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Five iPod Touch Disappointments

macguide.woop.tv — After playing with the iPod touch for just under a month now, along with some positive things I've discovered about the device, I've also come across a few things which bug me to no end. Lets take a look.

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  • EvilAnimator, on 10/24/2007, -64/+17Would you like some cheese with that whine?
    • chazza125, on 10/23/2007, -23/+3haha zomg that was soo funny!!!!111!11!1!!!! Don't worry, having -15 diggs does not make you any less of a person; albeit quite a special one indeed.
  • quickjack, on 10/28/2007, -10/+986) No Flash, No Java, No cut and paste

    • markwilcox, on 10/23/2007, -7/+19Those would be iPhone disappointments
      • 68024, on 10/24/2007, -1/+23...and thus also iPod Touch disappointments
        • LeeSoong, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2and
          no file saving, no .pdf file reading, no text file reading, no saved web pages, no bluetooth or networked photo printing, no scientific calculator, not even i-2-i file 'squirting' -
          • LeeSoong, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1and - no video input, no video recording, no microphone, no camera, no speaker, no fm, no 1080p hdmi video output, no internet safari window to tv output. no 'virtual' click wheel.

            ipod touch is an awful, overpriced , under developed product -everything about 'touch' feels like a second handed after thought. like apple ripped the phone out and stuffed the leftovers in a box.

            touch could grow into a nice palm top device, better than newton or treo.

            i don't understand why apple is = still = 5 years behind archos.

            http://www.archos.com/?country=global&lang=en
    • coldfusion1970, on 10/24/2007, -2/+10The cut and paste is a big miss.
      Also some sort of facility to store frequently entered text.
      • LeeSoong, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1no iPod to usb external hard drive support.
        imagine your Touch with 1 TB of attached storage.
        Support for Network Attached Storage would be even better.
        Then add the ability to directly read iTunes Library files, and you could share your WHOLE iTunes Library wirelessly from one location to your iPod Touch / iPhone.
        Video download support would be good.
        And so far iTunes downloads to the Touch FAIL more than 60% of the time.
        The touch lets you BUY song, but never downloads, forgets the transaction occured, or says, "you will get the song later when you sync with iTunes on your computer."
        Safari crashes frequently, needs real Sun Java for many websites to work correctly.
        And a notebook feature, to type in and save quick notes.
    • russelbutt, on 10/24/2007, -13/+6..no *****!

      what did you think? did you honestly expect the ipod touch to have better features than the iphone?
    • Stelex, on 10/24/2007, -17/+11It also doesn't cook, no dishwashing options, doesn't make beds, no ironing and worst of all - it doesn't babysit! I mean - come on people, what do you expect? A 3 inch powerbook ? Get a grip.
    • ttfadia, on 10/24/2007, -0/+14Here are my disappointments:

      1. Application state preservation – There does not seem to be any universal standard for state preservation in applications when a user returns to the home screen. In YouTube or Photos, a click of the home screen means you’ll start from the beginning when you reselect it. For Music and Safari, the application remembers your status.

      2. Touch alternative to main button – The touch interaction becomes so natural that it can be a bit disconcerting to switch to the tactile button when returning to the home screen. It would be nice to have a touch alternative to the home button always showing somewhere.

      3. Excessive animation – I hate saying this because the effects are so smooth, but sometimes the animations can be a bit disconcerting. For example, if I click a link in Mail, the Mail app zooms out, then Safari zooms in, then the current Safari page zooms out to display the “tab” navigator, then a new tab slides open and zooms in before the clicked link starts loading. The animations are lovely, but I have to wonder if simpler switch with a “Back to Message” button would be easier.

      4. Application crash notification – Currently, when an application crashes on the iTouch (most frequently, Safari, when it encounters a resource-intensive page), the device just returns to the home screen and says “nope, nothing out of the ordinary happened there” (well, maybe not the second part). It would be helpful if the iPhone/iTouch would somehow acknowledge that the application had indeed crashed.

      5. Easier “Breadcrumb” navigation – The current breadcrumb navigation design on the iPhone/iTouch only allows the user to move one level at a time. However, I usually have at least a couple nested folders in my Safari bookmarks and it can be a bit cumbersome to step back through each level. A more breadcrumb-like navigation system that listed the full path to the user’s current level would make this easier. Something akin to what is done on Leaflets would be ideal.
      • LeeSoong, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2no video audio playback when you choose to turn off the screen.

        there are many videos that can just be listened to while you are doing something else...
      • aduzik, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Funny story: I was one of the losers who stood in line on June 29 to buy an iPhone. They set up the store so there were iPhones to play with while you waited in line. I picked one up and thought it was frozen because the home screen wouldn't appear when I touched the home button. I was about to ask someone if this one was broken -- which would be really impressive since it had only been on display for about five minutes -- when I finally figured out it's an actual button you have to press. I was disappointed; that seemed kind of chintzy to me for the entire front of the phone to be touch sensitive except for the home button.
        OK, that story wasn't so much funny as it was long. Sorry.
        My chief complaint about the iPod touch is that you can't do anything without turning on the screen. I love that you can do quite a bit with the iPhone without turning it on: adjust the volume, answer a call (with wired or Bluetooth headset), play/pause the iPod, and skip to the next song. You can't do any of that on the iPod touch.
    • poppieprong, on 10/23/2007, -1/+3You can add those complaints to every mobile device. It bugs me to no end that my Motorola Q that I have through work, or my Black Berry before it, simply sucked at looking at webpages. I mean, how hard is it really to implement Flash and Java on a mobile device?
  • GMoney79, on 10/28/2007, -9/+707) Lack of external volume controls.
    8) No root access.

    But it's still a great device.
    • markwilcox, on 10/24/2007, -2/+19Yeah the volume thing is annoying. Every time you want to change the volume you've gotta pull it out of your pocket, double tap home, then slide.
      With my old video I always used to just put my hand in my pocket and change the volume.
      • Digisphere, on 10/24/2007, -3/+6iPod Radio Remote?
        • REBELinBLUE, on 10/24/2007, -0/+5Sadly that doesn't work, if you plug it in you just get a message saying something along the lines of "the attached accessory is not supported by the iPod"
        • koweja, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3You can get a set of headphones that have their own independent volume control. Since they don't control the iPhone's volume level there's no compatibility issues.
    • thatsmyaibo, on 10/23/2007, -8/+2They are coming out with an external remote for the earphones.
    • LoopyChew, on 10/24/2007, -2/+15You know what would be awesome? If they used pinching to change the volume controls. Double-tap home, spread for louder and pinch for softer.

