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- stlcadet11, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Time of death: 8:56 CDT
- flipmeat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11If only Apple had some kind of web site where you could get this information... on some kind of Internet! Great Scott, that's it!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Just go to Apple.com to get the intro videos to the new features. Gizmodo doesn't know anything.
- roywaits, on 02/02/2008, -0/+6$499.00
- fanboydcs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I wonder if they are going to use this new codec to distribute HD 720p content on itunes one day? a AppleTv and itunes would be the cheapest way to get HDTV to the TV and I could see this beating blueray and HD-DVD in the war since it would already have more movie content available.
Plus no one I know has 1080p tvs, only 720p which would give the appletv an advantage.. - gulpy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+810 bucks says that Mindris has never even used a Mac before...
- everybod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I agree - It's main coolness is its ability to crunch HDTV video down to real sizes.
- Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not a chance.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If ProRes is so effecting at compressing HDTV streams, just imagine what it could do to a normal TV rip. Episodes of South Park and Heroes @ 10MB with no noticable loss in quality ftw.
My guess is ProRes is designed around high quality input that can "vectorize" -- I'm guessing that has a relationship to fractal compression (which was way cool and the best compression tech but suffered from bad marketing). So noisy video is not going to get any benefit and perhaps not even compress as well as Divx or my favorite 3ivx. However, that episode of South Park might do well -- have to see.
The other issue is ProRes422 is not a delivery codec, but a production codec. The 422 color space is for high-quality editing -- not designed to crunch quality for size. - yabos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Add to that that I think, just going by what I've read, that they might mean you get HD video at the size of SD DV, not any other compressed thing like MPEG4 or DivX which is lossy compression. SD DV is still HUGE compared to lossy codecs.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3If ProRes is so effecting at compressing HDTV streams, just imagine what it could do to a normal TV rip. Episodes of South Park and Heroes @ 10MB with no noticable loss in quality ftw.
- yabos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is that a joke? PFFT.
- mejason69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wonder if in the DVD Studio 4 when they say export to HD DVD means both bluray and HD DVD or just HD DVD??? I think appls was on the bluray side right???
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1That much hacking for an APPLE user?
that's comedy - VitriolAndAngst, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think this is a very solid upgrade.
In no particular order, here are my thoughts:
>> I like the multi-resolution multi-codec inclusion without re-compressing. I even mentioned to another buddy; "Hey, I wish they could have the format derived from just dragging in a video clip to the time-line." I never sent that comment in -- they read my mind! It doesn't include MPEG2 support in that list, however.
>> ProRes422 will make HD do-able for most editors. Especially with a laptop. This is a big deal for people wanting to start working in HD.
>> I don't know if ProRes422 requires the AJA converter for $3500 or not -- I understand it's for HD up and down-conversion, but could you do without it? It might take a long time to convert otherwise -- no telling.
>> Glad compressor finally has some quality improvements. This has been sorely missing for a while.
>> Slightly off topic; The Apple TV output in Compressor is useful -- but that Apple TV needs a loop function so that it becomes the killer Kiosk device. Maybe something that would allow it to interface with a camera or touch screen, or a nice mounting interface for the remote that makes it look like part of a Kiosk. The Apple TV is a scaled down Mac Mini -- it has the complete OS X derived from Leopard. It certainly could be hacked.
>> For top-end folks, the Red camera's integration with FCS 2 may be what makes the deal over Avid. The Red camera has a 444 color space, and like 4k plust image -- it finally challenges film in many areas. That is a big deal.
>> Like the animate to audio feature in Motion. Well done.
>> Motion kind of looks like a poor mans Paint Box now. Use a tablet to paint on the screen in real time and animate any property and use the motion path and change which property it animates -- nice.
>> The Re-timer is easier to use -- will be sufficient and quickly get the job done 95% of the time. I'm sure the keyframe ability is still there if you need more control. Seems to be doing some magic to make things just look right.
>> The Smooth Camera is some nice magic. Lot's of well-implemented features that have enough smarts coupled with user control. 95% of the time, this feature will do the job right and do it fast -- that other 5% will require another app like After Effects. They seem to have a lot of really powerful and time saving features that are going to really get used. Same thing with Motion, it will do 90% of the things you want to do most of the time that would take ten times longer in After Effects. Not that After Effects isn't greatly improved now -- it's just that you won't need it for the bread and butter in normal edits and for normal "eye candy" but just for some labor intensive custom work. But if you bill by the project and the customer is happy -- yeah, this upgrade will make you money.
>> I will use the 3D changes in Motion a lot. I'm hoping that those editable FX are Quartz, and that I can use some of that in Quartz Composer. I'm having a lot of fun with this hidden gem in the Developer's tools for Kiosks. I'm considering Motion for doing real-time presentations at events, but I've been really wanting Leopard to come along with some updates to Core image and the Quartz Composer feature set (like being able to easily add 3D objects and getting Motion particles into Quartz -- are they compatible now?). There is a hack that allows you to turn 3D Studio objects into "code" that then allows the 3D image to be used in a Quartz Composition -- which means you could then put it in Motion -- not easy for the layman, but it means that something like 3D Invigerator could come along -- really that's about all that Motion now lacks.
