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- thecoolestcow, on 10/12/2007, -16/+58Dvorak is stupid. When was the last time you saw one of his "predictions" come true?
- FrankNote, on 10/12/2007, -17/+54Not sure if you meant your question as a joke...
...most recent "stupid" Dvorak "prediction" was Mac on Intel. - Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -6/+35By the way before people jump in and say Dvorak predicted Windows on a Mac. He actually predicted that Apple would drop OS X completely for windows, but Apple has only allowed Windows to boot on a mac way easier (in a very Apple way), and thus has only made more switchers to Mac as a result.
- threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24"Tired of regular old ssh, telnet, rlogin, vi and other stupid boring"
I dunno, I use OS X and use those old, stupid, and boring apps all the time... - NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -9/+33"most recent "stupid" Dvorak "prediction" was Mac on Intel."
Dvorak predicted Apple going to intel "within a year" for well over a decade. Sorry, that doesn't count as a hit, it counts as being wrong for years and years before getting lucky.
-jcr - panique, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26Dvorak is a troll, plain and simple. His National Enquirer style headlines are designed to get people to look, thereby increasing page view and clickthrough counts. Please don't feed the troll. I remember a guy on slashdot that went by UberTroll. Since the name seems to be unused at this time, I move that we grant the moniker to Dvorak.
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25Today, or ten years ago?
There was a time when Sun had a world-class enterprise sales force and professional services group. Today, it's a ghost town. This makes no more sense than Apple buying SGI, or any other formerly-important company.
-jcr - the_snitch, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20agreed...dvorak loves to create baseless speculation.
Just because a few of his "predictions" has came true doesn't mean anything. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17personally, I love Sun hardware. I have 4 Sun boxes here at my house that are older, but they are all original and still run well. Much like my Mac hardware, I just don't have problems with my Sun hardware. It just works. Granted I am not using it for massive databases or anything, but my Ultra 1 and my Ultra 10 are busy crunching seti@home packets for me :)
- astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18You have been trolled by Dvorak. You have lost. Have a nice day.
- Suits, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Apples need Sun to grow.
- princemackenzie, on 10/12/2007, -18/+30So what use does Sun hold for Apple again? Why would they buy them?
- jakk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I think I speak for most of us Apple/Sun fans when I say
Dvorak, please kindly STFU. - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -7/+19Sun owns PATENTS and Java and JINI
dvorak = dufus - whiteguysamurai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Well, for instance, apple is non existant in the server market, if you want to set up high priority servers you look at either IBM or sun.
I'm sure that's a market apple would love to have.
Ipods are nice, but apple has to think about it's future. - maehem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12$13 Billion ( with a B ) revenue per year is nothing to shake a stick at.
Then there is the Java.
Most of Sun's customers are in the big enterprises. Just because you don't see them at BestBuy, doesn't mean they don't exist. Again... that's 1300 Million Dollars a year in revenue. That's alot of money in my book.
Also, Java is really big in enterprises right now. Go search Monster.com for Java and J2EE. Lots of really good jobs out there if you know that stuff. - AceTracer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11I really, really wish people would stop digging his ***** articles. As long as he keeps getting traffic he'll keep writing this drivel; he's like the National Enquirer of the tech industry. Dugg down for lameness, just like every other article ever submitted.
"...Folks, the Mac platform is through -- totally -- and this may be the last, if not the next to last, Mac show..."
John C. Dvorak, January 1998 - Kazrog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12Dvorak didn't just predict Macs on an Intel, he predicted Snakes on a Plane!!!!
- joeolivas, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Sun has been doing some very interesting work as of late. Now that they have begun to open source some things, they are starting to get more attention. Not that I buy into anything that Dvorak vomits, but if there is a time to acquire Sun, it is now.
And yes, ZFS, DTrace and the Solaris kernel are awesome pieces of engineering. - DontSayFanboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8
You might want to tell FreeBSD and Apple that Sun has nothing to offer them, because they just spent a lot of time porting Dtrace to their kernels. There is a little community around open solaris that would probably want to know they're wasting their time as well. - samcrut, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Dvorak needs to be banned from ever mentioning Apple in any medium he touches. It's always just a click-baiting tactic. If his editor says his clicks are down, he writes that Apple is [insert absurd proposition here], which drives hoards to his article to tell him how wrong he is.