      I would assume that someone's already thought of this and figured out a reason why it's not a good idea, but it just seems like the logical thing to do for hand-in-pocket volume changing.
      • senatorpjt, on 10/24/2007, -0/+18Or, just put a volume button on the outside like on the iPhone.
        • LoopyChew, on 10/24/2007, -0/+14Well, yeah, but I was thinking of something that can be implemented through firmware on current iTouches.
      • IEatHamburgers, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2Somebody needs to make a program that does it so at least those of us with hacked iPods can have that.
      • GMoney79, on 10/27/2007, -0/+1That's an excellent idea on the pinch volume controls. The only problem I see is the fact that one might look like he was playing 'pocket pool' with himself.
  • Madmod, on 10/24/2007, -18/+21BAsicly the same dissaponitments of the iphone.


    Plus no having blue tooth
    • markwilcox, on 10/23/2007, -14/+2Why would you need bluetooth on a media player? Except for Bluetooth headphones.
      • ub3rgeek, on 10/24/2007, -3/+21You just answered your own question.

        And for bluetooth internet from your cell phone.
      • Murdats, on 10/23/2007, -0/+11bluetooth headphones
        bluetooth file transfer
        bluetooth contact sync
        and anything else people want to use bluetooth for.
      • bipher, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2Why ask the question if you're just going to answer it?
      • 80hd, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Wouldn't WIFI syncing and file transfers make more sense given the fact that more computers have wifi than BT?
    • xero9, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1BT on the iPhone was a big letdown. My MBP can't interface with it for anything, it's useless. All it's meant for is a headset, which the touch has zero use for seeing as it has no modem.
  • lordtyros, on 10/28/2007, -12/+62I'd be pissed beyond belief if my mp3 player were prone to crashing while performing its primary function. Note: Don't pack on extra ***** at the expense of core functionality.
    • coldfusion1970, on 10/25/2007, -4/+15My touch has never crashed playing music, just in Safari.
    • thatsmyaibo, on 10/24/2007, -5/+14I've had no crashes whatsoever.
    • r3zonance, on 10/23/2007, -0/+9Ever since hacking and installing 3rd party apps on my iPod Touch it has had random crashes and lock ups. Never had any problems with it as a vanilla ipod touch though.

      But hey everyone knows that 3rd party software doesn't cause this (that's the impression you get from Digg users anyway).
      • IEatHamburgers, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1I never had any problems with it. Did you use the 74-step process or did you use one of the lazy-ass GUI programs like I did?
    • 68024, on 10/25/2007, -2/+3That's just trying to justify it not having the things it's truly missing... since they put internet capability on there it's more than just an mp3 player now. So either it should be done right, or not at all. It certainly shouldn't be done half-heartedly, which is causing an identity crisis for the iPod Touch because people don't know what this is anymore.. an mp3 player (like the iPod was in the past) or is it now also a web browser? If the latter - then it has to be done right.
    • bipher, on 10/25/2007, -2/+1It seems to me that a simple volume control is core functionality, not extra *****. Four clicks and a visual just to change the volume scores pretty terribly on the usability scale.
      • thrasher6670, on 10/25/2007, -0/+2its 2 clicks, double tap the home button, then change the volume, works everywhere.. even when the phone is locked
        • bipher, on 10/25/2007, -2/+1In standard, industry-wide usability testing for mobile devices, non-tactile sliding is considered as 2 clicks. Therefore double-tap = 2 clicks, plus non-tactile sliding = 2 clicks, totals 4 clicks. Whatever the intricacies, the point is that you gotta be looking at the damn thing to do the simplest task. Touch screens aren't all they are cracked up to be. Changing the volume on an MP3 player is as fundamental as the Play button. Make it as easy as possible.
    • shortyjacobs, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5You are completely delusional if you think the iTouch is a "mp3 player".....the whole POINT of the stupid device is to have all that extra ***** packed in. We used to have mp3 players that didn't have all the extra *****....no "touch to change volume crap".....it was called the iPod....and ya'll bitched and wanted a touch screen.....happy now???
  • jmeskimen, on 10/31/2007, -4/+35802.1x support!!! I bought mine thinking that it would be perfect for college to have wifi and music everywhere on campus. Now it's restricted to being like my 5G iPod since I can't sign into the campus wireless without a username/password combo.
    • Munkym, on 10/23/2007, -1/+11Same... stupid Cisco Clean Access Agent. Is there any hack or application you can add (or someone can make) to bypass that?
      • jmeskimen, on 10/23/2007, -5/+2I've spent hours trying to figure something out. My only guess would be to somehow copy the framework from OS X to the touch since both "run OS X"
        • r3zonance, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1But they both use completely different CPUs, so that isn't going work.
          • dragon76, on 10/24/2007, -3/+1Frameworks on Mac OS X are (mostly) not CPU dependent.
          • oepapel, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Are you high? Of course frameworks are CPU dependant. Even when they are "Universal" that just means that it has code for the G4/G5 chip and the Intel chip. There is no java byte code or IL code in most frameworks since they are usually written in ObjectiveC/C++, not Java. And even if it were Java, I don't believe that the iPhone/iTouch has a Java VM anyway.
      • jcostom, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Cisco NAC can be bypassed for specific stations - which has to be done by administrators. The flaw there is that once you've permitted the MAC addr of the iTouch without examination, you can now reconfig most anything to use the iTouch's MAC addr, i.e. they're unlikely to do it for you.
    • orph3us, on 10/24/2007, -4/+8is that where you have to login via web page? I thought safari worked for that? I don't own the touch or iphone, can you explain what is going wrong?
      • jmeskimen, on 10/24/2007, -1/+12It's more like instead of entering a WEP key, the network is set up so that you enter a username and password. And so only approved usernames and passwords are able to gain access to the network. It is not a web page based login.
      • daza, on 10/24/2007, -0/+13I think it is referred to as WEP/WPA Enterprise security. It requires additional credentials to login, not just a simple password. Additional credentials allow the use of a username, which is why it is very common in workplace environments and Universities. This is THE reason I did not get the iPod Touch, would have loved one but if I can only use wireless when I am at home, what's the point? (In Australia there are little to no free wireless hot spots, even at Cafes).
    • jm1234567890, on 10/23/2007, -6/+1But OSX supports that...
      • mrsteveman1, on 10/23/2007, -1/+3So does Windows....and so do lots of other systems that have nothing to do with the iPod touch...

