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- ionix18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I am so tired of those lame comparaisons. Why does 4% of the computer users are making 50% of the stories. Let me clarify 3 points:
1) Apple has been around since quite a while. Claming that you represent 4% of the market because we don't know any better is *****. We had 30 years to decide and we know both products. 96% prefers PC so accept it and stop bitching. I could argue that 10% of the world speaks Japanese and it's the best language and English sucks because you guys don't know any better and you would laugh. Well I am laughing.
2) Yes apple computers are more expensive. The article is very biaised but you have to ask yourself what kind of computer you want. Apple was never known for their great processing power but for their awesome interface and software. You are paying the premium for that and not for processing power.
3) The reliability and bug free mac. How often do your cell phone crashes? How often does your car computer freezes? Do you get blue screen of death on your microwave oven? NO?? Well of course not because OS X runs on dedicated and specified hardware for it. Why do you think Jobs doesn't release OS X for PC?? - replica, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I just configured the same Dell on their website and the price was $2,041.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Here we go again. This apple is $0.43. This orange is $0.41. Therefore, the orange is better.
- longofest, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Its a good article, and points out that you have to add in a bunch of options into the Dell to come comparable to the MacBook. I think the article compares pretty well.
MacBook advantages:
*Built-in webcam
*digital audio in/out
*gigabit ethernet
*remote
*back-lit keyboard and light sensor
*software (duh! always been a mac plus)
Dell advantages
*bigger screen
*better video (7800go vs. mobility X1600 Radeon)
*faster DVD drive (8x vs. 4x)
Other notables:
The dell has a larger battery, but not necessarily longer charge time due to larger display. The dell is also heavier, but that also comes at the cost of the bigger display. The author says that's bunk, but I disagree with the author of the article on this one.
Price advantage: MacBook at $2,499 vs. $2,681 for the Dell (before any rebates or coupons) - MaxDrax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm a certified Apple fan boy but I'm not going to argue the fact that you can get a Dell for less money than an Apple notebook.
Yes, I read the article. But how many typical Dell users care about a slot-load optical drive, optical audio, or an extra 2.5 pounds? It's all about the bottom line for them.
These comparisons are dumb...from both the Windows and Mac crowds. I'll enjoy my PowerBook, my buddy will enjoy his Inspiron. There's room for both of us in this world. - Xipher, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Dells' have almost always been cheaper. What's the big deal?
MS users will buy what they want, OS X users will buy what they want. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Dell is definitly cheaper, especially for corporate clients who always have lower price then what people see on the dell website..
- tharealmegaman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Another one that thinks the x1600 is comparable to the 7800. Nice.
Stop posting these. - flyindutchman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This article uses all the same little tricks that all the others use.
First, he compared the 9400 instead of the E1705. The 9400 is only availabe thru dell small business. that adds $$.
Second, the statement that "its not everyday you get $650 off a notebook" or whatever he said. Actually, it is. Dell offers huge coupons all the time. It's called marketing! Makes people think they are getting a better deal.
ALso, for the last time, the x1600 is not anywhere close to the 7800! Can we please stop posting these. People pay more for nicer things all the time. It's normal to do that! - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Of course they do... what the hell kind of question was that?
You need a chart to answer a rhetorical question? - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1news flash they have just updated the processor speed to go up to 2.16ghz
http://www.apple.com/uk/macbookpro/ - tupuli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is not hard people.
If you want an Apple, get the MacBook Pro. If you want a PC, consider the Dell.
The author of this article is a complete asshat. Dell's non-discounted prices are always inflated, so much so that the "true" price *is* the discounted price.
Why do people get so emotionally invested in their Apple purchases? It seems that whenever an Apple product has a flaw (bad iPod battery, iPod scratches, high laptop costs) people 1) sue Apple or 2) seek propaganda that tells them that "no, you really did make a good purchase". These types of articles are an attempt to mitigate potential buyer's remorse, not a way of informing the public. Same goes for the Xbox vs PS rants. Anyone who doesn't purchase both consoles wants to believe that they purchased "the right one". - P0W3RMAC, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Everyone knows that Apple charges a premium for their computers, Mac fans who keep on denying this are dilliousnal.
When I bought my iBook last December, I knew that it was underpowered compared to the other notebooks in the price range.
It's all about the OS, the software (iLife '06 hands down beats anything on the PC), teh sexy looks, and the experience.
You just can't beat the Apple experience (AKA happy-go-lucky computing) and once you experienced it, you'll understand it all.
[PM] - kalisphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> "I think its quite clear that a dell is better value for money overall."
