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- Sticky_icky, on 10/12/2007, -16/+67if it only has 3 sides is it really a cube?
- MrC539, on 10/12/2007, -1/+39How much RAM would that need to run them all at once?
- LegendarySock, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25it is a triangular prism.
- imav, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Actually, Fast User Switching isn't involved at all. Virtue just uses the same sort of rotating cube effect as one of its optional desktop transition effects.
- xcheats, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21What?
- marosnax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16he says it only has 1GB of ram with 256 for XP and 128 for RHEL
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16It all depends how much RAM you allocate to each OS. You can do this in the Parallels settings for each virtual installation.
- shinynew, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12its not through fast user switching.
- aelix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Heh being the one who made this video, I find the comments above pointing out things in the video that 'prove its fake' pretty funny. Like I have the time or energy to concoct some conspiracy. All I did was install parallels, virtue desktops, fired up a copy of parallels on each desktop, and installed each OS. There is no conspiracy here, anyone can reproduce this. I'd also like to give props to Mithras over at Ars in the Mac forum. It was his idea in the first place, I just made the video.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I think it goes something like this:
1. install virtue desktop manager
2. switch to dektop 2
3. run Parallels and boot to XP
4. switch to full screen
5. hit key combo for virtue to switch to next desktop
6. run another copy of Parallels and boot another OS.
7. Goto step 4. - sspooner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10I do this.
It's simple. It's just virtue desktop and parallels. I have an MBP with 2gigs of RAM and usually switch between OSX and XP. The rotation effect is part of the virtue virtual desktop.
The next version of Parallels will actually include a cube-rotate to full screen, the author of Virtue donated some code.
It's damn fast. I use XP for my microcode debugger and it's pretty amazing. - geekdreams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8MacMinis can have up to 2GB of RAM:
http://www.apple.com/macmini/ - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9After you take a mortgage out on your house!
http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp?sku=2389100 - Rice, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Hold me to this...
This sort of functionality will be in Leopard..
*wishful thinking* - superal1394, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9ha ha, finally a use for 4 gigs of ram
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/
- canyonblue, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8fantastic. i need 2 GB though... i bet 1 GB wouldn't be enough to properly supply both OSs and keep things moving quickly.
- MySchizoBuddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8thanks for stating the OBVIOUS.
- thecwin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Wouldn't this also be easily possible on VMWare with Compiz on Linux?
- geekdreams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Virtual PC emulates an x86 environment in order to run Windows, which means it's slow as crap. Parallels runs on x86 hardware nativel, so speed is not an issue.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"multiple OS's being run on a Mac at native speeds"
Technically, they are not at native speeds. But I've used Parallels on my Mac and it's quite fast. Perhaps not fast enough for games. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5You're forgetting the business users that have to work in Windows while at work. This could be perfect for them.
- noobalicious, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9I was just thinking about if this was possible tonight. I, for one, would freakin LOVE to tri-boot, but I hate having to re-start every time I want to switch. Now, anyone know how to set that chit up?
- nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5When PowerMacs have Intel processors I'm seriously considering getting one to replace 3 of my computers here (g4 mini, athlon xp winxp, 2x opteron linux).
As much as I like the iMacs and Mac Minis, they can't hold nearly enough hard disks. And with a PowerMac I could hook up all 4 of my monitors to one machine and have each OS on a monitor w/ one to spare. Now that is incredibly useful.
In the mean time synergy will suffice. http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/ - Hyperion, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6XP isn't having troubles with multiple desktops. It's just not native in Windows, just as it isn't native in Mac OS X. (Don't worry, I know KDE and Gnome have it.)
If you search "desktop manager" on Google, you get Microsoft's Virtual Desktop Manager as the second result. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Although, I have to admit, this is pretty cool. - leviat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The only thing missing is good graphics virtualization, then I'll be sold. Unfortunately the only company that I think could pull it off in the next 6 months is nVidia through their unified drivers... which wouldn't help since Apple is in bed with ATI.
- scstraus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's amazing how many stupid people there are. This is a simple thing to do with any virtualization software like parralels or vmware, and any virtual desktop program. It makes for a cool video and is a nice way to have your computer set up, but it's certainly not fake. Watch any video of xp running under parralels workstation on mac, and you will see that it's fast. Cool, but certainly not amazing.