        The core architecture of that device may be OS X, but they aren't similar to that extent, they removed all sorts of stuff and the kernel is 1/10th the size of the desktop kernel.
        • senatorpjt, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3The iPhone supports PPTP and IPSec. You could probably copy those files over.
    • TheTrueAPlus, on 10/24/2007, -4/+6I got a reply from sjobs@apple.com stating that this was coming within 6 months.
    • pwnatron, on 10/23/2007, -1/+0Well...that's the idea of campus internet - it's secure. Mine works great on campus after I enter my credentials.
    • MioTheGreat, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2I know. The lack of 802.1x support is the only thing stopping me from buying one.
  • ThinkBox, on 10/24/2007, -8/+16Go back just two years and look at the price of a 16gb Flash drive.

    Flash is coming, but it isnt here in 32/64 yet.

    Hell a 16gb P2 card for the panasonic HVX HD camera is still 1200, the 8gb is 800....
    • darny, on 10/24/2007, -4/+8where are you getting your cards? I picked up an 8GB card LAST YEAR (sandisk ultra extreme III) for my eos 30D, it was like $350
      • eadnams, on 10/23/2007, -0/+9a P2 card is equal to 4 ultra extreme III's in a Raid 0 configuration inside a PC-Card, Its the only way to write fast enough, his prices are correct.
    • daza, on 10/23/2007, -3/+4$800? For SDHC? It goes for less than $100 AUD ($92.55), which is about $83 USD.
      • lastinginfinity, on 10/23/2007, -0/+5P2, not SDHC, check eadnams reply above
        • daza, on 10/23/2007, -2/+1Sorry. Thought it was a typo, Googled for P2 and didn't find anything useful.

          But if we're comparing Apple to Apples, they are using stock-standard NAND memory, not higher-performance memory like P2 cards. So SDHC is a little more comparable to the memory the iPod touch uses, at least price wise.
    • seraph582, on 10/24/2007, -0/+5what the hell are you talking about? Flash memory prices are going through the floor...
      • LeeSoong, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1apple has a long term contract with samsung, to buy flash chips...
    • rspeed, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2That's hardly a flash memory price issue. The vast majority of flash storage is far, far cheaper than that.
    • 80hd, on 10/24/2007, -0/+2lol I'll sell you an $800 8gig flash card.

      btw you can get 4gig extreme IV's now for $89. (Yes extreme 4 is up to that capacity now)
    • ButlerMonkey, on 10/23/2007, -0/+0ThinkBox is talking about Panasonic's P2 cards, wich are intended for use in their HD cameras. These are really expensive, and yes over priced considering they are usually 4 SD cards setup in raid housed in a PCMICA card. At the studio I work at we bought three 8gb cards for our camera and I think we paid around $1200 each this time last year. This had more to do with the product and market then the actually cost of the product IMO when it comes to P2 cards.

      So people talking about other flash memory they can get for dirt cheap, you're talking about different product intended for a different market.
  • maverex, on 10/23/2007, -8/+25http://www.duggmirror.com
  • zaii7, on 10/24/2007, -17/+13.14159276
    • MonarchWastxD, on 10/23/2007, -5/+5WRONG! You get FAIL. 3.1415926536...
      • manitoba98xp, on 10/23/2007, -3/+13.141592653589793... (and no, I did not Google it)
    • laaabaseball, on 10/23/2007, -4/+1Pi = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751....thats all I got..
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    • ssttuu, on 10/24/2007, -1/+4For us simpletons in the real world we just use 22/7 it's close enough
  • samgab, on 10/27/2007, -3/+18For "Digg compliance" shouldn't this title read: "Top Five reasons why the iPod Touch disappoints" ?
  • ericdano, on 10/27/2007, -24/+19Bitch, moan, complain........nothing to read here. Move along.
    • thatsmyaibo, on 10/23/2007, -7/+8You know the deal. Make a list about something ridiculous = front page of digg.
      • LeeSoong, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1apple can read these digg requests, and fix/add most of them in software.

        the missing pic-bridge usb cable photo printing could be done in software , but bluetooth missing is a big oops.
  • steveoco, on 10/24/2007, -14/+7Apple really is starting to loose it's edge after an almost flawless last couple years...
    http://kokshoor.com/opinion/Apple_products_are_mad ...
    • gnyd, on 10/23/2007, -5/+7So, Apple is continually bringing out better products? How is that something to complain about?
      • bingo000, on 10/23/2007, -5/+4I mean iPod touch and an iPhone! How much more would you want to milk the cow? and whats up with iPod classic? G5 with a new software? Nothing amused me since the iPod G5 and until the release of Leopard!
        • rspeed, on 10/26/2007, -2/+2Uh. New software, smaller profile, scratch-proof screen and double the capacity. The CPUs are apparently a good deal faster as they're having trouble getting Cover Flow to work on 5G iPods.
      • mrsteveman1, on 10/23/2007, -1/+2It's something to complain about when they aren't made well enough to last beyond the unveiling of the next big thing.....
    • AnthonyA7, on 10/23/2007, -10/+6It's LOSE not LOOSE, *****. Go back to third grade.
  • theShiba, on 10/24/2007, -8/+4Good points, terrible article.
  • LeifErikson8, on 10/23/2007, -16/+9You forgot to add "Its an Apple Product"

