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Exclusive: Coda from Panic Software Reviewed

macapper.com — The guys over at MacApper seem to have gotten their hands on a copy of Panic Software's unreleased app, Coda. Coda is an all-in-one editing/publishing tool set to be released Monday.

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  • neiltc13, on 10/12/2007, -8/+23Too bad the editor of this article has such poor grammar and can't proof-read.
    • KevyKev, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28I don't know, I kinda liked this phrase: "I nearly shat when I first saw this."
    • milezteg, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Haha yeah. I was in a real hurry to get that written and published, and I think when it was submitted to digg I was still editing it. Should be all fixed up.
    • thaslaw, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15Dude. It's a superb review that does a great job of conveying the feel of the app and why it's so worth using. Amongst other things, I work as an editor and seriously, the minor mistakes in the writing really did not prevent me enjoying the review. I have more trouble reading Tom Clancy. This is still better than the majority of reviews in print magazines. I forget - how much did it cost you to read the review?
    • mikev, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29Not only that, but the writer decided to screw Panic over for some ***** "exclusive" write-up. This was supposed to celebrate Panic's 10th year, and now it isn't as exciting thanks to these guys.
    • koregaonpark, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Do you have anything to say to that claim, Miles Evans (the writer)?
    • esquilax, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4mikev: i fail to see how anything has been 'spoiled.' people post Apple leaks all the time, we don't get a wailing Greek chorus (comments on TFA) every time that happens. who cares?
    • winnopeg, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7MacApper destroys all good things. I'd have rather heard about the app from Panic than some stupid 12 year old just trying to make a quick buck.
    • esquilax, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2funny how i'm getting dugg down, but nobody seems to have a response... anyone? if i'm wrong for a good reason, i'd like to know.
    • michaelyurechko, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2@ esquilax

      I totally agree with you, I mean it's a leak. MacApper did ruin the surprise a little, so I guess the birthday cake will taste like *****, but who cares?
    • snowwrestler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@mikev and others

      You have got to be kidding me. Are you just looking for something to bitch about? Most software companies would kill to have their new app frontpaged on Digg the day before it comes out--if they could. This doesn't ruin the birthday party--it's more like adding a few thousand new presents from all the people reading this.

      Honestly, this is not like ruining the ending of Harry Potter. This is a commercial app that is likely to sell a lot more copies because of the exposure it's getting right now. I would never have thought to check Panic's site tomorrow, and I'm customer and fan of Transmit. But now you know I will.
    • rstrb8r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I just hope these guys know that they are using a name already trademarked. Could be beneficial for them to make a name change NOW before the packaging, CD duplication, etc. happens. Name change could potentially save them from a $$$$$ lawsuit:
      http://www.makemusic.com/trademarks.aspx
  • caliform, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Wow, it seems my wild speculation on the 'icon post' earlier today was true. A real, feature-rich WYSIWYG remote and local web editor, with Terminal, and books management (not too sure about that one, is that useful at all? I keep my books, uh, physically near) and a damn neat tabs workflow. Seems like a great app to me!
    • asuraci, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I'm always going to php.net/function to go over what I'm doing, so I could actually see this as becoming useful. Actual books probably aren't as convenient as something on the screen.
    • vault, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@caliform
      Is it WYSIWYG? Maybe I misread it...I see they've removed the screenshots now anyway.
    • rstrb8r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Press release and screenshot s are on Panic's site now.
  • clesch, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5While I'm not all that happy with my current workflow (Textmate/CSSedit over SFTP with Transmit), I don't think that this application will come anywhere close to the features of the aforementioned individual applications. (customization through bundles/scopes/snippets anyone?)
    I still can't wait to try it out.

    • wizard13335, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2It probably won't have all the features of the individual apps, but imagine having one window for all your CSS, HTML, FTP, Terminal and Book items. That is much better than having a screen cluttered with a TextWrangler, Camino, RapidWeaver, multiple CSSEdit (until tabs are added in the next version), and Transmit windows. However, I just bought CSSEdit, so I'll probably stick to that for a while, especially considering that Coda's probably gonna be extremely expensive. Can't wait to try it out, though.
    • evenson, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Umm. Eclipse?
    • DOGPARTY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I don't think anything comes close to Textmate/CSSEdit/Transmit, so I don't think you will ever be happy
    • evenson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm not quite sure why I'm being dugg down for mentioning Eclipse. Textmate is a nice editor if you're working on small projects, but if you need a full IDE with perspectives, built in dictionary and method browsers as well as CVS or Subversion support Eclipse is simply in another class.

      Having said that, I love Textmate and use it all the time, along with BBEdit for certain things. It's just a matter of choosing the right tool for the job. Where will Coda fit in? I suppose we'll find out. I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.
    • bradleyland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Having all these apps open used to bother me until I tweaked my working environment a little bit. Exposé combined with VirtueDesktops has cleaned up my workspace considerably. I run TextMate + CSSEdit + an open browser window on one desktop, then an iTerm session on a second desktop. My third desktop is used for whatever other tasks I may need to do, like research a method for achieving something in CSS, looking up an API reference, or taking a break.