I listened to 2 episodes of TWIT. The first didn't have Dvorak on, then in the second I realized he was a regular who just wasn't available for that previous taping, and I haven't listened to the show since. (Sorry Leo) - Matic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11In my industry, semiconductor, sun is a big hitter. Plus, didn't I just read an article about how Sun is now the number one workstation used? Am I crazy?
- eddigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11This is a typical Dvorak "throw away" piece. He says something stupid/controversial just to get a reaction. Like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Ignore it.
- daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10What does linux have that is comparable to ZFS or DTrace?
- dustyshadow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Sun is also used heavily in the aerospace & defense industries.
- shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11there's many possibly desirable synergies to be had between sun and apple, apple could gain access to markets previously un thought of, and ally itself more closely with the corporate sector. apple and sun technologies and intelectual properties could be of much benifit to both companies (IMHO). remember both companies have been around a while and have impressive sets of IP and production bases.
i'm not going to do a complete study of the matter, but to all those people saying there's no reason to do such a thing, well, your wrong. - mikegioia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@ maehem
isn't 13 Billion 13,000 Million? - maehem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4
"isn't 13 Billion 13,000 Million?"
Yes it is! My typo. Add another zero boys! Let's just see if Schwartz can add another
zero. :) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Nothing. Once again, Dvorak stuns the world into silence with his baseless speculation. Jobs learned first hand what happens to Apple when handed off to a bunch of bean counters... Hello, Gil Amelio?... John Sculley? I can't see this fantasy scenario happening. There's no win in this for Apple, only for Sun. Go back to Cranky Geeks, Dvorak.
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Where do you get the idea that a merger requires that all products have to instantly become fully compatible? Sun and apple have different markets. They can start in a small way to offer more varied product solutions without having to re-write all their code.
- j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Apple spinning off iTunes/iPod business? That's the most lucrative department right now, and probably will stand to be for awhile. If anything they are going to keep embracing it as much as possible right now. iTunes in and of itself most likely breaks even for Apple, but it is the direct driving force behind iPod sales.
- bigbeefe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Everyone should just bow down to Apple now...
If Sun knows whats good for them they should beg Apple to buy them. - loganrapp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Fordi -
Shouldn't that, y'know, tell you something? Laporte likes him for a reason - because he's good at getting a discussion going.
Not saying that he's a guru or even right most of the time - I don't think so - but the man knows how to get people talking, knows what buttons to push to get that thoughtful discussion going. Laporte knows that too, and that's why he's always on TWiT.
Call them ***** posts, call it blatant blog marketing (what blog is worthwhile WITHOUT people reading? C'mon now), but hey, we're still reading and commenting on his posts. 'Course, it may be without RTFA... but still. The discussion goes on. - MorningCoder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Mac OS X cannot scale to the level Solaris could. Mac Pro is a server/workstation class machine, I'll give you that, but Apple has nothing to offer at the higher end. If Apple wants a piece of the enterprise pie, buying SUN make a lot of sense. Solaris is one solid OS for enterprise. With all the GUN tools, Solaris is also a pretty good development platform.
Love the idea of Apple+SUN - billbradford, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4He's just re-reporting news from ten years ago. The merger was actually very close to happening, but fell through at the last minute.
http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunworldonline/swol-01-1996/swol-01-apple.html - Matic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8This would be a very smart purchase by Apple. Apple is known as only the consumer PC, not a work PC. What if the number one work machine, in real industries, becomes Apple. They can conquer both worlds.
- greenamp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4People sayng Sun isn't popular in the server market are just plain silly. Data Centers use different servers for different things. If you go in any major Data Center in the United States and abroad you will see a predominant mixture of IBM, HP/Compaq, and Sun servers.
Sun makes a damned fine rack server and they are used in database workgroups quite regularly.
ps: Eric Schmidt would be a fine choice as a replacement to Jobs as CEO of Apple. When the day comes. - TheWiseFlea, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Hmm this is interesting... Remember 'project looking glass', Sun's open-source endeavor to bring 3-dimensions to the desktop and applications? Would be interesting if Apple were to implement something like this model in OS11...
- TimSee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The egos alone at the heads of these two companies would preclude a deal from ever getting done. Could Jobs/Schwartz/McNealy ever share authority?