Value is subjective. I wouldn't buy this Dell -- simply because I hate the design, hate the OS (if I load Linux, then I'll only be dissatisfied), don't like the company, et cetera. It might seem argumentative or bull-headed to you, but I don't put a cash value on Exposé -- or GarageBand or iMovie HD or Safari or the ability to run excellent proprietary applications *as well as* an immense amount of open source software quickly and painlessly in a 2D/3D-accelerated X11 :-) Not to mention the iSight, the power cord, et cetera.
Now, I'm not arguing that the MacBook is the right choice for everyone. I drive a 1994 Nissan, I'm currently running a 7-year-old Blue & White G3, my cell phone is taped together :-P So I'm not spending money for the hell of it, here, I'm spending because I put a premium on my computing experience and Apple's design and OS are what enable me to work as efficiently as I ever have. The value of the MacBook Pro (to me) is immensely higher than that of the Dell, so I sell half my books and musical instruments to be able to afford the MBP :-) - SpacemanSpiff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Pointless.
Plus, he intentionally leaves out the coupon price at the end. Even though he points it out in the article, it's misleading when presented on a chart. - foxhoundadmin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1any laptop i buy is going to HAVE to have at least TWO usb ports for an external keyboard AND mouse. then, i'd like to be able to plug in my usb drive. later, i might need to print a few documents. i'm already using FOUR usb ports! WTF was apple thinking when they said, "gee, i think two usb'll be 'nuff' for most people!" nope. that probably wasn't it. it was MAD DOG! he has the final say in these matters. he was probably like, "yo! i don't use mo' dan two usb, so dat means otha people don't use more dan two usb, and if dey do...**** 'em!"
so, does apple plan on including a FREE usb hub like they plan on including a FREE upgraded cpu? *pfft* get off it people! that cpu "upgrade" was included in the price from day ONE! apple fanboys can be so stupid!
*aaahhh, that feld NICE!* - benb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yep, the comparison is lame - if for no other reason than they are comparing the Dell, a desktop replacement, to the Macbook which is still light enough to be somewhat portable. Comparing across laptop types is pretty useless.
I don't care either way which one is BETTER since that is an impossible question to answer.
If you need a 15-inch screen in something that won't have to sit on your desk all day then get the Mac. If you want a Windows machine and a 17-inch screen to sit on your desk most of the time then get the Dell. - s3t3c.astr0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1impactedcolon wrote: "How can a chip "freed" from the majority of the market share and "freed" from infinitely more software do more in a machine that has less users and less apps? No sense"
I think Apples talks more about Mac OS X there then anything else. As most Windows users have to reinstall every six months and run damn slow anti-virus software.
And why do most non-mac users always assume that the windows platform has infinitely more software? ever heard of open source? And how many of the top 100 apps of these infinitely ones don't already exist on the Mac platform?
Sure, Apples advertising is very cocky! but so are also Apples products. - pmr12002, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Macworld.com Hum yep I expect an unbias opinion from this site
- ayeaye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1another idiotic post by a delusional apple fanboy....
Dell is all about savings.... esp their famous 750 off 1500 purchase coupon. Apple simply can't compete with that, not that they want to. Apple wants to squeeze every possible cent from their brainwashed *cough* slaves *cough* - valis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1How nice. Yet *another* comparison and a biased one at that. The entire article is a story of one man's quest to prove a MacBook is a better financial choice than a Dell (where are all the other laptops?) laptop.
I don't care. Disingenuous, biased, and a complete waste of time (unless, of course, you are a journalist who is paid for product placement ads disguised as unbiased articles.)
No Digg. Gimme something interesting. - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> everyone knows that Apple stuff is heavily overpriced.
Expensive, yes. Overpriced, no.
And yes, for those of you struggling through economics 101, there *is* a difference. - bisabuelo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0what an idiotic article. why compare the full retail price of the computer when the coupons are so easy to come by. not to mention that there are almost always automatic discounts on the website. also, stating that the software required to "make the pc function" would make up for the HUNDREDS of dollars that you save by buying a pc is ludicrous. first, some of the best antivirus (avg) and spyware (adaware, ms antispyware) are all 100% free. no cost whatsover. even if you think norton or mcafee is a necessity, those cost at most $50 a year. where does he get off saying this software costs so much? saying that the mac comes with a great suite of valuable software like ilife is one thing. saying that you need hundreds of dollars of software to make up the difference between the two is quite another and blatantly false.
- JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I though a Chinese company bought IBM's computer business?
