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- Shad0wSP, on 10/12/2007, -9/+133atleast he didnt use nappy-headed
- gmarks, on 10/12/2007, -11/+45How dare you call FCP such a dirty thing.
- Rice, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Your usage of the word 'you're' = fail.
- Phatfiddler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22Yeah, I guess he shouldn't use the actual title of the article...tends to throw people off.
- derrick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+23How is that ruining the digg moderation system? If you look at any of those comments they are quite honestly some of the worst jokes I've read. They serve no purpose except to be buried.
- dugbay, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22FCP is industry standard because it does things that adobe can not do. Things that professional film / tv editors need. Adobe can not do off line editing, adobe does not work well with EDL. it can not communicate with pro tools, nuendo or any other audio software (except for audition). The problem with adobe is, its made for professionals who need to edit. Not professional editors.
Don't get me wrong, I love adobe. I think adobe is the best for independent / hobbiest films. But after using FCP andnd then Avid, I see why adobe is still in the dust, it just need to take that extra step that tv / film professional needs. - zioxide, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14You say "SpeedEdit has already been doing this" Final Cut has too, it just needed to be rendered before playback.
Can SpeedEdit edit Uncompressed 10-bit HD, HDCAM, DVCPRO HD, or REDCODE?
I don't think so.
Oh, and for making a crappy video podcast on a Mac, you can use iMovie HD, which btw, is FREE on every Mac. - aroundlsu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14It doesn't matter what other systems can do. "Speededit" could produce emmy award winning programs automatically at the push of a button and our clients still wouldn't hire us because the box doesn't say Avid or Apple. Even if they did, try finding a professional freelance editor that can come in for a day to edit on a "Speededit".
Podcasts are not broadcast television. Broadcast is another whole world that requires compliance to certain standards that must be met or you'll have to explain to your client why your show got bumped from the 7pm timeslot because it was accidently output using non-drop timecode instead of drop frame (or any of 100 other reasons).
Producing a television show is as complicated as open heart surgery. The right tools are critical. - pengu, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17right, so you're comparing an app for making PODCASTS with a complete solution for making FEATURE FILMS and BROADCAST content. idiot.
- Rice, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12I wish there was a feature like this in iMovie. Transcodeing every video I import is a pain in the ass.
- TruthElixirX, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14No, all the comments in this article just suck. :)
- Eslamicolt3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8As someone who's used Avid, FCP, and Vegas, thats only partially true. FCP and Avid both (in the past) have had to render before any effects or changes can be viewed in the preview window. Thats why Vegas has always been my program of choice, in terms of speed and organization it can't be beat. You can actually preview in full quality (sometimes better than others, depending on your computer and how demandig the effect) while you edit. That being said, with the announcements Apple has made today, I'm finally going to start using their creative suite for most purposes. The advancements made with Color, soundtrack 2, and Motion 3 I'm sure will prove to be nothing short of ground breaking. LONG overdue though.
- aroundlsu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Try mixing different formats in Avid or Vegas and previewing the effects in real-time at full resolution.
I believe FCP is claiming to mix these formats and up/downconvert without rendering. You can already drop any format/resolution onto any timeline in FCP 5 but playback requires rendering. So does Avid DNxHD unless you are using a $150k Nitris system.
I use both Avid Media Composer and Final Cut 5 every day, 12 hours a day. FCP is light years ahead of MC in everything except color correction and media management. It looks like with the new Final Cut Server and Color software they might have caught up. - zioxide, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Yes, Final Cut has been able to play different types of clips in the same sequence forever. However, the new software allows this in real time WITHOUT rendering. Just like the poster above me said, Avid xPress HD requires rendering before playback too.
- Swil, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Avid xPress HD requires rendering before playback too."
Actually, Xpress Pro (which was momentarily called Xpress Pro HD, so I assume that's what you're talking about) has had Open Timeline for yonks and can mix multiple resolutions (both SD and HD) without rendering. I do it all the time.
HOWEVER Apple have both caught up and then upped the ante by allowing you to mix framerates as well without transcoding.
"I believe FCP is claiming to mix these formats and up/downconvert without rendering. You can already drop any format/resolution onto any timeline in FCP 5 but playback requires rendering. So does Avid DNxHD unless you are using a $150k Nitris system."
