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- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24...which is a frickin' steal compared to how much all of this stuff used to cost back in the day when Avid had a stranglehold on the industry. I use FCS every day and it's worth every penny.
Don't understand what you seem to be complaining about, jboi. - livesunkept, on 10/12/2007, -0/+181299 is not expensive for professional software... people who are complaining are those who use it to edit a clip of a spider eating a bug.
- thevla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12a little history - fcp is premiere and used to work on a pc
Randy Ubillos and other members of his team originally created Adobe Premiere. They were then hired by Macromedia to create KeyGrip, built from the ground up as a more professional video editing program based on QuickTime. Macromedia made a decision to be a web company instead of competing head-on with Adobe in every category and decided to find a buyer for their non-web applications, including KeyGrip, by this time (1998) renamed as Final Cut. Final Cut was shown in private room demonstrations as a 0.9 alpha at the National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) exposition in 1998 after Macromedia pulled out of the main show floor. At the demonstration both Mac and Windows versions were shown. The Mac version was working with a Truevision RTX dual stream real time card with limited real time effects. When no purchaser could be found Apple purchased the team as a defensive move. When Apple could not find a buyer in turn, it continued development work, focusing on adding FireWire/DV support and at NAB 1999 Apple introduced Final Cut Pro.
With the introduction of FCP, Adobe Premiere market share plummented, since its ancient codebase had neither the features nor the design flair to compete. In 2003, Adobe introduced Premiere Pro as a Windows-only product with an entirely new codebase and many FCP-like feature - dusingaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Universal upgrade is only $49
- ChrisLowder, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10this is great news... now all we need are the intel base PowerMacs to run them, adobe CS3 and an upgrade to Shake and we'll be set...
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7There are plugins that cost more than the entire FCS, but they are much more than cheesy lens flares. You're not paying for the size of the software, but what it does.
For instance, the CineLook plugin is a tiny little thing, but does an incredible amount of filmic effects, from matching film stock to projector misregistration. Knoll Light Factory allows those great streaky light effects, as in the new ABC TV bumpers. Ultimatte does the best chromakeying anywhere. These things may be expensive, but again, they are worth every cent for many effects houses or digital artists.
Your other option when an ABC comes calling is to say, "sorry, we aren't able to do that." Buying plugins and ugrading software is a cost of legitimately doing business for me. Expensive? Yes...but I can offer things others can't, and compete with those who can. - tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I'm not so sure I see your complaint...
Programs like this a geared towards a very niche market. Not your average joeshmoe internet user who wants to fool around with the software. The companies need to price the software accordingly in order to make a profit.
Apps like FCP, Maya and others aren't going to sell as many units as game or something similar, simply because the average user doesn't *need* it. - EnhanceYourCalm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I can't believe people think this stuff is expensive.
Try buying a flame or inferno system from Discreet. Starts at about $265,000, can go well over $1,000,000 with storage options.
Now buy three of them to run a post production operation. Talk about ouch... - stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The bad news is Soundtrack Pro is no longer available in stand-alone form. :(
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6FCP is great and keeps getting increasingly better and more valuable, which is reflecting in its market share and rapid rate of adoption. It can use After Effects plugins, has very intuitive manipulation interfaces, and meshes beautifully with the rest of the production suite and Macs in general. Best of all, FCP scales relatively effortlessly between codecs, formats, and hardware. Avid, not even close.
I use both Avid and FCP all the time, and as much as I hoped wonderful things for Avid, they really have lost their vision and focus. Avids work well and pretty much invented non-linear cutting, but the upgrade paths and scalability isn't there unless you want to pay ridiculous amounts of money.
I didn't want to love FCP, but now it's become my undeniable favourite by far. As for complaining about FCP and planning to switch to Adobe Production Suite instead, I don't really see much of a difference or reason in your logic. - McZiggz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5:-)
$699.00 education price - tazamore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4That's why god created ebay.
- brandonhines, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7What's your point? That you have to pay MSRP?
- dusingaz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6We really need CS 3.... looks like I'll have it about a year after I bought my MacBook Pro... about the same time I need to trade it in and upgrade... perfect timing. not.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Final cut is really one of the premiere programs for the mac platform, and they delivered the unibin right on schedule, they said it would be out in march at the macbook/imac launch... for people who think it's too expensive, you probably don't need it... iMovie offers all the functionality that most people will use, and it's cheap, or free on a new mac... remember that back in the day a pro video setup would be a $15k SGI machine with a $10k software package, so FCP is fairly inexpensive, especially for a production company...
