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- Keropipi, on 10/12/2007, -60/+231too bad he doesn't realize that widgets and "spotlight" search were NOT programs invented by Apple.
- MBX1, on 10/12/2007, -32/+172yeah. for a second i thought he was for real and defending microsoft.
nice stab in ms' rib. - InsomniaSlim, on 10/12/2007, -45/+161@iamcitzen:
Are Mac users REALLY that anal? OSX vs. OS X? Seriously?
That would be like a Windows user dismissing someone for typing Win XP vs. WinXP. Stick your nose back into the air where it belongs, not commenting in Digg.
And I'm getting tired of the "they ripped off this" commentary... you'd think we were children on a playground. It's merely fodder for software bashing... no credibility in my mind. - Schug, on 10/12/2007, -17/+90He sounds way too sarcastic. He needs to talk more serious-sounding like Steven Colbert. It's funnier that way.
- OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -26/+92Apple's stock price has more to do with iPod than OSX.
- ersnyder, on 10/12/2007, -9/+70I'm a Apple fan boy just as much as the next. But trying to point out how much better you are then someone by stating they forgot the space between OS X is just as retarded as you sound.
I used to work for Apple and we said OSX all the time. WHO ***** CARES. You know what they are talking about.
"Look at me, I have small genitalia, so I go on digg and correct poor grammar and spelling to compensate for it." - bking, on 10/12/2007, -22/+63@jamcitizen: I would take you seriously, but you're ripping somebody apart for confusing OSX for OS X. Pull that stick out of your ass and eat it.
edit: wow, beat. - davidlow, on 10/12/2007, -13/+50@chris9902
"he forgets to mention Microsoft previewed sidebar back in 2002 before OSX had it. did OSX invent the search box?"
You picked the wrong examples to make your point. Try again.
When Microsoft previewed Sidebar in September, 2002, the name referred to something completely different, a replacement for the Taskbar. Only in August 2004, two months after Apple first previewed Dashboard (coincidence?) did the name "Sidebar" start referring to the Dashboard lookalike it is today, and it was released over two years after that.
By the way, Dashboard is based on "Desk Accessories," an Apple OS component from 1984. (Please nobody mention Konfabulator, which was never part of any operating system.)
Oh, and that little search box? Spotlight returns results from WITHIN the body of PDFs, Word documents (ANY documents), image tags, emails, music, system settings and lots of other applications. It maintains a database of key words and associations so that the search happens instantly. And there's no need to right-click, choose 'Search' and click OK at the end. Now, over two years later, Vista finally has a similar feature. - InsomniaSlim, on 10/12/2007, -21/+56What evidence? And it's attitudes like this that keep GOOD software ideas from being propagated!
Ok, so let's say MS "copied" ideas. What do you want them to do? Kiss Apple's ass? Tell the whole world where they got the idea? They saw something that worked, and they used it within their software context, or "made it their own." Sure, it's cheap, and maybe it can be considered "sleazy." But it's also the mark of a GOOD IDEA. Imitation is the finest form of flattery.
I'm just tired of the "hey, you STOLE THIS!" when it comes to look-and-feel, "trash cans" vs. "recycle bins," glass vs. metal. I DON'T CARE, just make me an opsys I can use. - RobertHodgen, on 10/12/2007, -13/+48http://www.macdailynews.com/gfx/article_gfx/050415_start_copying.jpg
- yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -13/+46so you are saying you want us all to sleep with your wife?
- dixonr315, on 10/12/2007, -7/+40I am sure this will start a flame war. But if you can treat it as just a fun bit of humor, as I did, it is funny.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -10/+41The thing is, I actually don't mind if they copy every good feature on OSX. I'd be even happier if they copied it and one-upped it.
I mean please, we were making the same complaints about Japanese car companies copying features in American cars back in the 80's. They not only copied many of the features, in many ways they made it better.
A little competition always benefited all of us. - twinn233, on 10/12/2007, -8/+37pretty funny, even if you use windows :-)
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -7/+36"Windows sucks because it doesn't have the features that OS X has!"
"Beryl is hot, it has shiny new graphical effects!"
"Windows sucks because it has features that OS X has, and bloated useless graphical effects!"
Listen, seriously. Go get yourself a double grande and hole up in the comfy corner chair with your glowing apple logo to beckon the others of your kind. I like Macs. I like Windows. I like Linux. I hate hypocrites. - Rndm_Tngnt, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33I've always preferred: "Imitation is the sincerest form of plagiarism."
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -7/+28nytimes.com... are you kiddin?
- chesterton, on 10/12/2007, -19/+40I like David Pogue's work... very tongue in cheek. He seems more comfortable with an audience, however... most of the podcasts I've heard him on, he seems more naturally funny.