>> Speaking of Leopard; I think the upgrade to DVDSP and some other features like FCS 2 Extreme are dependent upon that. With this version -- I'm pretty sure that Core Video from Leopard will get installed, and that Tiger's Core Audio and Core Graphics will get an update. Those functions make the magic. HD DVD and Blue Ray have to get settled a bit before Apple jumps on it -- and that also is probably delaying any significant update to DVD SP. Not included but Color is -- to keep the price reasonable no doubt. However, I do need to make DVDs with menus all the time -- I'm hoping they have a bundle price for that when it arrives.
>> I like the "listen to noise" feature in SoundTrack Pro 2 -- not sure if this was in the latest update, but it definitley makes it easy to isolate noise in audio tracks.
>> The 5.1 sound fader is very cool, and I can already see how easy it is going to be to manipulate "dimensional" sound with a Scene. I expect that camera shots will track "after" a sound -- to really grab people's attention. Imagine a spear moving by an actor -- you just heard it an your ears identify that something shot behind your head off to the right. The camera pans quickly to see a quivering spear in a tree. This intuitive integration is going to make 5.1 ubiquitous and really used for good effect.
>> I like the Lift and Drop tool -- it has check boxes for WHICH settings you are going to transfer. In the previous FCP, you copied and pasted all filters, for instance. In this version, you see each filter named. I'm just hoping they give an option to "overright existing filter by name -- or add to existing filter by name" -- annoying to go through a hundred edits and pull out that extra Proc-Amp.
>> Integration looks awesome and well done. You don't miss a good titler in FCP now, because Motion does the job you want -- you concentrate on editing in FCP, and throw in a motion template and edit from there. It treats the various applications as "modes" -- but retains the specialization that makes one app better for the process. This definitely makes the suite more than the sum of its parts.
>> Could use some better Green-Screen keying. Perhaps just shelling out the $500 for Shake is worth that -- though I don't know if just doing keying in Shake is worth the learning curve for the two keying apps in there, or just get one of the dedicated plugins out there for this. I'd like a Mac hardware solution for green screen -- anyone know of any? - Trention, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I thought this would be a hands on, but it's just coverage of the keynote, not really a "first impression" of anything but the announcement.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@ fanboydcs,
Read up on some Apple TV hacks -- you can basically hook the Apple TV up to the mac in Target Disk Mode (not sure) or at least put the hard drive in something that can read it (2.5" case? the hack sites cover these things) -- and then you can add "any" codec that QuickTime supports. The Apple TV is a real headless mac. The problem is, that the device overwrites any changes to itself in case someone broke it so your hack won't last -- what you have to do is use another USB drive and duplicate the Apple TV disk image and edit the external copy -- then boot from that. And you can void warrantee (so make a clone image and store it somewhere).
So Apple could easily use this Codec for the Apple TV -- but the question is; would it work? The Apple TV is designed to do only a few functions hardware-wise, so it might not have good hardware to handle that particular codec -- no way to know until someone tries. It might be too processor intensive, or not suitable for the "good enough" low bandwidth of iTunes -- which would be brought to its knees right now if everyone were downloading 12 GB HD movies.
There is probably a good "flavor" of H.264 out there that will make its way to the Apple TV for high-quality content. I think Apple is holding off on providing content for really high quality, high bandwidth video for the marketplace to mature enough to justify the infrastucture. However, I think they should look at a Peer to Peer option for itunes, and allow users to cache encoded bits and to stream from multiple locations at one time (thuse perserving whatever DRM, but taking the load off of Apple's servers). Many iTunes users would probably give up a few Gigs of drive space in cache for an Apple PTP if it meant downloading bigger video files. Pando (forget name) uses this sort of technique to allow people to send gigabyte-sized files in their emails. The link looks at the Pando server, and then determines the user machines on the web that are on, that it stored parts of the files on -- they never actually store the whole file on their server, and most users don't need to have their computers on 24/7 (I guess because of redundancy).
As the compettitors to iTunes heats up, and the file sizes get bigger, it only makes sense that iTunes allows for some Peer to Peer file sharing. - Xyl3ne, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Okay, so I guess you know everyone in the world.
- roywaits, on 02/02/2008, -5/+2Purchased Final Cut Studio 1 month ago. Does anyone know what the upgrade cost is?
- robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1***** you. Don't tell me what to do.
- joeroot1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1W00000T, I GOT THE 20th POST 11!!11111!!
- stlcadet11, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4Mindris... take your worthless comments off of digg. You suck!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0Your Soul... (or monthly installments of the limbs of your firstborn child)
- roywaits, on 02/02/2008, -9/+2dig down
- Holyfool19, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1So.. I'm never going to buy a Mac, ever, but after having toyed with Final Cut Pro I have to say it's a fine program.
Any chance for a PC port now that we all run on the same CPU platform? - Ossuary, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3Hmmm, but what about Compressor? I wonder if it has a Flash video output. With all the YouTube nonsense, it would only make sense to add it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -13/+1it's over 9000!!!
- caliform, on 10/12/2007, -19/+1*****
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