I can play back SD and DNxHD in the same timeline, with realtime effects, in Xpress Pro (Getting more than one stream at a time? yeah okay, go get your Nitris).
But realistically, realtime editing in HD on the cheap is simply not possible - you need hardware. With Avid's brilliant media management it makes it relatively simple to edit at an offline resolution like DV then master at HD, therefore making a HD workflow on an affordable box possible. I'm interested to see how FCP6 stacks up in terms of media management, it's been one of FCP's key failings. - jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3that kinda sucks if it's only just got it. I thought FCP was always supposed to work?
shame sony vegas video doesn't work on crossover (.net requirement), since it's been able to load any format file, for freakin ages. - JesseJ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow. Has not that been a feature in Sony Vegas Video for a few years now? Just drag and drop whatever format into the timeline and it just works?
- mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Sony Vegas also doesn't run on Mac OS X, just like FCP doesn't run on Windows.
- jer.williams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Thanks for the balanced perspective. As someone who's used Vegas for 7 years, I'm always surprised to see other packages boast about features it's had for a long time. You're right though, the fact that FCP finally caught up to this important element may be overdue, but it could finally tip the balance in their favor for a sizable portion of the Vegas camp. But, oh the pain of learning new creative apps in your 30s. I do dread it.
- click81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, offline editing in most terms refers to using reference clips containing the same media as the original source, but at a different resolution of color space. For example, when digital editing first came about, around the mid 80's, the computers and capture/playback systems where only able to handle clips at small resolutions around 320x240 for real-time playback. An offline editor would capture all the footage including the timecode from the original source, edit the footage at 320x240 and then generate an Edit Decision List (EDL) which would include all the cuts needed to recreate the program. The EDL, which is just a plain text file, was readable by a computer controlled online editing system. The online operator would use the original source be it videotape or film, to recreate the program with frame-accurate edits. The reasoning behind all this, which sounds like a lot of hoop jumping all boils down to cost. A good online editing system with graphics and title overlays would run around $500 an hour. Where an offline editor could be hired for around $100 an hour. Before the idea of offline editing the online editors would do all the work.
Today, with digital acquisition, offline editing most commonly refers to using small, lower resolution files that are easily portable. With global companies, editors will use offline versions of a project that can be sent over the internet and will fit on a laptop to do most of the work. Then move to an uncompressed edit for final compositing and color grading. - lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Also, what's all this offline editing stuff about? what does offline mean in that context
- devicerandom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm not into video editing, but I'd like to know what "open format" in this context means. Is FCP format now a format with open specs that other softwares can use, like PDF or OpenDocument is, for example?
- Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Let's just pray for tricklke-down :)
- dugbay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Avid vs FCP is a difficult fight because I think they both edit well. W/ FCP I feel i can edit on the time line faster. With avid I feel i can manager my clips and find my shots faster.. Both important. I do wish that FCP had integrated script like Avid. I love having a script I can click on and it will pull up the shot. I don't think Vegas and Adobe have reached Avid/FCP yet. Vegas/Adobe would not be able to handle the editing power it takes for a feature film. There is no way to network 4 adobe systems together to work on one time line, like Avid can. Soon FCP will have this option w/ Final Cut Extreme.
I guess what I'm saying is the people who are all for Adobe and Vegas, i think are people who love editing but have not had experience in tv or film. - sarnia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2With Avid Media Composer, imported media gets brought in as separate media into an actual Avid format. Therefore, the clip doesn't need to be rendered on a timeline, since it's been converted already. Those few minutes of importing are far worth it than the minutes you spend scrolling over something unrendered. That was one of my biggest complaints with FCP when switching to AVID.
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6I have to agree that it's missing some things, but I find that it works much better for me.
- MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Format Ho? What the hell?
- polyGone, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, but will it take 15 years to load like Premiere?
:P - mikedaul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes, in sony vegas you can playbak a timeline with ANY combination of formats, with effects on the fly, without rendering. You can also make changes to the effects on the fly (while playing back the timeline), without rendering. In other words, vegas is a real-time editing app in the true sense. vegas also sports an unlimited multitrack audio editing suite. It really is a fantastic editing program, and it's a pretty good bargain to boot (around $500 with dvd architect).