- sastian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ugh . here we go again. an apple user would never post this because he knows like i know its not about the hardware. its about the OS. hell the buy the dell and put OSx86 on there has the best answer yet. you other windoze fanboyz.... enjoy your flame war and next time lets compare the 2 with ubuntu on them, then no one will want to use them!
- jeromehorwitz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0More Macphan crap!!!
7800 series vs. 1600 series? Why no mention of that? I would say at a minimum this is a substantial performance advantage on the part of the Dell.
A 17" vs. 15.4" screen? That's go to be worth something as well.
Ok, so the Mac has more software listed. All of that included with Mac OS X! Some of that you can even download for Windows - for free! Why not list WMP as software? After all, you can play DVDs with it, you can listen to music, you can organize files, you an rip CDs with it, and burn CDs.
MACPHAN, you have a lot of growing up to do. For years we computer users have been beat over the head with propaganda from not only APPLE, but MACPHAN as well.
I use BOTH PLATFORMS. And I've got to admit that MACPHAN is indeed phanatical for the most part, and definately the LEAST OBJECTIVE of either PC or Apple fan. - charmedguy18, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I can't ***** wait 'till I get a Macbook Pro!!! W00t!
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0any laptop i buy is going to HAVE to have at least TWO usb ports for an external keyboard AND mouse. then, i'd like to be able to plug in my usb drive. later, i might need to print a few documents. i'm already using FOUR usb ports! WTF was apple thinking when they said, "gee, i think two usb'll be 'nuff' for most people!"
Apple keyboards have built in usb ports so your mouse would plug in to there. there is a card slot if you need more, not everyone does. - ImpactedColon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"A little off topic -- does anyone know if Dell ships the OS CD's anymore with the machine? I know they stopped doing it for Home, but I was hoping they would fix that. Sometimes a recovery partition is beyond useless."
Oh, man that makes me angry. They still don't ship the CDs, but if you call and complain, they FedEx them to you next day. I just calmly called and said "I paid for a full license to my OS software, and you have neglected to give me the CDs for which I rightfully own a license. I require that you send this and any recovery CDs to me immediately." They do. I think it's criminal that they withhold the software you've bought the rights to use, just because they don't want people "screwing around and reinstalling their systems." - smashedeagle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm a uninformed user -- about to buy his first laptop. I have a Dell Desktop now (cost was about 1600 in 2001) when I baught it. I'm not sure if I am better sticking with a Dell Laptop or the Macbook. My main concerns are
:
Compatability -- will the mac open files from word/etc. made on a pc and vice versa?
will i be able to open acrobat files for mac?
What does Boot Camp do exactly? -- does it make all what ive asked about above come true?
Does OS X include it?
Will Apple come out with a completly comparable computer soon?
Is there anything else I should be concerned about?
I'm a graduate student so running statistial software - sending files (word mostly) and being able to access information are my key concerns. -- also i care more about how well the product is made and will last etc (not become outdated super quickly) becuase I'm not in the market to buy a new computer every year.
Again I do not know very much -- and in that sense when a new user is lookin around for advice that compares its helpful to mention ideas or things that demonstrate to someone new (like me) what is out there. - Tekmazter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"""
Though biased like any other (Mac fans tend to be a little cultish and fanatical, but let's face, I'm a PC user because I'm a gamer, not because I like windows, Mac has the better OS; sorry for the tangent), my main problem was the comparison to dell. Dell is probably one of the most overpriced brand names in Windoze-based PCs, and on top of that, are more prone to breaking down and needing fixes. Working at circuit city I saw close to twice as many Dells come in as any other brand, if not all other brands, and it's more than just market share alone could explain (even in high school, probably 85% of the dell's in school were constantly breaking down, statistics say market share wouldn't account for almost everything from one location breaking down).
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At $400.00 for a standard issue workstation, how is Dell overpriced? Are you kidding. Oh, and I work at a company with over 1000 dell pc's in use every single day. I have less than a 1% failure rate on any of my machines (hardware-wise). I'm not even a Dell fan but I've been around them for years and they have always been pretty reliable.
BTW ... people return stuff all the time saying it's BAD when you know it ISN'T... Working for Circuit City, you'd think you would already know that. - ruiner5000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile Processor ML-37 with PowerNow!™ Technology
1024MB 33MHz DDR System Memory (2 Dimm)
Dual hard drive for double storage capacity (160GB (5400RPM) 80GB x 2)
DVD+R/RW and CD-RW combo drive with double layer support
17" WXGA High-Definition BrightView widescreen display (1440 x 900)
6-in-1 digital card reader for fast photo transfer
HP QuickPlay for instant movies and music
HP Mobile remote control stores in the PC Card slot
Microsoft® Windows® XP Media Center Edition - ImpactedColon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"And why do most non-mac users always assume that the windows platform has infinitely more software? ever heard of open source? And how many of the top 100 apps of these infinitely [sic] ones don't already exist on the Mac platform?"