    /Prepares the castle for the fanboy bombards!
    • kjk437, on 10/24/2007, -3/+20Why can't people just enjoy products from all companies... I use my Apple iPod touch with Shure headphones on my Dell laptop running Microsoft Vista... I'm happy with all 4 companies for their respective products...
      • thatsmyaibo, on 10/24/2007, -3/+13Agreed. The diggsters have a one track mind sometime. Apple, XBOX 360, Democrats! ***** Sony, ***** Bush! Nobody else may have an opinion!
        • mrsteveman1, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Idiots don't have VALID opinions, everyone else does.
        • rivalius13, on 10/24/2007, -0/+5You forgot Ron Paul. Sorry, Dr. Paul.
      • Chritto, on 10/23/2007, -4/+0Wow, when I saw him write "/Prepares the castle for the fanboy bombards!" I didn't think anybody would be stupid enough to actually have a go at him.
        • afidler, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1i don't see any fanboy comments in the response to that.
      • rdoger6424, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Kill the fourth and I would be too
        (except for me it's like streaming music from iTunes on my mac mini to my xbox 360 connected to a sony TV)
  • kjk437, on 10/27/2007, -5/+26I own a touch, and for the most part, I agree with the complaints about crashing. Granted, it's a new device, but bugs as severe as those should have been worked out. There are a couple of points on which I disagree, however:

    1.) Backtracking through the UI has never been an issue. The writer doesn't explicitly state what problems he's having, but most (if not all) menus are just a couple of subsections deep. They also have convenient buttons on the top of the screen to navigate. I don't see this as an issue.

    4.) I agree, terrible out of box, but that's what jailbreaking is for. ;)

    5.) While I'd like to see a higher capacity, it was absolutely imperative for Apple to install flash memory for the lack of moving parts and battery consumption. The device sucks power as it is with wifi enabled and music playing, a hard drive would only have compounded the issue.

    What's interesting is that several of the more valid complaints are missing from this list. External volume buttons has been mentioned, but that was just silly not to include. No flash support is a big minus. Tower defense would be oh so nice in Math 209 some days. ;) Another big issue is the chrome back. The iPhone's was fine. Now I have a scratchy mess from nothing but normal use.

    Is the touch perfect? Absolutely not, but it has great potential and is an extremely solid device already.

    Plus, everyone loves a good jailbreak... I'm so glad I did that, at the very least.
    • r3zonance, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3"I own a touch, and for the most part, I agree with the complaints about crashing."

      If you Jailbroke your touch, that is why it's crashing. Mine didn't start crashing (except for the very rare Safari crash) until I jailbroke it and installed some thrid party apps (in particular Summerboard appears to be the main offender).
      • kr3mliyn, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Sorry r3zonance, but I'm gonna have to go right ahead and disagree with you there.

        My touch had a problem with crashing when browsing music, shuffling and Safari (all too common) way before a Jailbreak was available (I purchased mine official UK launch, waited in line and everything a day after it was supposed to be available!).
        Jailbreak definitely hasn't made it any more stable; but all 1.1.1 firmwares have a TIFF exploit in them, so I'm not TOO worried about that just yet.
  • fatadamblog, on 10/23/2007, -4/+4But PLEASE won't you think of the HACKING potential!
    • LeeSoong, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1none -touch battery life with wi-fi on = zzz.

      apple, please stop making things slim at the cost of usability.
      wireless and video drain the touch dead far too quickly...

      what's next, paper thin with a 3 minute run time ?

      go ahead and make it 2 mm thicker with 2 hours more run time.
  • brucebeh, on 10/24/2007, -6/+19WIRELESS MUSIC SYNCHRONIZATION!!!!!! Please apple!!!
    • mic159, on 10/23/2007, -4/+9so basically u want apple to copy the zune? LOL
      • Twee, on 10/24/2007, -6/+4OMG LIEK TEH ZUNE IS LOL!!!
      • Kelmon, on 10/23/2007, -2/+4Er, yes. Not exactly rocket science, is it? In much the same way that Zune 1 should have had this functionality the iPod Touch also should have included this. Add WiFi functionality and I expect my iPod to sync with my computer since that's a function I can use daily. Certainly useful with a laptop since otherwise I need to attach cables.
        • r3zonance, on 10/24/2007, -0/+4But if you attach cables, you gain power, rather than sapping it dry with a (slower) wireless connection.
      • HornyGoat, on 10/23/2007, -2/+1The Zune requires connection to a power outlet for the wireless syncing to work. What kind of wireless syncing do you call that?
        • rspeed, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Wirelesque.
        • phronko, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1I thought it only AUTOMATICALLY syncs when connected to a power source. You can manually do it with battery power.

          The alternative would be to always automatically sync, which would have the potential to corrupt data when the batteries run out. It'd be nice if it was smart enough to know if it has enough battery juice to sync, though.
    • fiskintl, on 10/23/2007, -3/+2how can they copy something that copied themselves. PARADOX. its like googling google, the universe emplodes.
    • modusop, on 10/23/2007, -3/+2Too slow - moving small files to the thing via wifi (sftp) is not as fast as would be acceptable for moving big stuff like movies and music.
      • Chritto, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1That's a good point, it'd take 3+ hours to sync your library most likely. Though, if you'd just added a single CD recently, I can see where it might be nice, at 3-4seconds per song.
      • mrsteveman1, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3Yes since we cant sync the entire library instantly over wireless, lets just leave the feature out completely.

        Normally syncing would be done with the device in a dock when people aren't using it anyway...
    • rollerz, on 10/23/2007, -1/+2Why would you want wireless music synchronization? So you can drain the battery while you put more songs on your iPod? That really doesn't make any sense.

