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- DVmaker, on 08/07/2008, -0/+9This is a perfect opportunity for Google to fly in and take over the market.. GOOGLE, Hurry the F* up.
- digiguy, on 08/07/2008, -1/+9Simple. Don't buy their products
- Oddish, on 08/06/2008, -1/+8Why is anyone surprised The developers should've seen this coming.
- mgxplyr, on 08/07/2008, -0/+6This is only one of the examples of why Apple pisses me off.
Apple is like a jealous girlfriend that won't even let you watch a football game with the guys because she just wants you all to her pretty self. - fsartono, on 08/06/2008, -2/+7Why would Apple want to do this? I don't understand the logic behind it!
- inactive, on 08/07/2008, -0/+4better analogy: apple is like an evil corporation who won't let independent developers collaborate to create better applications on their platform.
seriously. they are not apple employees. why can't they share? that is the most retarded thing I have heard in a long time - ninjajaja, on 08/07/2008, -0/+3***** THE RI.. NDA
- jamesdew, on 08/07/2008, -0/+3The correct action would be.... simple, don't develop applications for the product
- kineticarl, on 08/07/2008, -0/+2Something's wrong with the system. There's no conspiracy to keep everyone at 0 diggs by the apple fanboys. If they don't like your comment they'll bury you down as far as possible, not just keep you at 0.
- duggdowncatisad, on 08/07/2008, -0/+2The first rule of iPhone app development club is, you do not talk about iPhone app development club.
- insomniac8400, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Apple doesn't want development on the iphone. That is why they have the restrictive NDA. They opened it up to keep negative PR low, but they don't want people to start adding features they are reserving for the next iphone or for a future PDA. This is just a very telling action that confirms apple is going to have a yearly iphone with trickled out features to try to get people to continually buy iphones.
- SSUK, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1MS never stopped you sharing what you made. They just charge you to use it on certain platforms.
- t94xr, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1I've noticed Apples behavour change with Jobs in charge.
Woz was a very pro-hacker type person, he would encourage stuff like this on his products, he would encourage people sharing information and helping to improve his products.
Jobs agenda is more, he runs Apple, Apple owns the products they sell - you effectively are paying for the right to use them, they own the code, their game - their rules and if you don't like it you can leave!
Apple users complain about Microsoft being a monopoly on the market, but who wouldnt want that when Apple encourages DRM and Intellectual Property rights enforcements on all of their products even though its detrimental to their own development!!
The reason why Apple doesn't want developers sharing information and collaborating with other developers because that will allow other people and companies to start producing products for their iPhone that Apple doesn't want produced for the iPhone.
You can buy VMware Fusion, run XP / Vista on a OSX host. You *can't* buy OSX and run it on VMware workstation or player and run it on a XP/Vista host. One sided deal right?
In final, Apples agenda is - it's their products, their game, you pay for the right to use it, you can't modify it, you can't improve it, they own the game, it's their rules and if you can't abide by them, they wont have you as a customer & ban your iPhones serial number from their service database.
If you want a real monopoly, go with Apple. Microsoft may own the market share of the world in computers but as far as I know, Microsoft doesn't hinder develop software developed for Windows... - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1"it prevents people who work at competitors from looking at it."
And, how, exactly, does it do that?
And way to post the exact same comment twice, even after someone else asked the same obvious question I just did and you modded him down.
*****. - brickbat, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1You forgot to mention that the jealous bitch is a nympho supermodel.
- inactive, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Are you stupid? Apple is not protecting ITS assets; it's crippling assets created BY OTHERS.
Pathetic apologist shill. GROW A BACKBONE, YOU TOOL. - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Come on, it makes perfect sense to manage you calendar, contacts, and other PIM data with a music-player app. A music-player app that can't even manage music properly, let alone anything else.
- FredFredrickson, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Clever girl!
- Aitese, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Never before have I seen so many people with so much power CHOOSE to render themselves powerless. YOU are a customer or developer...without you Apple is nothing. Yet, you religiously buy and defend them...then moan when things go wrong, and continue to buy their products, develop for them and defend them to anyone else who moans.
Stop buying the phone people! Stop developing for them...they will see the numbers and THEN you'll get the product you want. They have realised a long time ago they can do no wrong in your eyes.
They just have to release a new product and you'll all come running despite the last experience. - ChromaVita, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1In an unrelated comment, does anyone else notice that every comment past the first 5 or so all have exactly 0 diggs? It's happening in every article... Is this happening for anyone else?
- Kelmon, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Well, just because other companies do it does not necessarily make it good. Not being able to discuss how to code for the iPhone is one of the dumbest things I have heard of. Developer podcasts on the subject are just a joke because they have to keep checking whether what they are talking about is under NDA. Normal discussions on Mac development don't have this sort of issue and it's just crazy that best practices and experience can't be shared. Why must everyone figure out their own way around problems? This is not how you advance a platform.
Sorry, buried. - Pyronious, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Doesn't Apple even have a private newsgroup for registered developers? That's what Microsoft does for Xbox 360 developers, and it's really useful. Most questions can be answered by peers, but you also get direct access to MS personnel.
- GothAlice, on 08/08/2008, -0/+1Fixed as per:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID= ...
The key is to assign the controller class of the tab bar item itself. The File's Owner of the separate NIB needs to be set to the same controller class, then everything works. I was forgetting to set the tab bar item's class property. - gfnw, on 08/08/2008, -0/+1Apple is like what Apple fanboys _think_ Microsoft is like.