The only way it could get worse is if you could somehow get Larry Ellison involved. Hah... - spinchange, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6...if you throw a lot of *****, some of it's bound to stick
- eyecrax, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8Dvorak is a tool.
http://static2.podcatch.com/blogs/gems/support/dvorak.mov - DeezKnots, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Dvorak is known for spreading huge false claims as an attempt to get attention on his behalf. Both companies could benifit greatly though and maybe stop Microsoft from taking over the world.
- lwatcdr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Actually Sun is now beating Dell in the server market. I think this is a load of monkey muffins. There is some good synergy between Sun and Apple. Sun offers big iron. Apple has a limited upgrade route in the server area. Sun has no laptop or desktop.
The problems come down to Intel and AMD and OS/X and Solaris.
Solaris could have been a great back end for OS/X but Apple is in no big rush to do a new OS. OS/X can not scale to a massive number CPUs like Solaris can. I just don't see how you could mesh them at this point. Too bad. A Mac based using an UltraSparc and OS/X based on Solaris instead of BSD. It might have been really cool. - maehem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I recently built a Solaris 11 system with 6TB of storage from off the shelf components.
It uses ZFS Raid-z for the file system. Total cost: about $2700.
It took literally about 10 minutes to set up the Raid ( no fdisk or newfs/mkfs needed)
and the capacity was immediately available.
It's been running without a hiccup starting at build 29(?) ( this is beta software folks),
upgraded to build 35 without a hitch and about to be upgraded to build 47. All this
with no issues and with my live data. In fact I have not even logged into it in
over two months and the samba mounts are just there and they just work.
To contrast that, I had built a Fedora Core 4 based raid system the year before and spent
every weekend for a month futzing with the Raid ( or rebuilding it ) every time it had a hiccup.
I was pulling my hair out towards the end. Sorry to bash Linux here, I've used it plenty over
the last 7 years but it was simply not as bullet proof for applications like this compared to
Solaris.
The funny thing was that setting up ZFS was very anticlimactic. It was so easy that I think a five year old could do it.
If you are into this stuff, you definitely owe it to yourself to download OpenSolaris and try it out. Check out a few ZFS tutorials and try stuff. - daldredge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3We all make mistakes.
Published: August 10, 1997, 8:30 PM PDT http://news.com.com/2100-1023-202239.html
"Ending a brief mystery he created, cofounder Steve Jobs disclosed in an interview that he sold 1.5 million shares of Apple Computer stock two months ago because he had lost faith in the company.
"Yes, I pretty much had given up hope that the Apple board was going to do anything," Jobs said in an interview with Time magazine in editions to hit the stands this week. "I didn't think the stock was going up."
The shares were trading around $15 each when he sold them in June for about $22 million. They are now trading more than 10 points higher, following the $150 million investment by Microsoft and other business alliances announced last week at Macworld Expo in Boston. "
This transaction left him with 1 share of stock. - slashdotislame, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Was Dvorak used in the title just to get more hits on this article? Not many other authors get to be in the title.
I call CHEAPO MARKETING TACTICS! - yobkeeg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Why would Apple want to buy Sun? What kind of crack is Dvorak smoking, again? Where are all these so called rumors coming out from - his ass? It probably make more sense for Dell to buy up Apple instead of Apple going after Sun... Just what Dell needs.. insanely cool products and Stevie J to run the show...
- diggdisc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4LOL. All monkeys writing articles spreading retarded rumors and digg doggies spreading the false information so they can get their article count up need to be shot.
- muikano, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5First off, read the article. Dvorak does analysis. So what if he's wrong. The stuff he proposes are predictions based on a few strands of evidence. At least the shreds of evid. are well researched and though out.
Eric Schmidt as a board member of Apple is particularly interesting for the fact that E.S. doesn't usually join boards willy nilly. This leads one to believe that he's there for some REASON. It might not be Dvorak's reason. But it something sharp to note.
It's information. And its a theory. Its not wild poppycock. Besides, there are other factors on why OpenOffice isnt on Macs. - mikew101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Mergers in order to be successful need both parties getting something out of the deal. Apple would be getting Suns intellectual property including java, solaris, and a chance to sell servers to the enterprise, but what would sun get out of the deal?
If they did this they might as well buy SGI also. Then they could own IRIX.
I would rather see them buy Tivo, and then we could insure that Tivo does not go out of business. -
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