      How about something like "Wirless Music Streaming" so you can send music from the iPod to AirTunes, or to a computer.
    • lenny4422, on 10/23/2007, -1/+1Cupertino start your copiers!
    • nuudles, on 10/23/2007, -0/+0As I use Linux as my primary OS, wireless syncing is actually the only way I can sync with my iPod Touch. The proprietary protocol for communicating with the Touch hasn't been duplicated yet for Linux, so the only way I can have access to the filesystem is via SSHFS. The latest libgpod SVN works with the Touch, so I can now get music/videos onto the touch wirelessly (though for the larger videos I do wish it worked with the faster USB cable).
    • bipher, on 10/23/2007, -0/+0I totally agree with you but do you think anyone at Apple, or anyone who has a proper job anywhere else for that matter, really wastes any time reading this shower's comments on Digg?
    • aduzik, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Hmm... I don't understood the fascination with wireless sync. You still have to be near your computer to sync. If you're out and about, I can see how it would be nice not to have to carry one more cable, but is it really that important to be able to change up your music while you're already on the go?
      Plus, 95% of the time I sync my iPod when I need to charge it anyway. Also, 400 Mbps USB 2.0 is much faster than 54 Mbps WiFi.
      I agree with rollerz that wireless music streaming would be cool -- like the Internet radio feature from iTunes on an iPod -- but it would drain the battery rapidly.
  • bingo000, on 10/23/2007, -11/+3Apple no doubt made its mark in the last 5 years. However I am starting to sniff a marketing monopoly hiding behind the tree!
    • ronmexico, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1What the hell is a marketing monopoly?
  • bingo000, on 10/23/2007, -11/+5Apple no doubt made its mark in the last 5 years. However I am starting to sniff a marketing monopoly hiding behind the tree!
  • sigafoo, on 10/24/2007, -12/+39) it's not an iPhone
  • fugazied, on 10/23/2007, -8/+5No Wi-fi. With the low storage, I was still interested in getting one if it could sync with my 80GB Music collection via wi-fi. It doesn't do it so I won't be buying it. When they release a 32gb+ version I'll grab one.
    • yensed, on 10/24/2007, -3/+5Then go with the Zune.
    • jivemasta, on 10/24/2007, -3/+10Why is wifi sync such a big deal? How hard is it to plug something in. If you are close enough to do a wifi sync, you are close enough to get your lazy ass up and plug it in. Besides, it's gonna kill battery life like none other.
      • Murdats, on 10/23/2007, -3/+2your right, and who needs computers except for lazy people?
        just grab a phone/write a letter/grab out some giant spreadsheets for all your calculations/use books for information
      • mrsteveman1, on 10/23/2007, -2/+0Yes, you can then also plug a CAT-5e ethernet cable in to use the internet as well, since we wouldn't want to be lazy......

        idiot
    • TerekKincaid, on 10/23/2007, -0/+380 GB over wi-fi? I don't think the battery would last long enough to try and sync that; you'd have to plug it in anyway. It's long enough to sync via USB cable anyway, why would you want to take it longer?
      • Tippis, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Because you don't need to sync the entire 80GB every time. Maybe you just need that one last file that you forgot.
        It's basically just another option that adds a ton of flexibility with a minimum of modification.
    • xero9, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Here's my question about wifi sync.. Don't you need to change your playlist on your computer for it to sync new ***** anyway? So while you're at your computer making the changes, just plug it in!
      And for me personally, as a MBP user, the damn thing goes to sleep every time I close it (which is anytime I'm not beside it), so I couldn't sync due to my computer being asleep.
      I just don't see this being too useful in the long run
  • kotatsu, on 10/23/2007, -2/+13My personal biggest gripe is how it will always lock itself out after a few minutes, meaning you have to double click home, or use the slide unlock just to pause your music... Pretty cumbersome.

    The only alternative is to completely turn off the lock, which leaves the screen with backlight permanently turned on.
    • xero9, on 10/24/2007, -0/+6Double click home and tap pause.. No need to slide to unlock.
      All this depends on you using 1.1.1 though.

      Also, unplugging and then replugging in headphones will automatically pause, if you wanted to go down that road
      • kotatsu, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Yeah I know about the double tap then pause, but compare that to a regular iPod - one click pauses the music, but a Touch takes 3 clicks.

        Why not just let the backlight on the screen go off after a few minutes (as it does on a regular iPod), but leave the display on and activated. Then I can just tap pause in one click. By all means have the lock in there for people that want it, but personally speaking, I don't.
    • aduzik, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1The iPod touch really should have come with earbuds more like the iPhone earbuds -- a little button on one wire you click once to play/pause and double-click to skip to the next song. Even though they're not great headphones, they're easily the most useful accessory included with the iPhone.
  • yensed, on 10/24/2007, -5/+4If your iPod touch is acting buggy and crashing, Its time to reboot it. The longer it goes without a full reboot, the more buggy it seems to get over time. It really is a solid device and I wouldn't trade it for any other player currently available.
    • Murdats, on 10/23/2007, -3/+3lol, ipod users have to reboot their media player all the time
    • mrsteveman1, on 10/24/2007, -1/+5"The longer it goes without a full reboot, the more buggy it seems to get over time. It really is a solid device"

      I think you should look into this contradiction problem you have
  • amneosis, on 10/23/2007, -14/+7You know what makes me laugh - the subhuman scum who take an amazing piece of engineering that might as well have come from the ***** future/ aliens and pick holes in it while their own ***** website crashes.
    • Murdats, on 10/24/2007, -6/+3the ipod isnt that great, infact its fairly average compared to the compeittion, it has 2 things going for it; marketing and the fact that its nearly your only choice in a lot of the world.
      • themuffinman, on 10/24/2007, -0/+6Well, that and it is the best-looking and has the best UI out of pretty much all mp3 players. Regardless of what you think, this actually counts for a lot of people. Note: I won't be buying a touch until they get the storage over 30 gb.
      • srg13, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Have you used one? I tried one out at a department store, and I was amazed. The interface is really cool, and it's really, really thin...

        And who out of it's competition has a full web browser?
  • fodi, on 10/23/2007, -7/+410) How do you change the volume in landscape (album art) view??
    11) Doesn't do portrait upside down. This means I always have the headphone cord at the base of my palm.
    12) NB: Not really an iPod issue: I can access my Gmail, but I have to type my password into that crappy keyboard. If I want it to remember my password, I need to either a)Leave my email accessible by anyone tha picks it up, or b)Use the iPod security and enter a passcode whenever I want to listen to a song.
    13) WiFi kills the battery something chronic. I'm talking 30mins of watching uTube..

    That's enough for now. I still love me pod.