      Not fragmenting your work helps a lot as well. If you are not already, you should be running a local dev environment that allows you to preview your work _before_ you deploy to your live environment. I used to think it was really cool that I could use apps like Transmit to edit files live from my sites, but a couple of screw-ups along the way have convinced me otherwise. Once I started using RoR + Capistrano, I recognized the value of a local dev environment with some type of deployment work flow. I now treat all my sites the same way, and it has salvaged my sanity.
    • phatvolvo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Zend Studio, Symfony and Subversion here... I'm sorry, I used to use Dreamweaver and FTP, and I can't see an editor with FTP working as well as SVN. In fact I can't see anything because there are no screenshots!
    • phatvolvo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1on second thought with terminal built in it'd be fine for svn. Might have to give this app a try before I rubbish it
    • mikee7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'll stick with TextMate, CSSEdit, and CyberDuck
  • pierre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This app looks to fill a nice gap for me. Right now I am using skedit because it is an filemanager/editor/ftp client bundled together. Its very good, but Im looking for something a bit more. User interface looks to be very clean and elegant. Hope they have a trial version right away tomorrow.
  • theeXguy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4This looks like a neat Web Developers Suite. Too bad it's just for Macs. I usually use Dreamweaver 8 (the coding part of it, WYSIWYG is not to be used, it's evil). I just wish Adobe will have a beta version of Dreamweaver 9 available soon, and I hope they will get it right. Too many useless functions in Dreamweaver 8. I mostly use it for syntax highlighting and quick ftp to the Dev server.
    • neiltc13, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Dreamweaver's colour coding is excellent, I agree.
    • TroubleInMind, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Don't drive an SUV because you like the radio. If you never use WYSIWYG mode anyway, you want syntax highlighting and source editing with FTP/SFTP use a programmer's editor like UltraEdit32.
    • W3bbo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Dreamweaver for syntax highlighting? A lot of people can't discern the difference between a proper implementation of intellisense versus a hardcoded dropdown list and some coloring here and there. I use Visual Studio 2005 because it parses my XHTML, CSS, (and most importantly, JS) as I write them, giving me proper intellisense. Dreamweaver doesn't come close.

      I recommend you try VS before Coda (or try them both next to each other), you'd be surprised how non-evil Microsoft is in this department.
    • nayr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2emacs! it does everything in that app :p

      I'm glad, though, this looks like an app that kicks all those bloated expensive products out of the water.
    • electrichead, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The real bonus of Dreamweaver is creating code snippets and assigning keyboard shortcuts to them. I don't know many other editors that allow this. I mostly use Notepadd++ now, mainly because of the very useful TextFX functions and how fast it is.
  • koregaonpark, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Looks like a great app, and something I'm sure many web designers and people running their own sites will find useful. What I don't like is the icon. Shoulda hired the Betts boy.
  • aptmunich, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Looks sweet!

    I'm currently running a combo of Subethaedit, Transmit, Rapidweaver and my 2 favorite css reference sites open in Safari.

    To have most of that functionality in one single app would be really useful.

    Let's hope they have a promo offer for transmit customers!
    • sirjimithy, on 08/28/2008, -0/+1They do. You save $10 if you have a Transmit license.
  • D3koy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Hmm...sounds really interesting, certainly worth checking out...Free trial?
  • JontaaKinth, on 10/12/2007, -13/+0http://ma.gnolia.com/fujuge http://ma.gnolia.com/fasotor http://ma.gnolia.com/driwagaci
  • shadownight, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13I'd be surprised if Panic authorized them to publish that review... seems to me I wouldn't want another site to completely spill the beans on my new release a day before.
    • koregaonpark, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I wouldn't mind, if that site got on Digg, Slashdot etc. It's free publicity and promotion.
    • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14I can see why they wouldn't like it, but put it this way... I had no idea there was a new app being released tomorrow until I read this.
    • jebudas, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15all positive "leaked" news is intentional.
    • d00d, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6This app was going to get on Digg regardless of this bean spilling review. The "they'll be happy about the free publicity" angle just doesn't hold up. This review was straight up self-serving. All other angles are simply rationalizations.
  • Ashepp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I'm diving into LAMP development and trying to figure out the best toolset for Windows. Beyond Dreamweaver are their other good alternatives you'd recommend ? Is Visual Studio an option to look at ? Anything else from an a la carte perspective ?
    • riverrunner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Perhaps UltraEdit as someone recommended, and JEdit is not too bad - but... OS X is a lot easier to do LAMP cause the Apache PHP is included and its the same Unixy Apache/PHP/filesystem commands as you will likely upload to a Linux web server. Yes you can do this on Windows but there are many more hoops to jump through.
    • canon66, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I rather like Notepad2. It's simple but it has good syntax highlighting and it's very light and quick. It might be a little too light for very large projects but for most coding work it's pretty good, I used it for building whole set of intranet web apps. I usually use FileZilla for FTP/SFTP access and Firefox with Firebug and the web developer toolbar.

