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- yensed, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Then... Don't.
- jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20For the sake of arguing: wouldn't buying an xbox be cheaper than buying vista?
- Jimzip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14That's true.
I think Apple has been planning this one for a while now. Probably since before the Intel Macs were announced, I wouldn't be surprised. If I were Apple I would have been thinking: "Hmm. Now Macs have Intel processors, what's going to stop people from installing Windows?" The answer was "We will, until there's a better solution to hacking..", so they went about making their own method. I think it's a good move. People are still paying for the mac computer, and the Mac OS, and also Windows.. Who loses out? Only the customer that has to shell out the dough. All the corps. are happy.
Jimzip :D - yensed, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Once this becomes more of a "routine" thing to do with macs, I'll buy a MacBook.. This(Windows on Mac Hardware) is going to sell alot of macs.
- jctambay, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17For those who think this is Apple succumbing to the awesome and superior power of the windows OS, chill out for a minute. Its nothing of the sort. Its a way to get you to come over and get a taste of a mac, and as time progresses, you will boot the Windows partition less and less, as everything you do you can do better on OS X (except for gaming, which i have readily admitted for years, if you are a gamer, you need to buy a PC. however, i am seeing videos of games like halflife 2 run flawlessly on boot camp now, so those days are limited.) i guarantee you if you bought an intel based mac and dual booted it with OS X and windows, you would only use the windows when you HAD to.
- alexoughton, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18It is dual boot. See my response to the original story here: http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?s=&showtopic=14448&view=findpost&p=92446
- zwei, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16OS X Monopoly!? ...You just made me choke and spit water all over my iBook
- Mudcrutch, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11XP has fast user switching.. is that what you are talking about? How is the same feature in Vista ripping off XP?
- arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"...next N O V E M B E R..."
Actually it's this November, as in November 2006, but that's only for volume licensing customers. OEMs won't see it until until January 2007. - hardran3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10BootCamp=The new Classic. It is so users can run legacy software while they switch to OS X.
- MrSpontaneous, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13One of the reasons people would want to run vista is because of games like Halo 2, which will be Vista-only.
- pinsomniac, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12...and I bet the Vista beta works better than it does on my PC, too. Looks like my GF and I are getting MacBook Pros. Congrats, Apple.
- alexoughton, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9To noeljohnhoward: Did YOU read MY comment? I have it dual booting. Following my link.
- dioscaido, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Of course, Apple risks the opposite. While OSX is nicer, the risk is that thinking in pure economics, app developers will start seeing even less value in developing an OSX version of their app. Why should they spend the $$ and effort, if with a windows-only app they get both the wintel and appletel machines? So instead of getting more users using OSX, Apple may instead see OSX applications dwindling to the point where Apple machines effectively become wintel.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I don't understand why you people get so excited anytime something is installed on something its not supposed to be installed on. Nerds.
- arizonagroove, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9@rebrad
That's sarcasm...right? Either that or you're trolling or deluded. - NGliam, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Yeah, it must be the beta version.
I haven't even tried getting Vista running on my PC yet, and it's already running on Macs!? Good work. - 3237, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Thats so true. What you describe has happened to me. In 2003 I've bought a Mac for video editing, but slowly I found myself using my Mac more and more, and Windows machine less and less. Now my Mac is my primary computer, and I use Windows for it media center, and gaming capabilities.
- dime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3
Wait, so all that work installing Gentoo in an old modded Maynard 20mb tape backup isn't going to get me laid?
CURSES. - fyre2012, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@dioscaido
"Apple may instead see OSX applications dwindling "
Not if they allow you to run windows apps natively inside OSX with some sort of a universal binary conversion utility. The easier they make it for dev's, the better. - Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Please explain how Linux is just as good as OS X. And don't gloss over the geeky bits that 98% of the general population will never bother to figure out for themselves.
- Opiate, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Care to explain how you can HALF install it? Caps not needed.....
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4well, considering that not all the drivers work, aero glass doesn't work and the other problems, i would say it runs worse, bad luck.
YOUR pc must suck, go upgrade. - justdbc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"It is so users can run legacy software while they switch to OS X."
Yes. You get it. I switched my wife over to a Mac Mini. Does 95% of what she needs, and there is 100% less administrative hassle for me. Unfortunately, the software she uses for her hobby of geneology is only available for Windows systems. Dual boot would allow me to take the legacy hardware used for geneology out and shoot it. (Well, actually, reformat it as a Linux system, but that is another story.) - Trenton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I really hope this Apple rave keeps expanding and I'll be able to have just as much support on a Macintosh than my regular pc, so when I can afford an apple computer it'll be able to do what I want.
- unknowndomain, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5'Finally'? WTF its only been about a week since the application was out, these people need to get a life, its only Windows Vista
- chicken101, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5As soon as Vista comes out Apple will probably upgrade boot camp to work with it. Seeing what happened last time, Apple will release this before the hackers are done getting Vista to work fully on the Mac. I want people to try though, since it looks like Apple is paying attention to the things they are trying to do, and then doing it themselves.