- avon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3the educational price is a steal, if you want to pay for it. but for professional software, the whole studio for 1299 is nothing compared to how it used to be. if you make television shows, commercials, or edit for film, its absurdly cheap.
- neofactor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The Guy who built Adobe Premier is the brains behind Final Cut Pro.
I have been using FCP since version 1.0... Remember the Swing dancing demo/practice videos... old school. Back then I spent over $1000 just for FCP... now you can get all of this! Sweet!
As for the Universal news... it is about time... cannot wait for the performance comparisons between powerpc and intel. - vinbot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Woohoo! I was beginning to wonder if they were going to make their March deadline. I just got a MacBook so this is definitely on my shopping list! Hopefully it isn't too buggy.
- eadnams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Good history lesson :D
I use both FCP and Premiere, FCP is far superior... Premiere Pro seemed like the "Oh crap, Apple is killing us! Lets try to shoehorn in FCP UI and features." - harlowsmonkeys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2$1299 if you weren't clever. I bought Soundtrack Pro for $250, plus the upgrade from Soundtrack Pro to FC Studio for $199. Net: $449.
You had to act fairly quickly to get this. When they announced FC Studio, and dropped the individual components, they didn't go pull the stock of the individual components at stores. They sold out pretty quickly, though. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The price has really gone down. my school bought FCP3 a few years ago for like $900 or so with edu discounts so this seems like a steal.
- ChrisLowder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2got to the weta web site ((the guys who do the LOTR stuff)) and check out some of the software that they use everyday... and then compare prices... FCS includes 3 pieces of software that are really top quality, compare that to somthing like Massive Prime... is is an awsome piece of gear but it only really does one thing ((does it really well mind you)) but has a price tag of 18 000 USD... in comparison this is really cheap for the quality of gear that your getting...
- eadnams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2My old cinematographer once told me a very wise thing regarding this industry,
"There are two things that are very overpriced in the world, Film production equipment, and airplane parts." True that. But, I think that rpice for FCP and for the plugins are very reasonable. - Stark, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2i've had the chance to play with four intel macs.
an imac worked fine. a macbook pro, mini solo, and mini duo were some of the buggiest machines i've seen in years. XP ran more stable than os x on the mini.
If you check out the apple message boards or just google "macbook pro crash" you might choose to wait a little longer before making the switch, especially for a video editing system. Personally I think this is the reason 4/1 was cancelled... the new computers suck and they're scrambling to fix them!
.02 - TridenTBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Uh yeah...Piracy FTW
- Argon52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Please Apple bring out the same Universal version of Final Cut Express HD!!!!! Anyone know if there is any plans soon for doing this? I just got my Macbook Pro and the Final Cut Express HD does not work on it! and Final cut is the reason I bought the mac in the first place. and no I work for a church and they do not have enough money to buy the pro version of Final Cut. Anyone know about a crossgrade/upgrade for FC Express HD? Thanks!
- eadnams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Premiere was good back in the mid 90's... FCP is by far the king now tho, Adobe just fell behind, frightingly so, so dissapointed, I use both, but only because theres no FCP for PC. I just finished editting an HD feature length mopic, and I would have never tried it on premiere, not enough of the organization power for something that large. And The integration between the different Suite programs, BRILLIANT! Just drag the file icon from one program to another, no rendering it then massing with the file, and re-rendering, its all in FCP and dynamically updating from the other programs... so useful!
- danielandrews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11.1 is supposed to be out this month, and will be universal from what I have read.
- EnhanceYourCalm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I hope that they fix the raw importer first, before dealing with a Universal Binary release. Aperture's workflow is really great, but it's all for naught if it's mangling the raw files from the jump.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think everyone realizes poting is a time consuming process -- that's why professionals are sticking with PPC Macs.
- kevinrosesmom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Final Cut Pro is a HUGE program meant to be run on high end hardware. It's really meant to be run on Powermacs (or the intel equivalent coming) so there wasn't the demand for that there is with CS2 (which can be run easily on much more modest hardware). I also imagine it wasn't easy at all to port it over.
- Midnightbrewer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I spent $400 on a 500KB install (Worley Labs FPrime for LightWave; totally worth it.) A half a megabyte. At that price per size ratio, the cost is five times higher. ;)
- tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2all about choice, really. Avid feels dated to me, and Premiere doesn't feel any different from FCP.