    -fodi
    • vh1`, on 10/23/2007, -1/+8"12) NB: Not really an iPod issue: I can access my Gmail, but I have to type my password into that crappy keyboard. If I want it to remember my password, I need to either a)Leave my email accessible by anyone tha picks it up, or b)Use the iPod security and enter a passcode whenever I want to listen to a song."

      how is anyone supposed to help with this?
      • rdoger6424, on 10/23/2007, -1/+1turn off "remember password" on gmail?
    • vh1`, on 10/23/2007, -5/+1"12) NB: Not really an iPod issue: I can access my Gmail, but I have to type my password into that crappy keyboard. If I want it to remember my password, I need to either a)Leave my email accessible by anyone tha picks it up, or b)Use the iPod security and enter a passcode whenever I want to listen to a song."

      how is anyone supposed to help with this?
      • fodi, on 10/23/2007, -0/+0Well.. yeah.. that's why I said, "NB: Not really an iPod issue". Meaning... it's not iPod's fault... I don't really know how they can fix this. Here's one idea (make that 2):
        - Let the iPod keyboard take up more of the screen so the letters are more spaced out (less typos on passwords). YOu can't do anything else when you're using the keyboard anyway.
        - Umm... understanding that it's not just a music player, but used to access email, etc, how about a fingerprint scanner, or some other easy security mechanism.

        It's not for me to figure out, but I had two ideas
    • philz, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3Making a (mobile) device remember your passwords is a security risk - news at 11.
    • gowolverines, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1How about if you lose it, you change your email passwords so that the device can't access them. Not hard and you can stop complaining about typing your passwords.
  • ctony, on 10/28/2007, -9/+29Can people ever stop complaining. This is a brilliant device. You tell me how many music players you know that they have touchscreen, wi-fi, browser, video and they look as small thin and cool as the touch. My god everybody wants this and wants that. Some years ago you had an 8gb brick that played music in b&w screen and everybody was wow. What I am saying people were probably complaining then too. We so called tech people remind me of football fans, you score and you are the god and if you miss 5 mins later you are a looser.

    Take it easy. It's a device and it does much more than it should do.
    • tapezor, on 10/24/2007, -3/+7But it crashes... all the time...
      Browse safari while listening to the ipod for more than 10 minutes a day, and at least the ipod, or safari (if not both) will crash on a regular basis. It's nice to have all the nice looks, but hardly "brilliant" in the fact that it isn't stable.
      • ctony, on 10/24/2007, -2/+4I agree it does crash sometimes but not that often. I have the touch now for 3 weeks and I had probably 2 crashes in safari when I accessed some heave weight websites. Music player and video never crashed. I just believe that although it's part of the iPod family which is out now for many years this is totally new technology so bugs and fixes are expected at least for a couple of firmware updates. I might have been the lucky one so I try not to be absolute but mine isn't crashing and I do listen to music a lot and I used it at a trip as video player for 4-5 hours.
      • IEatHamburgers, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Stop browsing Digg on it and you won't have your music quit on you with Safari, trust me :P
    • TheSpider, on 10/23/2007, -1/+2I don't think it's so much of a complaint as much as it is the knowledge that it most of the features we want can be added via a software change or modification. The complaints are so hard pressed because these features could be supported by third party applications if they were allowed. I doubt people would be so apt to complain about apple if the included applications also worked as intended. I'm sure most of the problems will be fixed in the upcoming updates.
    • Grimdotdotdot, on 10/24/2007, -3/+6"You tell me how many music players you know that they have touchscreen, wi-fi, browser, video and they look as small thin and cool as the touch."
      My phone did all that a couple of years a go.
      • ctony, on 10/23/2007, -1/+2Could you let me know which phone is this?
        • Tippis, on 10/23/2007, -1/+2Just about any one of the upper-range Nokias and SEs.
      • r3zonance, on 10/23/2007, -1/+2And did it have a nice fluid user interface (cos the HTC touch doesn't have multi-touch [the multi is the key bit] and the interface is very clunky speedwise).
    • Spor, on 10/23/2007, -1/+2If you don't like complaining the internet really isn't for you. It's what people do here
    • RadicalEdward, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3Not to mention this is how people get inspired to add new features. If we all just took what we were given and never demanded more, there wouldn't be innovation anymore.
    • aduzik, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1No, it is definitely an amazing device. However, they've got some serious bugs to work out. There's no reason Mobile Safari and iPod should crash as often as they do. After all, it is primarily a music player. Stability FTW!
  • TheSpider, on 10/23/2007, -2/+3Overall I have been happy with the iPod Touch. AT&T does not service my area, and money is too tight to risk hacking the device so this was a good alternative. The only thing that people haven't touched on here that I have noticed is the lack of accessories in major stores. (Best Buy, etc. Not all of us live with in 100 miles of an apple store.) I had to cut a clear protective transparent sheet to replace the packing plastic sheet after not being able to locate a proper accessory. I also was disappointed with the changing of the pin output for external video playback.

    I know this was asked before but has someone found out how to change the volume during audio playback when the iPod is rotated on its side? Do you think this will be addressed during the next update?
    • lickmygiggle, on 10/23/2007, -1/+1Agreed. I'm getting sick of looking for a case thats not made out of ***** leather.
  • diggfish, on 10/23/2007, -2/+2They didn't go out to try and make the best possible music player they could make, like they did in the past. It's an iPhone with the phone functionalities ripped out, its there to fill a gap in the marked. Its not even their best effort at making a portable music player, and that must be the biggest dissapointment of them all.
  • robphillips, on 10/24/2007, -4/+15Is anyone else pissed that the iPod Touch, and iPhone's iPod does not have a "lyrics" section or extensive ID3 tag readouts?
    • ctony, on 10/23/2007, -1/+2That's something I have to agree is really missing. Won't change my life but it makes sense to have it.
    • REBELinBLUE, on 10/24/2007, -0/+7Yeah I'm annoyed that they've removed things that the lower end iPods have, namely lyrics, playlists as alarms and playlist folders (latest models only)/
      • john570, on 10/23/2007, -2/+2Lyrics? Are you kidding me?
        • 68024, on 10/23/2007, -3/+1Yeah, and a little pink microphone so you could sing along too. That's really something that's missing...
        • REBELinBLUE, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2No I'm not kidding you, the older models have lyrics, the top of the range model doesn't, that is stupid. Lyrics I don't/won't use myself, but the other two features I would use. Do you not think it is ridiculous to leave out features from the top model that the lower end models have.

