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- ExSlashdotter, on 10/31/2008, -7/+49Yes, Steve. Whatever you say, Steve.
- CraigStanton, on 10/31/2008, -1/+38It doesn't solve the lack of Target Disk mode. I'd rather find a quick and easy mount for the MacBook's drive
- SOS84, on 10/31/2008, -0/+36And Firewire is far less CPU intensive than USB.
- peteinakl, on 10/31/2008, -2/+34Yeah, because that'd be easier... WTF
- gr00vy, on 10/31/2008, -3/+31Because there isn't a 13" pro, and it would cost 700 bucks for a PORT. A port that had always been there. How about I buy a windows machine?
- brokenhope, on 10/31/2008, -3/+28Removing firewire was definitely stupid. I am not a MacBook user, or a Mac user for that matter, but honestly as soon as I discovered the usefulness of firewire I could NEVER go back to USB. I used to transfer video to my computer through the red white and yellow VCR input cords plugged into a USB device, which a program was able to eventually capture the signal input.
Firewire is much faster, no dropped frames, control over the device... etc...
USB I know you wont have the first or last, maybe they can prevent dropped frames...
but anyways, it is so cheap to implement and so important especially for video editing, why not just add it?
I guess they are pushing video editors to go MacBook Pro... - KSUdesigner, on 10/31/2008, -0/+22should've
- basye, on 10/31/2008, -9/+29Not a viable work-around because of speed.
If FW is needed because of data transfer only, just pop out the notebook HD and put it in an external case, since the new one is easily accessible. - ScottAG, on 10/31/2008, -1/+18Don't the white MacBooks have Firewire?
- dustinhoffman, on 10/31/2008, -3/+19KEEEP YOUR CURRENT COMPUTER OR BUY A MACBOOK PRO... It's not that hard!
- handheldchimp, on 10/31/2008, -0/+13Where it's going it doesn't need 12v...
- Fontzepontze, on 10/31/2008, -1/+13This thing looks like garbage. This won't help anyone with audio devices or an external hard drive. Has Apple even released a statement about the removal of firewire beyond the lame Jobs email?
- quidpro, on 10/31/2008, -4/+16firewire and sata are asynchronous. usb isn't. An adapter isn't going to be that great of a solution. That said, the most obnoxious Mac users are the ones who go on and on about firewire...but have no idea what makes it different.
- l800LEMMINGS, on 10/31/2008, -2/+14i don't think they should of cut firewire, especially since macs are often used for media projects and a lot of media devices utilize the firewire port. They should of waited for usb 3.0 to be out before they made the cut so if you do need to switch a device to make it compatible, its a step forward not a step back.
- SnowBladerX, on 10/31/2008, -1/+12Agreed, anyone who has ever used Target Disk mode will understand how much a lost it is.
Nothing like taking a bran new MacBook and making it identical and operational for under 5$ (cost of a cheapy firewire cable) and about a hour of waiting. - HamNCheese, on 10/31/2008, -2/+13And if I want a smaller form factor? Plenty of "professionals" use a Macbook because of its size... There is a very small performance difference between the two.
- Rudegar, on 10/31/2008, -0/+9firewire is also master-less as in all devices can be master
- hiro, on 10/31/2008, -0/+8Alternatively, don't buy a device without Firewire if you need it. Vote with your feet and let the consumer dictate what the manufacturer does rather than vice versa. Blind faith stifles your needs and allows marketing to get away with what they want, don't be a sheep
- drouk1556, on 10/31/2008, -0/+8If this is the new Rick Roll, it's thoroughly unimpressive.
- SadMartigan, on 11/25/2008, -0/+7The bottom-line difference is being able to afford a new laptop, without having to buy a replacement for your perfectly good camera, satellite-box, mixer, external hdd etc. and being able to load your user identity through target disk mode once you do buy said computer.
The user experience of using such devices through firewire, as opposed to usb, tends to be a general, perceived robustness, improved speed or snappiness, and better interface control through software. - HamNCheese, on 10/31/2008, -1/+8Fine for hard drives - but not for my Focusrite Saffire Pro 26 I/O....
- orangeguy94, on 10/31/2008, -0/+7I wouldn't call it a redeemer, just a product that saves Apple's ass.
The point is, there shouldn't need to be a product like this in the first place. Apple should have already had Firewire with their notebooks. This looks like trash anyway. - dustinhoffman, on 10/31/2008, -0/+7There is something terribly wrong with that statement... oh... I guess since my VGA to USB cable and My DVI to firewire cable worked... there must be a DisplayPort to Firewire cable in the works... that's right... none of them are seen as a standard peripheral I/O bus for a system...
- BlatheringIdiot, on 10/31/2008, -0/+7Fine print: 12v Car Battery NOT included
- JGent, on 10/31/2008, -0/+6I currently use firewire to transfer 8 tracks at once form my multitrack mixer, a feat apparently not possible over USB, The USB version only transfers a 2 channel (final stereo mix) although it is at a higher sample rate/bit depth.
The only issues I have had with firewire (on PC) is unreliable detection of devices, or sudden loss of conenction. - microview2007, on 10/31/2008, -1/+7Yep, between no firewire and can't use more then 4Gb of memory, I have no reason to toss my older Macbook and for another $1500 buy one that has less to offer. Yes, I have an external iSight camera that is firewire.
- funnyboy88, on 10/31/2008, -0/+6I was at the Apple Store getting my Macbook fixed, and immediately, the Genius worker hooked up my Macbook to their Macbook Pro via Firewire. I asked, "So what are you guys going to do about the new Macbooks without Firewire?" She said they were definitely not happy about that, and that they were going to have to get creative about it. Apple is even screwing its own employees.