- neszis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Very true. However, I still find Vegas' audio controls to be vastly superior to FCP's (and clearly, Avid's too), and since the rest of it is just cutting, I'm going to stick with Vegas as much as I can.
- writeman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, Vegas has surpassed any of the other NLE's out there for a few years now. What few editors seem to realize is that Vegas is a FULL solution, with incredibly sophisticated AUDIO tools as well, which, along with its intuitive interface, has been one of its major selling points. I've been using Vegas since it was an audio only app.
I run a media production office and have been mixing formats on the Vegas timeline for years. I've tried FCP, Avid and Premiere (have all three sitting in a closet here) and none of these work with the same fluidity as Vegas. - dgillett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Little dissappointed that Sony has not made much progress since acquiring Sonic Foundry (besides adding compatibility with Sony cameras) in the last few years while other editors Premier Pro and now FCP have be made significant improvements creating these editing suites. Looks like FCP may become the editing platform of choice for professionals (unless you have Avid clients).
- selectodude, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5How many more bad "ho" jokes are we going to see?
I say another 100 or so. - zane44, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have used Vegas for 6 years. I think Vegas IS very user friendly and a small learning curve and can be used for many applications. However, some Vegas plug ins show artifacts that may not be acceptable on a 70ft screen. I do not believe the Vegas can reach the 4:2:2 color model as well. It is NOT a pro solution. I have to move to FCP or AVID simply for the reason of making my work flow work better as well. Also, when a client pays a large sum of money, it better be based on quality. I am sick of rendering after Vegas and then again in DVD-it Pro 6. Go directly from my Focus drive to the time line to the render and burn on Blu-Ray. No tape, a lot less production time. Saves money. I was ready for this jump 4 years ago.
- wilhoitm, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1More demos than you can shake a stick at http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/
- Mattfezz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ dugbay
Open format means in this context that a sequence time line can read various file formats eg PAL 16:9 and DVCPRO HD in the same timeline and play them back without rendering.
Prior to this you had to choose your sequence format and if you added any clips that were not of that format (ie not native) you would have to render or transcode them first before your could work.
This new feature does away with that - and its very welcomed!
@ lieutenantmudd - Offline editing basically means editing without tapes - ie capturing tapes to drives and then editing it from there without actually accessing the tape media itself. - julianrod, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Is there a demo to watch?
- endzeiteule, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0As far as I understood it is not about a new format, it is about the timeline's ability to handle several clips of different size/framerate/... (mixing SD and HD or PAL and NTSC). If your NLE software does not support something like that you always have to convert all your clips into the project's format first.
I guess offline editing means that you can go on working with a project even if some clips are not available. If you load the clips from a network storage and do not always have a connection to it for example.. - endzeiteule, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Although I am not a big fan of Sony I have to admit that Vegas is a nice piece of software.
And it is able to do on-the-fly previews. Sure, if your project gets to complex (3D layers, several masks, keying, other effects), it is not able to do so at 25fps at full (SD) res in good quality (at least not on my Athlon 2500), but that is not really an input format problem.. - Robozilla, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Avid > FCP. Still good news, I guess. If you're forced to work on a mac at your company.
- neszis, on 10/12/2007, -10/+8Oh, you mean like Vegas has been able to do since...forever?
- bobmagoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1ha sweet, im just glad to hear that some one else here uses vegas. Everywhere else i go it seems to get scoffed at by the Avid and FCP users. Its an awesome little program.
- flap, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@NicksVideo
HD podcasts for apple TV. - chaosdude78, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7Yeah, to me that title implies that it would only work with certain formats or only outproduces a closed format like ms office word's .doc
- garfonzo, on 10/12/2007, -12/+7am I missing something?
- SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2You can get away from it if you're black.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2truthelixrx said what I was going to say
- pinab, on 10/12/2007, -9/+3He won't care if anyone said nappy headed, the cameras aren't focused on Digg.
- bot001220, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5So when exactly are you kids going to get over Mr. Imus' comments?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3ya and avid has been doing this for years. I guess it is good that apple is catching up because it will put more pressure on avid to produce better products that apple can copy a couple of years later.
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