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- Scotepi, on 10/11/2007, -1/+28I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been yet. Devs must be having to much fun looking at a iPhone Demo or other WWDC stuff.
- docmacdoc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+25Someone should seed this in their hotel room. While at WWDC :)
- threepio, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27Captain Hook? I know piracy runs in your blood, but really mate, stick to the high seas.
- zephc, on 10/11/2007, -4/+22In Finder, Go > Go to Folder (Command-Shift-G), then type in the UNIX path. It's been there for quite some time, since 10.3 at least. It even works when you have no Finder windows open and are just on the desktop.
- robbh66, on 10/11/2007, -2/+20This was there earlier:
"According to the ones that got the BETA of the upcoming OS for the Macintosh users (Leopard), there are some explanations to why the leaked version isnt out yet, well at least on public trackers. Apple has handed out several copyright agreements, which could lead to some "serious charges " witch makes "just uploading" a terrible risk to take while your IP could easily be tracked by the Apple guys. Few hours after the Beta was handed out at WWDC07, the leak was out at Demonoid.com and quickly vanished, so did the uploader. However, to the ones that cannot wait any longer, its coming. Trust us." - tngilmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19that would be a dumb ass move, Apple's only been selling Intel's for just over a year.
- thebrokenlight, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20That's not the new build.
- robbh66, on 10/11/2007, -5/+204.27 GB in 95 files. Torrent created 43.8 weeks ago
edit: thebrokenlight beat me to it. - corporalclegg24, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14macmate.org is just apublicity stunt. Dont waste your time.
- mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Command-Shift-G might be useful if you want to go to a particular location by typing it yourself (I'm assuming that this is the shortcut for the go to folder menu option, I'm not near a Mac) but quite often, if you're managing files with multiple windows, it'd be nice to actually see which one is which.
Say, for example, that you're working with files that exist in a replicated directory structure in your organisation, such as:
smb://server1/share/SOE/Programs
smb://server2/share/SOE/Programs
smb://server3/share/SOE/Programs
Now say that "server1" is the master copy from which files are replicated to the others on a regular basis. Now say that you want to edit a file on the master server so that whatever you do doesn't get overwritten by the copy on the master server whenever the replication occurs again. Without a location bar, being able to quickly tell which window is which is not possible. You have to click on the stupid button (assuming you've put it there yourself), make sure you have the right window, and just remember its screen location and pray that you don't get confused after working all day long with folders sharing similar/exact names.
In this scenario, the Mac Finder shows just how annoyingly DUMB for anybody but Grandma it truly is!
(oops, forgot to reply to previous comment... so sue me! :-) - moisie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Whereas Panther was a massive improvement on Jaguar both in terms of the backend and the more showy stuff that makes for a glossy demo, Tiger was perhaps more a refinement release, improvements to the backend but with enough showy things like spotlight so that they could really sell it. Leopard looks to be very much about integration, refinement and enhancement. All the little bit and pieces most likely make the whole thing great but it probably makes it that much harder to pick major points to easily show off. The thing is for developers so they wouldn't mind, but unlike with a lot of companies, the entire world is watching these kind of events from Apple.
Personally, I was very impressed but I'm not making any judgements until I can use it. It's not as if I'm gonna switch to windows or anything so when the time comes if I feel it isn't worth it I won't buy it. - letaalio, on 10/11/2007, -3/+10Actually it has one at the bottom of the Finder window
- dinkola, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7There is desktop icons - in the sense you still have the ability to clutter the desktop with your own icons. In one of the 'demos' hes drags a file from another machine onto the desktop of the machine in use. The file sits on the desktop till he drags it to the trash and deletes it.
The main differences is that the defaults for downloads/etc are no longer going to the desktop. - thecompkid, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Well, you're definitely not lying about the "first story" thing. You gotta' lot to learn, kid.
- magicmarc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6@letaalio, that is only in spotlight searches:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=3747356&postcount=48 - macaddct1984, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6A lot of trackers are very strict about not hosting Mac OS torrents.