      Well at least I did when I was working on a Windows box at my last job (PHP/Perl/ASP). Now I use TextWrangler, Transmit and Firefox.
    • jawngee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1PHPEclipse. Eclipse in general. Although I was a fan of Nusphere PHPEdit too, but I think eclipse is more "professional" overall.
  • LeberMac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Bravo, Panic software. More excellent software.
  • tizz66, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It looks really nice, I'm just not sure I could give up Textmate for anything but CSS. But I'll certainly give it a fair try.
  • chrisutley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It won't appeal to everybody, but I'm sure they will find an audience for this tool. Panic is the kind of software developer that makes the Mac experience special.
  • ElbridgeGerry, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7http://www.duggmirror.com
    • l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Is it just my side of things, or is duggmirror down?
      Coral didn't catch it either. :(
      edit -- no, it did, but no CSS or images.
  • pengas, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2an editor with tabs, search and replace, live editor and ftp..
    how is that suppose to excite any average developer exactly?
    • Timan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Cause its PURDY
    • DOGPARTY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Because thats all people use Dreamweaver for these days, and this will be a fraction of the price and have a much more streamlined and intelligently designed interface.
  • jlgolson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3All you people saying 'Hey, Panic isn't going to like this' are stupid. Yes, everyone loves publicity, and even if they didn't give permission, THEY DO NOT HAVE TO. This is America, anyone can write about anything (within reason).

    If they broke an embargo, then they just won't get a hot tip next time, though Drudge does it all the time and he's doing OK.

    Have a look at this too: http://valleywag.com/tech/media-relations/a-flack+resistant-journal-253467.php
    • winnopeg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Panic would have rather this be announced by them. They only had a small beta team of long time users, not a send us an emal and it's yours... That in itself says something.
    • jlgolson, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Hahahahah and I am SURE that all of you people bitching about the screenshots NEVER read any rumor sites or look at prerelease screenshots of Leopard or the iPhone right?
    • chrisutley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"This is America, anyone can write about anything (within reason)."

      Unless you signed an NDA to enter the Beta and then spilled the info anyway. I think it's unfortunate, but it happens to companies as big as Apple and as small as Panic.
  • mishad7, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3Here are the images from the article, since they have been removed:

    http://macapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/coda1.png
    http://macapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/coda-editor.png
    http://macapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/coda-books.png
    http://macapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/coda-preview.png
    http://macapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/coda-terminal.png
    http://macapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/coda-css.png
    http://macapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/coda-pref1.png
    http://macapper.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/coda-pref3.png
  • danbedford, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Bring it on Panic! I've been wondering what's going on with Transmit updates and I guess this is the answer to where they're development has been focused. This looks like it will fit PERFECTLY with my workflow. The terminal being buit-in is an amazing addition so I can ssh into my webservers and edit configuration files all in the same app. Awesome.
  • HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Article talks about how switching to Mac means you don't have access to good editors. Then it says the Coda one is good and shows a pic of it. The pic shows the app has a tabbed, screen-hogging interface. In other words, it appears they have ported MDI over to the Mac.

    Tell you what, you PC people keep MDI. I don't want it, and I don't welcome programs that mimic it. And that includes XCode. (Oh, and yes, I use MDI almost every workday in Visual SlickEdit on PC).

    Please Panic, go back to the drawing board with your interface. It's pretty, but it's a screen hog.
  • rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2O_O

    Gimme!
  • aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4I was looking forward to seeing what it looked like. I guess Panic Software panicked and they are not interested in my money. Oh well.
  • beng, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0http://duggmirror.com/apple/Exclusive_Coda_from_Panic_Software_Reviewed/
  • ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Shame. I understand it now, Cabel Sasser, founder of Panic has posted a blog entry focusing Transmit users a while ago asking if they want to beta test something.

    http://www.cabel.name/2007/03/testers-wanted.html

    One of the beta testers, one idiot leaks the screenshots or even own copy to that other blogger. That other blogger makes it an article, gets posted to Digg. Now blame Apple etc. for strict,paranoid, evil lawyer prepared NDA if you can.

  • AceTracer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm still confused as to why so many people use a seperate application for CSS. This makes absolutely no sense to me.
    • DeaPeaJay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It's for those who prefer not to do the CSS by hand.
    • AceTracer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes but CSS styles markup. How can you write CSS without the markup? Or markup without CSS? They're completely dependent on each other.
  • DeaPeaJay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I sure am glad Panic didn't get bought out by Apple for Audion all those years ago!
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