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- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+39They were written ON the NeXT platform, not FOR the NeXT platform. We never did get sound for Doom on NeXTSTEP.
-jcr - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20"designed for college students" with VERY rich parents...
- hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Blog spam, Original article:
http://rome.ro/2006/12/apple-next-merger-birthday.html - knuckles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8The NeXT platform allowed developers of many applications to compile for other platforms FROM the NeXT workstation. This allowed developers to code once and compile to Mac, Windows and a few others (been so long I can't remember).
- Odiwan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6OMG. "The UI seemed retarded".
Back then, you were still enjoying your upgrade from a VIC-20 to a Colleco Adam. More or less. - tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It was covered in the book, "Masters of Doom." The reason why Carmack went with NeXT was simply because it was one of the fastest desktops at the time.
- Ratteler, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Buried as spam bacause poster links to his own blog instead of the real one.
Other wise I totally would have Dugg this.
Better to rule in hell, than serve in Vista. - Malakin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7This was common knowledge 10 years ago.
For those of you who don't know what NeXTSTEP is, here is video of Steve Jobs demonstrating it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j02b8Fuz73A
This is a demo of release 3 which came out in 1992. As you can see from the video it was many years ahead of anything Microsoft had available. - OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6What's *****?
- koregaonpark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Here's an interesting piece of information. Halo was first written for the Mac.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_gaming#Original_Mac_games - tartrazine, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Quake 1 = best game ever, still active too at http://quakeone.com
- Goblinkiller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why is a Mac cool? OS X is based on the NeXT operating system and NeXT was started by Steve Jobs who had been "kicked" from Apple. Later Apple understood they needed Jobs and they bought NeXT and NeXT took over Apple and replaced the old Mac OS with the new OS X. If you want to know what made a NeXT cool - look at Apple. The technology NeXT had was so nice that Apple bought to have it replace Apples own.
- sconepanman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Prototyping on NeXT for another target platform was commonplace in the early 90's, particularly in the financial world. Most of us did it because it was fun (and extremely profitable, for a while).
- floodyberry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I originally thought the tuaw guy who linkjacked and misconstrued Romero's post was pumping the NeXT connection as hot new information just to get readers, but from all these comments it would appear most people never knew or have forgotten that id developing on NeXTSTEP was public knowledge.
- scottstevenson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Can someone explain to me the appeal for NeXT?"
It must have had some value because practically everyone developer took something from what they did. Microsoft took a number of elements for Windows 95. I think it probably had some impact on Visual Basic, as well. Sun took the ideas in OpenStep to make Java. A number of developers took inspiration from EOF. There are probably others. - MrViklund, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5But still pretty interesting that they were written on the NeXT Platform.
- nitewing98, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Those who are griping about the relevance of this post have forgotten (or never realized) that Mac OS X _IS_ NeXtStep...with 10 more years of development. So, yeah, this is interesting.
- helf, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5'eh, kinda funny how some really really old stuff like this make it to the frontpage.
btw, doom runs at 800x600 fairly smoothly on my NeXT :P - jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3There might not even have been Linux or Windows Vista.
Without some vanguard of hope and freedom like Steve Jobs, Linus Torvards probably would never have bothered; Microsoft would have had no competition and thus we would still be stuck with Windows 98 SE 6 (special edition 6)....
On the other hand, Microsoft would have probably perfected their security and, since the internet wouldn't have existed without NeXt, there would be no worms and such. - arktos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3anyone who has read "Masters of Doom" (book about the rise of id and the two johns) would know this. it talks about when carmack got his NeXT and started using it to program the game engines.
but as the others said, they didn't write the games for NeXT. - fyre2012, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Tim Berners-Lee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee) also developed a funny thing called the World Wide Web on a NeXT system.
Lots of buzz about gnustep / NeXT today, eh? - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The appeal of NeXT was being able to use a fully modern computer system 15 years ago. If you look at the basic design of NeXT -- the GUI, the API design, development tools, etc, they're all very much in fashion today among modern operating systems. I'm not going to say that people stole from NeXT because they didn't invent most of these ideas -- they simply saw what was coming and embraced it long before anyone else. Here we are in the year 2007 and OSX (based on NeXT) is still cutting edge while others play catchup.
- jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"This is a demo of release 3 which came out in 1992. As you can see from the video it was many years ahead of anything Microsoft had available"
and apple, and ibm. - AngryBoy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I just finished reading this book last week. It's a "must read" if you're into video games, a programmer, or just interested in a true adventure story.
http://www.amazon.com/Masters-Doom-Created-Transformed-Culture/dp/0812972155/sr=8-1/qid=1167157563/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-6949041-7218362?ie=UTF8 - Coestar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Man, Romero just won't go away!
- dbr_onix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Although said in an annoying, you have a point -
Doom could have been written on a (fairly large) bit of note paper, or a typewritter.
But, reading beyond the story description, and blog post, it was developed/tested on NeXT. But I still don't see why this is such a big deal, although it's slightly strange it wasn't released for NeXT, other than the fact DOS was far more popular.
- Ben - Crusoe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3DUH, I knew this years ago. And DOOM was also written in Objective C, Dunno if Quake 1 was. They used Next because of it's killer Obj C dev environment.
- ishmal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2But the good ideas from them don't die, as the newer ones grok the good stuff.
- nightguilt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3also not true
- SirBotchness, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4What does that have to do with anything i said? It was originally written ON the next system but then finished on a non next system. The title of this story, which is inaccurate indicates the games were designed for a next system, which is false.
- jellygraph, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I heard NeXt saved christmas this year
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1can i run next in vmware??
- Sethwm2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1NeXT was and interesting company and this is some good information to know
- heresy0, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Can someone explain to me the appeal for NeXT? My neighbors (back when I was around 12 years old) worked for the company and had a few systems in their house. The UI seemed gimmicky and, as I recall (its been a while) it was also black and white. I'm assuming that aside from that there was some functional appeal, but what was it?
- scottstevenson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The funny thing is there'd probably be no iPod (or iTunes store) if it wasn't for NeXT.
- grinin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I would be super pissed if I spent years programming and developing on several different platforms, but mostly on one specific one, only for that platform/architecture to completely bomb in the marketplace :(
- john408408, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6if not for NeXT, there might not be Doom/Quake or OSX. Maybe.
- negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5Are you ***** retarded? "What was it finished on, and what was it made to run on?" UMMMM... MAYBE X86????
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3The NeXT platform was like a Mac computer but without all the buttsecks.
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6[quote]"designed for college students" with VERY rich parents...[/quote]
People today forget what an elitist Jobs was at the time. If he had his way, only the rich would have powerful computers, while the rest of us had cut-down clients, and computers would not play games. He seems to have changed his tune (iTune?) lately, but I'm not sure if that was because he has realized the error of his elitist ways, or because the market left him no choice.
Speaking of games, I was very surprised to learn that Jobs was a game developer at Atari for brief time. I wonder what prompted him to later acquire this intense hatred of games years later? I think his irrational hatred of games, while at the same time hypocritically championing "art" and multimedia, is one of the things that has kept Macs from fulfilling their ultimate potential.
What's so bad about games, Steve? You should have listened to Carmack back when he wanted to promote id games and OpenGL on the Mac. Steve, did that contract you signed with the Devil (Bill Gates) forbid you from promoting games on the Mac so that the Devil could spread his evil (DirecX) all over the world in place of good (OpenGL)? - goat2, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4ok they were written on the NeXT platform. . .
and? - headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -11/+5Yeah, that didn't seem right, since I thought NeXT computers were designed for college students, and universities. Sounded a little too serious for games like Doom.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4In any case, since (almost) nobody ever bought a NeXT computer, it doesn't matter much does it?
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1"In fact, with the superpower of NeXTSTEP, one of the earliest incarnations of DoomEd had Carmack in his office, me in my office, DoomEd running on both our computers and both of us editing one map together at the same time. I could see John moving entities around on my screen as I drew new walls. Shared memory spaces and distributed objects. Pure magic."
*****!!! - SirBotchness, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2Thats cool, what was it finished on, and what was it made to run on?
- tennova, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2sorry, a typo! i guess it would (by default) compile to the NeXT platform anyways.
- utdrew182, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4Can we start a pool on how long it takes some blogger to proclaim Steve Jobs invented first person shooters.
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