead to MORE demand for Apple hardware.
In fact, quite a few of the people I know that have successfully installed OS X via hackintosh assistance have gone on to buy Apple MacBook and Apple MacBook Pro laptops... - inactive, on 06/24/2008, -0/+5that's what the chart does...TextEdit would not drop from 22mb to 2mb just by eliminating a binary. it's from the NIB files for interface.
- SuperSunny, on 06/24/2008, -1/+6Apple hasn't charged for OS updates. They've charged for OS upgrades. Tiger to Leopard, or Jaguar to Panther, etc. They have not charged for updates within the OS itself. If Snow Leopard is a package to Leopard, hopefully it won't be charged. If it will, I doubt it would be over 50, which is actually quite cheap for basically a complete redesign of the functions of how OS X works.
- meatmcguffin, on 06/24/2008, -0/+4Better still, sign up for a free online developer count with Apple and you can download Safari 4 developer preview for free.
- kraetos, on 06/24/2008, -3/+7Nah, SP2 didn't really do much in the way of "optimizing." It was mostly security stuff going on with SP2.
- tacojohn48, on 06/24/2008, -0/+4I have been considering switching to a Mac and from what I see it looks like Macs don't even come with Solitaire. You want to talk about superior apps at least have Solitaire.
j/k - theurge14, on 06/24/2008, -1/+5Wrong.
Look in System Preferences > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts, then scroll to the bottom and find Application Keyboard Shortcuts. There you can make shortcuts to any menu item you want, globally across all apps or in just certain apps.
Home and End go to the beginning and end of the file. If you want to move the cursor to the beginning of lines you use Command-Right and Command-Left.
If you want a path bar in Finder, Option-Left Click the folder title at the top. Leopard even includes a new Toolbar icon you can add called Paths that does the same thing, go to Customize Toolbar to find it.
Take the time to learn something other than Windows keyboard shortcuts. - JoshChan, on 06/24/2008, -5/+9I am sick of those apple bull craps about new releases and new improvements. I upgraded to leopard last year and till now I still can't figure out what kind of substantial changes the new OS has brought to me except those pathetic minor visual improvements and useless gimmicks and that it rendered many of the old software useless which previously work on Tiger and Panther.
Every now and then Apple throws some ***** like "text-processing features, auto activation of fonts" and expect people to pay for 200 USD for an upgrade just to try to be a cooool apple users.
Apple is bull of bull craps and I am sick of it. Digg me down you ***** apple fanboys - Niightwitch, on 06/24/2008, -0/+4At least 5 years? I doubt it.... this is Apple we're talking about, not Microsoft.
- OftEccentricity, on 06/24/2008, -1/+5Why the heck is freaking mail so big?
-goes to delete- - Berkana, on 06/24/2008, -1/+5The Newton will be back! NICE! ^_^ The original was ahead of its time. I can't wait to see what they come up with this time around.
- mrsteveman1, on 06/24/2008, -0/+4Yea when i think speed, i think bears.
- yabos, on 06/24/2008, -0/+3Nothing is announced. A pre-alpha version works with intel computers only but the system libraries still have ppc code.
- yabos, on 06/24/2008, -0/+3You save a few hundred MB at most, not gigs like with Snow Leopard.
- allyant, on 06/24/2008, -0/+3It's worth it, best mail client out there.
- megamod, on 06/24/2008, -0/+3I like it how they're slimming down their software...maybe fatty Vista should consider a gastric bypass surgery...or put some clothes on =).
- Refrag, on 06/24/2008, -0/+3New versions of Mac OS X have historically been faster than the previous one on the same hardware.
- inactive, on 06/24/2008, -0/+3I would agree. ZFS has has oodles of issues with reporting problems as well. It simply wont, not that there are none, just it shows things as ok.
Its pretty much a guarantee that Apple will support it but not endorse it on it's roll outs. -
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