MTKA, TorrentSpy, etc.. pull them down. - thehurricaneuk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5really looking forward to getting my hands on the new osx
admitadly the keynote preview was a little under whelming - im sure theres more to see tho, i mean another 290 features to see right....?
The more i see of screenshots of this, the new finder is worth the money alone. Am i right in seeing no desktop icons at all tho? Seems like a step backward, but i guess the dock can take this over so i guess its ok - defectDS, on 10/11/2007, -13/+17Umm... the Safari public beta is enough of a hassle when something goes wrong. I wouldn't want to risk an entire beta OS crashing.
Now releasing a private beta to ALL developers wouldn't have been a bad idea. - SVPirate, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Then you were under the wrong impression, dingus - Steve made the point of telling everyone it works on PPC and Intel so many times I during previews (oddly, apart from WWDC 07 but I think everyone got the message by then :) ).
- stevekeller, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8@Topher06
Yeah I guess that you are right... It's not like they added core animation, changed from the HFS file system to ZFS, or made the entire operating system 64 bit. Not to mention that ONE build runs on both 32 bit and 64 Intel AND Power PC computers.
Stick with your $400 copy of Windows Vista Ultimate. - moisie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Well they haven't actually switched to ZFS, but point still taken. There is a lot of underlying technology which will improve their own apps but also those of third parties. In addition, it should speed up the whole system, make better uses of resources and so on. This preview doesn't even begin to go into all the hundreds of little changes we'll see in apps such as preview, mail, safari and so on. There are always these little touches that don't really make for a good demo but which increase the quality of experience as a whole.
- abandonow, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6What stupid button? You know if you command-click the icon in the top midle of the window you get the path (in a way). You can even click your way down the hierarchy.
- rebotfc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4wow you guys just dont get it do you?
Say you have a mirrored remote file system and a local filesystem, to all intents and purposes the finder windows look identical untill you press the buttom to reveal the path trail.
However, consider the case where you are dragging a file to one of these windows, "oh ***** which one was the right finder window" now you have to drop the drag double check the finder windows, and re drag, very frusrating when if you could see the path without having to click a button it would be much easier. - unknowndomain, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Simply command click on the title of most windows including the finder for a path
- tngilmore, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4some people are saying the oink version was a fake (actually a vista ISO)
- eliomar, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4the beta take a dual layer dvd.
- mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2FFS, it's like arguing with a child who keeps saying "but why?" all the time. The path button is nothing but a cheap fix that's not good enough for anybody who has to do more than just shuffle a few photos around. Command-Shift-G is a nice-to-have but it's still no replacement for a decent location bar. No cheap workaround short of a location bar will ever be sufficient for the likes of myself who tend to do a lot of file management across multiple servers on a daily basis. Macs might be terrific for home users but for professionals who actually need to do file management outside their own home folders, it's pathetic.
- jeffburg, on 10/22/2007, -0/+2this argument may be really over... but the day apple puts in an address bar is the day the Mac OS dies. It is bad enough that the finder has all the junk around it already. luckily in tiger you can turn it off. I hope you can in leopard too. The spacial finder from OS 9 still kicks the ass out of Finder for X and windows explorer. It works how real life works. A folder can only be open in one window, it always remembers where you arrange stuff, it never ***** up like osx.
- mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@macparrot: Yes, it could show me the exact path all the way back to the parent, but do I want to have to scroll back and forth each and every
I want to distinguish one window from another? No way! The answer is to give the Finder a location bar and stop holding out on us! - superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Column view?
- fanas, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I agree with you steve ... but just to clarify, ZFS is not the default filesystem in Leopard, they are only including an option for large scale systems ... still, great improvements in this new iteration ... can't wait.
EDIT: I should have refreshed sooner ... moisie is right. - geraldb28, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@eliomar: If you have the image as opposed to the physical disc no dual layer requirements until you try to burn it to optical media, then, yeah dual layer's required. Apple's seed explain how to 'restore' the images to drive partitions without needing optical media at all. Just have to have the img file and you're good to go. Wish to hell they'd post 9A466 to ADC Select members... this blows!
- Creasybear2233, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Sounds good. I keep checking back for word...