- Utility, on 10/31/2008, -1/+7***** that. FireWire is not obsolete, and it was premature for Apple to eliminate it from the MacBook. Apple should accommodate its users, not the other way around.
- MacParrot, on 10/31/2008, -0/+6...or roads
- Eric1285, on 10/31/2008, -0/+5I was thinking about downgrading to a MacBook from my MacBook Pro, but I actually use the Firewire for my external hard drive. I didn't realize how much of a difference there was until I switched from USB.
- skratakh, on 10/31/2008, -1/+6"Have you seen the insides of the new MacBooks?
Leaving Firewire in was not possible"
So you're saying that the inside of the new macbooks was badly designed because it left no room for one port, stop making excuses for shoddy design. - Dante001, on 10/31/2008, -4/+9It really does not matter seeing as there is no matte screen, they can do what the hell they like with the ports no matte screen means im not buying one. Ive actually had to start looking in to a PC and Avid AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! So thanks a bunch Steve you really screwed the Audio Visual guys over this time.
Now if you will excuse me im off to cry in to the keyboard of my PBG4. - shredswithpiks, on 10/31/2008, -0/+5^ the "ha" in "have" is why the apostrophe is there
- BossKey, on 10/31/2008, -0/+5What about all the consumers who bought affordable FireWire-equipped miniDV video cameras (i.e., most of the digicams sold in the past 8 years or so)? That isn't anywhere close to pro equipment.
- havokdu, on 10/31/2008, -1/+5Things are not much better under Windows Vista.
Microsoft no longer supports IP over 1394, so my hopes of copying large files from my notebook to my XP box using 800Mbps speeds are gone, since my laptop doesn't have Gigabitethernet.
I've tried 3rd party drivers and apps and no luck.
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/archive/IP_1394.mspx - Dalhectar, on 10/31/2008, -0/+4A FW chip is like 1 sq. cm big or smaller. The port itself is small. If Steve wanted it, he would have told the people to make it happen, and they would have.
This was a CHOICE! - dustinhoffman, on 10/31/2008, -2/+6No... it costs $700 dollars for a 15.4" screen, a Nvidia 9600 with 256MB dedicated RAM, a larger hard drive, a faster CPU, and a PORT... You could consider paying $300 less and getting the classic white macbook with a PORT...
- DarkShroud, on 10/31/2008, -0/+4Firewire is the industry standard for video editing & transfer. It's far superior than USB in real time speed & stability. And don't bs me about USB 3.0, Firewire 1600 & 3200 will be coming out.
- AmaDaden, on 10/31/2008, -0/+4it's not easier but it's said to be the reason for that special boot mode to begin with. So that argument does have a bit of logic to it. What bothers me is why apple could not just have target disk mode for the USB ports or the firewire on the pro? I can understand losing the port but the whole of Target Disk mode did not need to go.
- DarkShroud, on 10/31/2008, -0/+4They should at least keep one firewire port since the firewire 1600 & 3200 specs have been completed/approved and use the 800 connector. This was a stupid move for apple since Firewire is the standard for video equipment.
- mingistech, on 10/31/2008, -1/+5I'm a Apple Tech that works on the road with a laptop. Having target disk mode is HUGE for diagnosing troubled machines.
I did buy a new Macbook minus the firewire.... a lighter machine is a big feature for me considering I'm caring it around all day.
My work around was to have a Firewire/USB external HDD with versions of the OS that will boot both Intel/PPC machines that I can run my diagnostic software on. It's a workaround.... not ideal..... but works.
If a solution comes out that supports a real target disk mode over ethernet or USB i'll be very pleased.... or a company releases a firewire adapter that included the firewire chipset and works over USB i'd buy that too.
I just hope there is a solution soon. - themdjunkie, on 10/31/2008, -1/+5I do alot of video editing and I own one of the previous gen black macbooks. Firewire is the best way to transfer video for any type of purpose. I'm upset as everyone else about the new macbook without firewire and I'm not going to upgrade to the new macbook because of that, but this USB-Firewire solution is horrendous. I've heard of an ethernet to firewire solution which sounds like it would be better, only problem is that I don't know how iMovie or Final Cut can work with importing with ethernet...
- freaktose, on 10/31/2008, -0/+4Note that USB2's "480 Mb" is a type of burst speed measurement and FW400's is a sustained rating, making FW400 faster over long file transfers and then you double that for FW800.
- tnoy, on 10/31/2008, -0/+4Because most people aren't retarded enough to think that you can't do video editing on a standard Macbook.
- gr00vy, on 10/31/2008, -1/+5It was "possible". The problem was that it was not included in Nvidia's chip set where it would be "free" to have.
- Elranzer, on 10/31/2008, -1/+5If you need FireWire, get the cheaper, older MacBook that technically has more features than the new one.
- Zaraphrax, on 10/31/2008, -0/+4They obviously don't understand that people use Firewire for external hard disks and other random devices, not just video editing. So why should the end user have to go to the MacBook Pro just to get a port so they can plug in their external hard disk? Rubbish if you ask me.
- Dalhectar, on 10/31/2008, -0/+3I think I'll save Digg space by burying you. Your post adds nothing.
- csfreakazoid, on 10/31/2008, -0/+3If it has a decent intel chipset instead of the ***** broadcom one, sustainability is not a problem. I currently use GigE as the interconnect of an HPC cluster and can sustain speeds of well over 800Mbps without problems.
- BossKey, on 10/31/2008, -0/+3The cable to connect FireWire 800 to 400 is like $5.
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