What many FCP editors like about it is that Apple develops the OS, the software, and the hardware(well they did... not really sure where that stands since they switched to intel.) the FCP group has the ability to work hand in hand with the hardware and OS guys, tweaking the application to run as well as it can.
Comes down to price also... FCP has a lot of really high end features(specifically features geared towards the film business) that are usually only found in really high end avid systems... - nickganga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Soundtrack Pro Academic ($149) + Soundtrack Pro to Final Cut Studio Crossgrade ($199) = Final Cut Studio Retail (not academic) for $349!!! And it arrived yesterday! What a deal
- doblezeta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0any torrents out yet? :) for reviewing purposes of course:)
- MrSpontaneous, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Ok, so let me see if I got this right...
Apple _just_ converted one of their more popular software packages to Universal Binary? If so, why was everyone jumping on Adobe for being tardy with a Universal Binary version of Photoshop? - mhii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0According to the Apple page for FCE: "The next feature release of Final Cut Express will be a Universal application, which will run on both PowerPC- and Intel-based Mac computers." (see: http://www.apple.com/finalcutexpress) The page does not mention, however whether an affordable "crossgrade" will be available to current users. I am holding off purchasing a new Intel iMac until I know whether Apple is offering an FCE crossgrade.
- outofstep, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5obviously, Final Cut is not meant for you.
- jboi, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1more a complaint about selling products on digg
- dracula7, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5someone wake me when the torrent is seeding
- dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"Programs like this a geared towards a very niche market. Not your average joeshmoe internet user who wants to fool around with the software. The companies need to price the software accordingly in order to make a profit."
3D Stroke, Shine, and Echospace are a great deal at $99 apiece. And I think Particular's a bargain as well for $300.
"Apps like FCP, Maya and others aren't going to sell as many units as game or something similar, simply because the average user doesn't *need* it."
Nonsense. That was Avid's mentality to price structuring. Look at what Discreet did with the Paint/Effect product. They took it from a (combined) $8000 application, and now it's $1000. And that is with all the additional development costs, effort, research, and marketing to make it as big of a product as After Effects. Then there's Eyeon and Mirage. Again, no basis for price relating to availability. Anyone who's worked a video toaster (aura) would scream to get ahold of Mirage, but they defer to After Effects.
I think price is set by the market mentality of the usefulness of the product. People think 3DSMax/Maya is the big dog, so those two are the expensive ones. A competent 3D artist can do the same job on Lightwave, and render it just as well as anyone else on another 3D app. And even with that 3D work, they can turn around and comp it in anything they want as well, since most of them are cross compatible.
Again, so market mentality, people think Avid's the big deal, they cost more. Even though, it's the worst of the bunch. FCP squares themselves right with everyone else in the room (Liquid, Premiere, Edius) so it's a non-arguement for that specific point, but for everything else, some of these companies strut on their price like it makes them a golden god because it's so expensive. - dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I already use Adobe. I don't see why people like FCP. I've used FCP, and I find it to be a slow editor, and uses really inefficient background processes, like with superfluous preview files getting generated with each preview render.
As for AEX plug ins, so does Premiere.
And I haven't seen the integration with other suites. Maybe it's not blazingly apparent to me. I mean, the usability is there, but I still had to shut down FCP to make a DVD in DVDSP. There was no 1-click button that took it from one application to another. - LaPistola, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2$0.00 on a torrent site near you in.. 5.. 4.. 3.. :) no but really.. If you have a mac and you edit video.. please do the video world a favor and pick this one up! :)
- dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Better news, IMO...
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0603adobeproductionstudio.html
When this comes out, I'll switch over.
I just don't see what you FCP people find about FCP so darnded useful or innovative.
For me, it edits like a slightly faster Avid. - PhotoShap, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2Any news on Aperture? That's what I'm waiting for!
Shap - dvddesign, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Oh it gets worse. There's a popular effects package (used on Spiderman, LOTR, Etc) plugin that retails for over $1700.
And it's a 10MB install. MB as in megabyte.
And it's effects are something people in video need and use all the time.
Beat that. - cursivearmySC, on 10/12/2007, -10/+0it sucks though cuz CS3 isnt out untill 2007 - aperture is much different than photoshop
- Justice101, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3I final cut studio good for short films? I use the sweet of stuff apple has iDVD, iMovie, and the other one. So I was wondering if it's hard to switch or takes long to edit? Digg, Dugg, Dig Dug :)
- cursivearmySC, on 10/12/2007, -11/+0sry
- jicon, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2delete
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