Most open source programs run on multiple platforms, so that argument doesn't float. If you're denying that there is more PC software available than Mac software, it's not worth my time even having this discussion. Please embrace reality. Just because Mac may have one eachof most kinds of software, that doesn't mean it's particularly good. Options are always nice, as you indicated by the open source titles. Why have open source if the Mac programs are all meeting your needs?
Just because the Intel chip runs OS 10, that still doesn't mean it can "do more than it ever did in a PC." If your argument is that the chip can finally operate an OS, then that's just lousy. - althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Wow I must have been tired, I said makes instead of macs. LOL
- althe3rduww, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The battery life on the turions suck.... I know because I have had 6 of them. Once again someone comapring only selective specs to make it seem as if they can decide for the majority. If battery life doesn't matter to you then get the 64 bit turion but the rest of us I am sure will want to make our own decision. And on a PORTABLE computer battery life definatly does matter to me and makes rule the battery life department.... I know I have had 3 of them.
And yes I really have had a lot of laptops. - DiGiTaLFX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think its quite clear that a dell is better value for money overall. After all at then end of the day the dell advantages are major system parts where as the mac advantages just come down to connectivity. And the software?! There are free equivelants for each piece of mac software so thats no big deal.
Would I spend the extra for the mac? Well yeh I would actually. I'd pay the extra just to run OS X. Altho Linux on a Dell would be the next best thing. - archer75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"shoddy engineering: the fall apart inside and out, not very durable"
I find they are extremely durable and reliable
.
"repairs: fixing them sucks,takes forever"
Someone comes out to your house the next day and that is taking forever? Or they just send you a new laptop. Quick and easy.
"theys ugly: well, they is. There is something to be said for style and dells don't say it."
I like thier new notebooks. Thier desktops are ugly but what do I care? It sits under the desk out of sight. - miletwo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've been using Macs and PCs side by side for over 10 years now. Same old debate... same tired topic. Even before OS X, this was a lame argument. Now, being *nix, it's actually capable of competing with my PCs on virtually every task save for gaming.
This article did however do a good job of pointing out the same obvious thing we (Mac users) have been saying for years. Do a real comparison of actual comparable features and the prices is virtually the same.
Digg+ - topper24hours, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thanks to article writer for ripping apart the other reviewer's Dell FUD!
- MOGua, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Toshiba M400 (dual-boot WinXP Tablet/OS X 10.4.4) is better IMHO AND it's a tablet.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0
Compared the MacBook to a Thinkpad T60...
-nearly identical specs and parts
-nearly identical quality
-nearly identical prices
That Dell doesn't compare well to the Thinkpad, let alone to the MacBook. - benb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0A little off topic -- does anyone know if Dell ships the OS CD's anymore with the machine? I know they stopped doing it for Home, but I was hoping they would fix that. Sometimes a recovery partition is beyond useless.
In the small biz segment it is an option (for a small fee), but not the home. - danr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Although macs are tempting, it seems that many of the people I know who own apple products have problems with hardware failing. Also, many people, when recommending a mac will suggest to get a long term "applecare" warranty as they have themselves had hardware problems and realize how expensive it is to have apple repair their machine.
- StoneWolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Dell doesn't seem to understand that "high end" doesn't need to be huge! I'd be MUCH more interested in a 12-14" wide-screen core duo from either Dell or Apple.
8 lbs for any laptop is freaking ridiculous. There are times where I wish that my 6 lb Thinkpad was lighter. - jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Coupons and rebates...no thanks.
- aggrazel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Apple Fanboys is old and busted like Mullets.
- JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The chart shows the Mac Book Pro drive as being a Dual-layer drive? I thought Apple could only get a single layer drive thin enough to fit the computer? The spec sheet at Apple.com does not specify.
Can someone clear this up? - MOGua, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0just noticed this...Look at the ads (turn off your ad-block) at the top: Dell Coupons.
Man, digg.com is practically running on Dell AdSense ads, yet diggers are bashing them with apples.
anyways, if you LOVE DIGG and HATE DELL: click on them DELL ADSENSE ADS. - Tezgno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Doesn't anyone realize that this is the forth article comparing the exact same two machines? All four of them were posted here on Digg.
- benb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, unless its been updated I think the burners are single-layer b/c of the ultra-slim design.
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