          Just because you and I have no use for it, it doesn't mean that others don't.
    • r3zonance, on 10/23/2007, -2/+1Wow lyrics, why?

      So I can do Karaoke?
    • kr3mliyn, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Highly pissed! It'd be interesting to see how it's implemented in the future.
  • DOGPARTY, on 10/23/2007, -8/+1MOON ON A ***** STICK
  • ximon, on 10/24/2007, -1/+7- No integrated speaker - seems a shame to have such a (relatively) big screen and not be able to share it.
    - No email etc. - I understand taking out the phone-related apps, but email, weather etc would still work over wifi (luckily there's the jailbreak).
    - No hardware volume controls - can't be fixed by a software update, but an earlier poster's idea of pinching to change the volume is genius and would allow for in-pocket action.
    - 'Open in new tab' would be nice in Safari, I have a javascript for this but it's a bit clunky, I'm sure there's a more elegant way to accomplish this.
    • ximon, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Oh yeah, and all the stuff that even my 1G nano had that the touch doesn't: notes, lyrics, disk mode...
      • r3zonance, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1It's obvious why they haven't got disk mode. Make it harder to hack (i.e. requires something along the lines of a buffer overflow initiated in the web browser). And even then you still don't get a disk.
  • TheTrueAPlus, on 10/23/2007, -3/+1www.duggmirror.com
  • motheroats, on 10/23/2007, -7/+12I HATE THE CHROME BACK!!!!!!
  • teamparadox, on 10/23/2007, -3/+1I've had a 30 gig ipod 5g since it came out and I've never used more then 8 gigs so his last complaint isnt an issue for me. I have a couple thousand songs and some videos on my ipod at all times. I cant see myself using more then 16 gigs ever.

    Im hoping to get the touch as a xmas present as I dont REALLY need a new ipod. Oddly my 5g's battery is still as strong as ever and the player has no visible damage despite me not using any other case then the white sleeve it came with.

    I would get an iphone but im not willing to switch providers, even if i wasnt in contract i would never used AT&T. I also wont bother with unlocking because of past precedent with updates breaking them. Its just not worth the risk.
  • indyGuy, on 10/23/2007, -0/+4The touch is my first ipod, and I love it. Multi-touch and wifi were the two features that made this a must have for me. I have no history with the product line and things like "no external volume control" and "lack of flash support" don't bother me one bit.

    I have thought of a few features I'd like to have - things that my 3-year old crappy FREE phone has - but I keep reminding myself that I bought this to listen to music, play videos, and read TEXT on the web (gmail, news, digg).

    Yes, iTunes is clunky on windows, no I haven't seen my touch crash. And, no, I don't think apple screwed me. I knew what features the touch had when I bought it and I don't expect more out of it.
  • znicket, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2I´m concerned about the wifi bit. I plan on buying the iPod Touch mainly for being able to access the web at internet cafes and other hotspots. Now, some of those spots charge by the hour and I need to insert username and password each time. Will that be a problem for me?
  • Crustibooga, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Bahhhhh! I'm not so far having problems even jailbreaked (jailbroke?). Anyways I'm happy. Yes it's not perfect, but it's pretty bloody cool for a version 1!
  • seraph582, on 10/23/2007, -0/+7
    Five iPod Touch Disappointments
    ipod touch slide to wake

    After playing with the iPod touch for just under a month now, along with some positive things I've discovered about the device, I've also come across a few things which bug me to no end. Lets take a look.
    1. Backtracking Through The UI Is Difficult

    The new UI of the iPod touch is truly amazing. Every little detail has had immaculate attention paid to, however the new user interface is causing a few hiccups when I'm trying to back track through screens. Simply put, there's no "simple" way to get back to a particular screen on the iPod touch unless you head straight back to the main menu - it feels like you have to dig your way out of a large hole to get back to where you want to go.

    Then has been made easier by the new feature allowing you to double tap on the home button to bring up player controls, but it hasn't totally eliminated the problems.
    2. Frequent Safari Crashes

    This is one of the most frustrating things I've had to put up with, the frequency of Safari crashes. I've often found myself browsing the web when the browser closes and takes me back to the home screen.

    I've noticed a trend of more frequent crashes happening on image heavy web-pages, however it's also happened while entering text in fields on forums/blogs - frustrating having to type out again.
    3. iPod Is Frequent To Crash

    Along with frequent Safari crashes, on occasion I've also had to put up with the iPod touch crashing while scrolling through music - sending me back to the home screen. This happens very frequently when I'm in the shuffle songs mode in a large playlist. It's annoying to say the least.
    4. Lack Of Data Input Capabilities

    As mentioned in a recent article, with the iPod touch you’re restricted to just browsing the web and adding contacts. With the iPhone, you're able to take notes, add contacts, write emails, browse the web, and add calendar events. In a perfect world, I’d like to have seen both the Notes and Mail applications included on the iPod touch.

    I'm hoping the lack of these features will be smoothed over in future Apple software updates.
    5. Storage Limitations

    Although I've overcome this issue by creating some great smart playlists, the storage limitation of the iPod touch is something we're still having to deal with. Next year the issue will start to fade away as 32 and 64GB SSD drives are cheaper for Apple to use in their products - for now, 8 and 16GB doesn't quite cut it for most.
    • asancho, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Wait isnt point #4 moot now because of apples software update and their newly founded support of web apps?
  • lecorbu, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1now with the sdk, ieye is possible. Check out the concept

    http://www.createthefuturecontest.com/pages/view/e ...
    • halik, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1PATENT PENDING?!?!?!

      They had that same stupid idea for my Ericsson t68i phone 5 years ago
  • jdog2050, on 10/23/2007, -2/+1well this is an appropriate thread as, not only am I on a touch right now, but I just posted the same gripes on cnet.com today for a user review.