- letmereplynow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Hmmmm I am willing to bet everything that "Bootcamp" is nothing more than a phase, and when i said low end, I was referring to the low end $400-600 Mac's. Don't jump the gun since I said something truthful about the all mighty holy Apple company. Apple hasn't been successfull selling PC's since it started and it is now over 20 years later and they still aren't sucessfull. Like I have said before, if Apple had allowed OSX to be ran on any computer, they would have had the majority in marketshare(Linux will soon have more marketshare due to just that fact, if no already). When OSX was first release that was their chance but I guess they didn't learn their lesson when they were first punk'ed by Microsoft years ago.
- zwei, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I'm gonna go out and buy a copy right now! ...oh wait
- eqisow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Actually, Brodan is partially right. I think the Wine libraries are being ported to Mac.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5If someone wants to play Halo 2, then he sould get a Xbox and not wait for the Vista version. If you compare the prices for a retail version of Windows and a Xbox, you will notice, the price difference is not that high.
- JimmyJohnJedi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Finally, a sock running on my foot. Pink ponies and and flowery farts....weeeeeeeeeeee!
- zwei, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4it's beta
- jayf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why do people think less OSX apps will be created if Windows can be dual booted on the same machine?
Mac software appeals to Mac-minded individuals and using Windows apps is a degraded experience. So long as these people exist there will always be great software for OSX. - mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5But it's FINALLY been installed...we can only wait so long for these things!
- green67, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1who gives a crap?!......OSX on PC ....XP/Vista on a Mac...isn't it obvious?..some form of hardware standard is needed!...then ANYONE can buy/do/use what they like...isn't that what it's really about?....then if you want to run OSX on something that doesn't look like a DeLorean you have the option....if you want to play HalfLife on a slick looking brushed aluminum box you can!....WTF is with all this flaming?...read the writing on the wall...and stop insulting each other....otherwise Digg is just going to become some bitch session site and the whole concept will tank....
- drwtsn32, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"i guarantee you if you bought an intel based mac and dual booted it with OS X and windows, you would only use the windows when you HAD to."
Sorry, but not everyone likes Mac OS X. I bought an iBook and played around with it for a few months before finally selling it. I definitely prefer Windows XP. Same at work. We have a G5 due to the requirements of that employee to run video production software not available on Windows. Getting Mac OS X to participate gracefully on a Windows network is like pulling teeth. - nerdtek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why? For the love of God why? Isn't that like shooting yourself in the stomach. Hey I've got a nice Porche I think I'll drop a Yugo engine in it! After all this isn't a vintage 80s Yugo this is a "new" one!
To parafry Shakespeare "A rose by any other name is still a rose." or in my words "crap is still crap if you call it something else" ;-) - zwei, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Don't bet on it. There is no reason to go that far and waste that much effort when they can just provide a way for Windows to run on their machines. Right now Windows running on a Mac isn't an attack on MS. I don't think Steve would want to go that far at this point in time. And I definitely don't think he would want to bloat OS X with a "hack" ...it would have to be in full cooperation with MS so they could use all of the technologies like DirectX ...and I don't see that happening any time soon.
Windows running in it's own contained environment is the way to go. - immrlizard, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I don't see what the big deal is and why anyone would want to pay the hardware price for a mac and put pc software on it. You can get better hardware cheaper and guess what, it will work. If you are going to vista, get hardware meant for it. I don't have anything against macs. If you want to use a mac, great, if not, great too. I just have a hard time seeing why you would want to pay more for the hardware and load windows on it. Digg is really becomming a mac fanboy site. At least they haven't jumped to the zdnet constantly bashing Microsoft yet.
No Digg - alexoughton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2It refers to the fact that Vista previously didn't complete the install process. Now that it does, it "fully" installs.
- latour, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If people want to switch Operating systems so much why don't people just use linux.. it's just as good as osx and its free.
- McZiggz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Similar to how most people who used to agree with you are past that "phase". You are completely wrong. Apple's are hardly low end machines (check the specs sometime), and $1299 isn't much for all that you get in an iMac.
Oh and btw, there is a difference between a MAC and a Mac. Don't get confused. - jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1monopoly of apple software on apple hardware. Doesn't take a water-spitting-fit to figure it out.
- Bigcat1021, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This November is next November.
Or is it the other way around? - letmereplynow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2More further proof that MAC's just want to be a PC..., and how is this going to switch users over? For one you would have to buy a MAC, for most users, they don't have the cash to payout or geeks don't want to the low end machines. If Apple really wanted to take marketshare, they would allow you to install OSX on any computer, but then there is allot of security risks in that too,(legacy support) could expose the OS....o well. Anyway I think this is a phase that will run it course soon enough(bootcamp that is).
- millixaw, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1An Xbox console (new, not even used) costs less than a Vista lisence, not to mention the gfx card needed to run Vista's OS enhancements and Halo 2.
A Vista license actually costs closer to the price of an Xbox 360 (core). - jctambay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i thought the same thing, but by running the BootCamp setup assistant you can delete the windows partition without affecting any of your OSX files, and regain a single partition hard drive easily. Risk free! might as well try it then delete it if your not gonna use it.
- joeTSUNAMI, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is interesting to know, but a very odd concept. Windows and OSX is like oil and water. I've never met anyone that was an avid Mac user that wanted Windows on their machine or vice versa.
- Brodan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I stand corrected. thks :)
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