- Ghoztt, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Apple is the new M$?
What the heck? Did I miss the pigs flying or something? What happened? - inactive, on 08/08/2008, -0/+1Dugg down for breaking NDA...
- billypw, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Exactly my same thoughts.
- bunzinator, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1How the hell is can you say Apple give their developers freedom? You know what the word means... right? I guess not.
Buried as Fanboi FUD. - Skyview, on 08/07/2008, -1/+2"Apple SUCKS, worst products, I HATE the NDA."
Oh yeah, I still bought and iPhone and I'm still developing for it.
Now who's the actual idiot ? - inactive, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1According to your own testimony, you.
- bobolito, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Can anyone translate the comment above? Seriously, I can't understand any of it.
- chkdg8, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1***** Apple. Go ahead bury. (typed from my mac)
- ilgaz, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Even simpler, don't buy iPhone or develop for it.
OS X itself and the real Apple desktop/laptop has been hurt enough by iPhone already, no need to boycott it for no reason. There are no such stupid things on OS X itself.
I am afraid those comment burying, slashdot abusing so called iPhone fanatics may falsely impress Apple and they can do mad things but.. not yet. - p3ngwin, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1agreed.
Apple made a legit deal, regardless of how ill balanced and unfair it was on the other company. there was no deceit.
MS on the other hand, well they straight up ROBBED Apple! - ilgaz, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1One thing even high end professional, non troll Mac developers say: MS loves developers. Some guy even got his code fixed by Microsoft themselves on free support and got shocked.
That could be the deep reason why OS X still isn't at place where it should be. Especially on enterprise/corporate. - AussieFox, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Except the freedom to help others with their applications apparently
- bunzinator, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1That is highly insulting to third rate operating systems.
- ilgaz, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1If you don't like the iPhone as user or developer along with Apple's policies... Don't code for it or buy it. Really, it is a basic fact.
It is obvious that Apple have set their minds not to cause a further revolution in smart phone business except the UI. They are making the Apple Lisa mistake for some people or some amazing errors they made back in 1990s under ex Boss.
You can use/code Symbian and Windows Mobile and there is a huge, healthy developer and user community there free to share any tips, flame them or plain hack the OS changing how it works fundamentally. It is ALLOWED by Symbian foundation and Microsoft. On Apple iPhone scene, it is not allowed. A basic proof: Fring can run and install to everything without hacks or absurd things even including the mighty sandbox J2ME. For iPhone, it needs device to be hacked. Why? - snek, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Hahaha, great analysis :D
I have to agree, iTunes is the weirdest app out on the market. I despise it with a passion and I actually work on an iMac myself. I'm not saying other software is that great, but like you said, why the hell use an audio application for things like this? An audio application which can't even play FLAC, OGG or APE files without major hassles. Apple doesn't like supporting free, opensource formats and in my book that's just not done. It's just as bad as nVidia or Broadcom refusing to make proper Linux drivers.
What are these corporations afraid of? - Seth024, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Yes
(btw I dugg you up but I doubt anyone can see it) - Radian, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Why are people bagging on the iPhone so much?
I mean, I'm sure there are people out there who want a locked-down, micro-managed, plastic-cracking, overpriced, overheating, 8-hour-syncing, iTunes-loving phone.... iTunes, don't even get me started on *that* ***** bag of *****.... - GothAlice, on 08/07/2008, -0/+1Huh… if I combine a tab bar controller with a view in a separate NIB and try to bind using Interface Builder a button in that separate view to an action that just calls NSLog, it crashes. Whereas a tab bound to a view in the same NIB as the tab bar controller itself the button works fine.
***** NDA. - JorgeGT, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Welcoooome... to the comment page with 0 diggs each!
(Also, a captcha for registered users? WTF?) - BlackAdderIII, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Some people take their own promises seriously.
- r3zonance, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0They can look at it, but they can't discuss (or build their own company's phone OS etc. based upon iPhone SDK). 1 lone developer would be hard pushed to get a new phone OS out in a timely fashion.
If things in a competing OS turn out to be way too coincidentally like the iPhone, they could track down their membership to iPhone Dev program (or the NDA'd individual they got the SDK from) and then sue the living ***** out of them. - r3zonance, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0@willynilly
Well done for looking 5-years old.
The NDA prevents the discussion of SDK with a third-party (third-party being anyone other than the individual in question who agreed to the NDA [which includes other people who agreed to the NDA presumably]). - bjornski, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0So you're saying a Mac is a "trophy wife"?
- Jacketty, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Gee, sounds like iPhone update 2.0, sucker in the masses to PAY to BETA test the product. Real spit & polish from Apple.
- inactive, on 08/07/2008, -0/+0Hmm, funny. All I've heard from devs is overwhelming glee when it comes to building apps and distributing them and of course raking in ***** loads of cash from the revenues. And if they're not happy I'm sure there's other better, bigger and more fleshed out platforms to work with. Oh...
- MtheoryX, on 08/07/2008, -1/+1Perhaps you're missing the point because you're thinking way to narrow in scope.
Picture this: A few developers, legit developers with paid accounts, want to give a presentation at a university (or even teach a course) that discusses "best practices" about iPhone development.
NDA completely prevents this. Not only does it prevent it, it stifles creativity and platform advancement that can be made with courses, user groups, and communities. -
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