- bobcrotch, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5Ohhhhh man can't wait for my co-worker to get back!
- crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yes.
- Creasybear2233, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Is there a forum or something keeping tabs on the Leopard release?
- klaur, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1what really, really, REALLY ticks me off the most, is that they (apple) would waste there time a resource making sure a "BETA" is not leaked onto the net for, if not all of us loyal mac users..... wait let me hold off for a sec, wasting there time stopping us, when those same people most likely ending up to read this same form and others like it, just to find hints of where, and what the next leek will be, could be instead taking notes on everything we say, and suggest, we are the "End Users" why would you not listen to _US_? apple??????? are we not your best clients??? sure we are willing to go to illegal means to grab a copy on-line, but really (beta*), through this form and other around, loyal mac users, and PC users alike (can't forget them, still same red blood, with a hit of green, blue and yellow lol j/j) have been critiquing OSX 10.5 just by looking at pictures, detailed info, hell wiki, the keynotes (if anyone wants to download, I'll give a link at the end) and been saying, the pros, the cons, different options, and opinions for a OS they cant even buy yet, and am personal just wanting to pre-order right now(why.... :( .....). Come on apple, 300+ improvements, are any of them from us? i have emailed them a few for 10.4, never got a reply (maybe am emailing the wrong place, any help would be thanked)
It scares me to even think that apple is just to full of themselves to know in the end all, we're still going to be there client's, really??? my family still uses windows, it kills me, and i wish i could say apple's a company, a software company that listens, won't that be a wonderful world?
Thanks all for listening,
Klaur
P.S. Links to download the WWDC2007 Keynotes, also including the iphone Keynotes and some other perhaps interesting on-line thou :( video's with apple in mind
http://www.applerumortracker.com/videos.html
thank-you, apple rumor tracker for brings us those links - wastern, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I'm interested to know how it runs on the older G4 machines. I want to move my Mom and sister over to Leopard in October, but don't want to do it if it'll run like crap
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3You can Command > Left Click the title of the window and get the path. You can also add a path button to Finder windows like letaalio mentioned.
- ventro, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2We probably won't have a real copy until after WWDC.
- mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4@coldfusion1970: you do realise that I'm talking about file management and not web browsing, don't you? Knowing where I am in a hierarchy is a universal need no matter what the operating system is. I must be missing something about the Mac but Apple seem to boast - and often - about how perfect and user-friendly their operating is, yet, this simple need is deliberately ignored because, for some bizarre reason, being able to easily determine a folder's location just isn't "appropriate" in Mac OS X? I'm almost speechless...
@Zorn: that path button is so lame I could puke - jdtanner, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Arghhh, the only blooming mainstream private tracker that I'm not registered with :-(
Hopefully it'll hit the 'Bay soon...
Best wishes,
JDT - selkie, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2To add on to the command+shift+G thing, you can use tab completion to get at your folders just like in the terminal.
It will even tab complete to hidden folders.
For example you can go
/Vol/Mac/usr/bi
To get to /Volumes/Macintosh HD/usr/bin
In situations where I know the name of the folder I'm moving to, I find I can navigate far quicker with the keyboard and tab completion than hunting and pecking on icons.
Then again, there's always quicksilver :) - crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Dingus?
- jakewhitlatch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0yeah i am... i was just being funny... well, i am 15, born 4/4/1992, ummmmm.... any more proof, how old did you think i was, 7??? haha, i know most 15 year olds dont say mommy, but look at the context "stupid mommy had to...." ok, well... it doesnt matter how old i am... and it doesnt matter if i get an invite to oink, im downloading it from piratebay now!!!
23 hours and 59 minutes left!!! - kris33, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4Wohoo. Out finally! On the private tracker OiNK!
- jakewhitlatch, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0THEPIRATEBAY.ORG search for 9A466!!! FINALLY
- MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're asking, but wouldn't "Column View" in a Finder Window show you the exact path all the way back to the parent?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2You guys are being really, really mean in your answers to a pretty simple question. If a complete stranger asks a question which you find dumb, do you punch that person in the shoulder and call them a dingus?
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