    Wifi: finicky is not the word. Chaotic is much more appropriate.
    Safari: weak on the mac,worse on the touch. Same problems minus flash and java.
    The menus:what you guys are missing is that coverflow and vertical scrolling flat out don't match.
    Buttons: absence of one tactile button is ridiculous.
    OS: its an insult to put a 500mb OS on such a small HDD and not let me manipulate it. I'm not even talking about jailbreak; why can't I move the buttons around?
    minor stuff: no ff or review slider? Excuse me?

    All of this is on cnet under jdog2050
  • cgehring, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3The fact that this guy is complaining that 8 and 16gigs isn't large enough for him really makes you wonder how big he thought that was when he bought it. I though it wasn't enough storage for me, so I got an 80gig classic for less. Someone should let him know Apple has a whole line of different iPods.
  • Haecceity, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1I love my iPod Touch, but I've love it more if I could do more data entry so I could add appointments to the calendar. And *please* Apple add some kind of notes feature. It also doesn't sync calendar to-do's, which is a bummer. I use those for notes as well. It does include notes for contacts in the address book so I'm having to set up fake contacts in my address book and carry notes around that way. It's almost embarrassing.

    I've *never* had the iPod crash or had Safari crash.

    Lack of space has been an issue (I have the 8GB model) but I knew what I was buying. It's not like Apple lied, and if they could have fitted more storage in there I'm sure they would have. I'm glad they didn't sacrifice slimness for increased storage capacity. But I wish I'd gone for 16GB.
  • vickers500, on 10/24/2007, -1/+2The only thing stopping me from buying one, is the ***** hard drive capacity.
    • AZTriGuy, on 10/23/2007, -0/+3Um, try no hard drive capacity. Runs on flash memory, not hard drive.
  • jstene, on 10/24/2007, -3/+3
    Five iPod Touch Disappointments
    ipod touch slide to wake

    After playing with the iPod touch for just under a month now, along with some positive things I've discovered about the device, I've also come across a few things which bug me to no end. Lets take a look.
    1. Backtracking Through The UI Is Difficult

    The new UI of the iPod touch is truly amazing. Every little detail has had immaculate attention paid to, however the new user interface is causing a few hiccups when I'm trying to back track through screens. Simply put, there's no "simple" way to get back to a particular screen on the iPod touch unless you head straight back to the main menu - it feels like you have to dig your way out of a large hole to get back to where you want to go.

    Then has been made easier by the new feature allowing you to double tap on the home button to bring up player controls, but it hasn't totally eliminated the problems.
    2. Frequent Safari Crashes

    This is one of the most frustrating things I've had to put up with, the frequency of Safari crashes. I've often found myself browsing the web when the browser closes and takes me back to the home screen.

    I've noticed a trend of more frequent crashes happening on image heavy web-pages, however it's also happened while entering text in fields on forums/blogs - frustrating having to type out again.
    3. iPod Is Frequent To Crash

    Along with frequent Safari crashes, on occasion I've also had to put up with the iPod touch crashing while scrolling through music - sending me back to the home screen. This happens very frequently when I'm in the shuffle songs mode in a large playlist. It's annoying to say the least.
    4. Lack Of Data Input Capabilities

    As mentioned in a recent article, with the iPod touch you’re restricted to just browsing the web and adding contacts. With the iPhone, you're able to take notes, add contacts, write emails, browse the web, and add calendar events. In a perfect world, I’d like to have seen both the Notes and Mail applications included on the iPod touch.

    I'm hoping the lack of these features will be smoothed over in future Apple software updates.
    5. Storage Limitations

    Although I've overcome this issue by creating some great smart playlists, the storage limitation of the iPod touch is something we're still having to deal with. Next year the issue will start to fade away as 32 and 64GB SSD drives are cheaper for Apple to use in their products - for now, 8 and 16GB doesn't quite cut it for most.
  • imbetterthanu, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2My wife just picked up a 16 Gig Touch to replace her 2 Gig Nano over the weekend. So far I've been impressed with it. The only gripe I have is the lack of firewire support. From what I understand Apple ditched firewire support for iPods.
    • 80hd, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1Firewire hasnt been around since the oldschool minis IIRC
      • imbetterthanu, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Hrm. I never used her Nano as I have my old 40 Gig 3G iPod w/ firewire support. Now that I've ripped a couple DVDs of ours to throw on her iPod, firewire sure would have been nice.
  • yagotmeseruchi, on 10/24/2007, -3/+2The complaints of Rev A early adopters carry no weight.
  • rwmacdonald, on 10/24/2007, -0/+3Every iPod has been deliberately handicapped for the sake of ease of use. It is obviously Apple's vision not to have a PDA/music player, but to have a music player that has a few tricks. Jobs will not add substantial new features for free after the first batch or two have rolled out, as made clear by the other generations of iPods.
  • Apreche, on 10/29/2007, -1/+3NO PODCAST WIFI
    • Jangles, on 10/23/2007, -0/+1just download mobilecast. I get all my podcasts wifi like that.

      I am more concerned with hardware issues than software for this thing at this point.
  • CosmicM, on 10/24/2007, -2/+2My sister got an 8 GB touch mostly because she is an idiot and dropped her nano in a lake. Even though she has like 200 songs, she had to have the new thing. That is not what matters though, gripes about the product.

    I really dont think that making it EXCLUSIVELY touch is a very good idea. Sure the GUI is great and coverflow is nice, but i would rather scroll though my record covers using a regular clickwheel, having to navigate with your fingers alone is just inefficient. On past models, you could get through the largest of libraries and find what you want in the blink of an eye because the clickwheel was fast yet precise.

    Also the lack of external volume buttons is inexcusable, I like reaching into my pocket and making my ipod louder or softer, having to pull it out grows tiresome quite quickly.

    I guess my point is, the new UI is great, i just dont like the idea of no buttons.
    • srg13, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1Where do you propose you put a clickwheel??? One of the best things about the touch is the massive screen, and reducing the size would mess up a lot of features like web browsing...
      • LeeSoong, on 10/24/2007, -0/+1pop up virtual click wheel 'hud'.

        scroll , tap, tap. song plays -album cover displays - click wheel vanishes.
  • norbiu, on 10/23/2007, -0/+2Your server is a disappointment!
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