- triikan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4actually, you can set each of the four desktops to have its own taskbars, its in the options. (right click next to the little green button to get to options)
- BRODEL, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5So would I. This actually may get me to buy a mac. The only thing that would stop me now is being forced into the hardware, but this looks so cool I don't care. If I could easily switch between XP, Ubuntu and OSX like this video shows, then I would go for it depending on the cost. I am gonna go do some googling for this and how much RAM an intel mac mini can hold. :)
- darwin22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That (virtual desktops + Parallels) was the first thing I did after I installed Parallels. I confused the hell out of my co-workers :D
- sfernald, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have an intel mac mini with 2gb. I recently set up the beta of parallels with xp running.
Within two minutes of watching this video I had virtue installed and had setup my mac osx and xp as shown in this video - both fullscreen 1600 x 1200. I'm downloading ubuntu too and and will add that one too. This is too cool. Thank god I got 2gb. - spectre_25gt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It should be possible to have Paralells pause each VM upon switching. That would make it possible to run the host OS with full memory capacity and the others with just a little less, right?
- FunkyChicken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3But Leopard is not due out until 2007, right?
So they have some time to cruise for a little bit. :) - elioty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Anyone know how to do it? Someone ought to put together a setup guide somewhere.. I know I'd love to get that setup going.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Why is imav being buried? He is absolutely right. This is not fast user switching. I can tell just by the rotating transition. You get even more of a cube-like look with fast user switching and the effect is a bit slower.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yep it's real. It's probably an app called Desktop Manager with 2 copies of Parallels running.
- inactive, on 11/04/2008, -0/+3What Geetarz said below me. People who are using virtualisation aren't expecting NATIVE performance. If they want native they'll go buy the hardware / software required for native. This is great for:
- Programmers who want to perform testing
- Web designers who don't have access to a machine with another OS
- Enthusiasts
- Students
It is definately not for gamers, and I don't think Parallels should waste their time catering for gamers. You have your ultra-expensive AMD boxes to play on, so, go play on them. A serious computer gamer is not buying a Mac Mini. If they are, I'll have to question what "serious" means.. - Guspaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oh, don't get me wrong, we use VMWare at work for development on our custom linux-based OS, and it's super handy, it's just that everybody goes around touting these VM solutions as if it's just like having the OS natively on the machine. It isn't.
- endtwist, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It looks as though the video camera is just adjusting itself to the light from the screen (the screen is just a big multicolored lamp, don't forget). You can also see the video camera blur in and out a little bit when the brightness on the screen changes.
- dbpigeon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't like the ms's desktop manager, because the taskbar still has everything, no matter what desktop you're in (only thing that differs is what programs are/aren't minimized) and it changed my wallpaper back to what it was when I originally installed it, after I changed my wallpaper without the manager running.
- drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3256 for XP is still pretty low but managable. Ultimately hes running most of those OSes at the bare minimum. I would recommend 1.5 with 512 for each if someone were serious but it all depends on what the person is doing.
- neophit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The bright white from the web pages background is causing the camera's iris to close making dark areas darker. When the redhat log-in appears the iris opens again adjusting to the brightest area.
- inactive, on 11/04/2008, -0/+2Woah, thanks for the info on Synergy.. got it up and running within 10 minutes for a XP OSX connection. I can't believe I didn't search for something like this earlier.
Cheers. - christianw, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3whats funny is when all these windows guys buy a mac theyll install 3 os's, maybe 4 to throw os2 in the mix or something, maybe solaris.
theyll swap back and forth like that for a week or two.
then go right back to just the mac os after realizing, it has the most sophisticated and thought out user interface in the computer industry today. =) - Gills, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2can u assign an OS to a specific cpu core?
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3goScreen FTW! http://www.goscreen.info/ It's a simple virtual desktop manager for Windows. It isn't bloatware either. It is friendly to Windows 95!
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes, the whole partition thing is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that nobody wants to talk about. Nobody can write to NTFS, with or without its transparent compression, except Windows, nobody can write to the Mac's partitions, except Macs, and Windows doesn't want to write to any formats except FAT and NTFS. An oversimplification of the situation, to be sure, but close enough to illustrate the problem.
- wastern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2great idea. i'm getting a MacBook Pro today, i might used this solution
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Now you see *this* is why I want an Intel Mac. Forget all your 'Intel is a travesty against the might PowerPC' and 'This is turning Macs in fancy Dells' crap. This is where it's at - Desktop virtualisation. One computer - 3 platforms (or more if you're feeling enthusiastic!). We just need a nice big shiny Mac Pro to play with all this coolio stuff on now...
- eklitzke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2With a hypervisor kernel you can run virtualized operating systems at native speed. For example, with Xen the average performance hit for a virtualized OS is 2%. At one point some of the Xen hackers produces a Xen enabled port of Windows XP, but it was never publicly released because modifying the XP kernel is against the EULA
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