Digg for this one, tho. - smhill, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23A) Xerox was paid very well for it
B) Apple hired the developers of that GUI
C) Apple significantly improved/changed the original concept.
It wasn't straight up "copying". In essence they bought it and hired the team and took it to a new level. No ripping off going on there. - Markie1006, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26Did you forget?
Microsoft don't copy, they 'innovate' - qualar, on 10/12/2007, -9/+29Well if MacOS is as amazing as everyone says surely it's logical for MS to take some of its features. Seems to me MS can never win. In the browswer market everyone complain why doesn't IE have tab browsing, so eventually IE hads tabbed browsing and then what does everyone say. "IE is ripping Opera/Firefox off by putting tabbed browsing in". It seem OK for any other company to copy and MS feeature thats fine but not the other way around. Look at some of the Linux shells at a quick glance you would think you were using windows right down to the start button.
- davidlow, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26@PleaseJustDie
"Yes, yes, Microsoft didn't copy Apple just like Apple didn't copy Xerox. Who cares? Someone comes up with a good idea and everyone uses it then everyone benefits."
If it's always the same someone comes up with the good idea and the copies are never quite as good, some people will recognize the pattern and use it to make product choices. You're just not one of those people.
Oh, and Xerox never went to market with any of those ideas. Apple is just usually the one who figures out how to bring good ideas to market. Microsoft figures out how to mass produce and mass market them.
Try this analogy:
Xerox is like the first guy to figure out how to put ground beef in a sliced bun and eat it. Apple is like the first guy to figure out that if you used good quality beef & bread you could actually sell it for a profit. Microsoft is like McDonald's. - adizzy615, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22I can't believe the nytimes have David Pogue reviewing Vista. Every single review he does always end up being a comparison of Apple's offering to the product he is reviewing. And this guy have never given an Apple product a bad review. He does not even mention Apple's faults, not even for the new 5.5 ipods with their now outdated user interface, it was all glowing praise from him. This guy just seems to be too bias to be doing a review for a major news site such as the nytimes.
A vista review that does not mention backwards compatibility, ie7, wmp 11, the new sound architecture, directX 10, .Net framework 3.0 (specifially WPF and what types of applications we can expect in the future) in my opinion is in incomplete. Windows strength has always been the about the applications that run on the plaftform. Not mentioning that is doing a disservice to the reader (and viewers). - dagamer34, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20No, you Microsoft DOES innovate. They just don't do it enough. I can certainly tell you that the "ribbon" UI is a hell of a lot better than menus in Office 2007. But maybe it's because Office has soo many features that it was time to do a UI overhaul.
Guess this means that we'll need Windows to have a billion features before we can get it organized in any usable fashion. - Scatropolis, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20no....they invented playing chess on grass, which Microsoft clearly did not copy whatsoever.
- Markie1006, on 10/12/2007, -21/+38The reason it took 5 years is that they had to wait for Apple to innovate the feature-set first.
Let the digg-down commence. - sfgeek, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20@keropipi: ACTUALLY, Apple/Next had something just like Widgets waaaay back in the day that was exactly like Widgets. OS X just brought them back. Jobs brought a couple cool NextStep ideas with him.
Spotlight? I have no idea who invented that 'originally' but OS X was the first to implemenet it well. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Here is the for real, correct, link as sent out by the "email this video" link from the main page:
http://video.on.nytimes.com/index.jsp?auto_band=x&rf=sv&fr_story=d14603c1e23e6ce37920a8134a2e27b1405a4991 - inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -4/+18> too bad he doesn't realize that widgets and "spotlight" search
> were NOT programs invented by Apple.
Too bad your knowledge of computing history doesn't go back far enough to Apple's invention of desktop accessories, the concept that is a direct precursor to the idea of widgets--small, simple, one-window app that does one specific task and runs in a different space than a regular application. Just because the underlying tech and presentation changed (as it has with widgets/gadgets) doesn't mean Apple shouldn't get credit for having created the whole concept in the first place.
> Didn't Apple pay Xerox for the ideas and Microsoft just copied
>them from Apple for free? Someone can correct me if I am wrong here.
You're correct. Apple compensated Xerox for their GUI ideas. Not only that, but they hired away most of the Xerox team and added a lot of their own ideas. The original Mac OS was half the creation of Xerox and half Apple. Microsoft did not pay a dime for any of it.
(EDIT: Weird... a part of my post showed up prior to me submitting. No idea why that happened.) - unmarked, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17Technically, Apple licensed the Xerox PARC stuff and also made some dramatic changes/improvements to the original ideas that they saw (go look at the original idea then compare it to what Mac did in 1984).
Windows in turn used a licensed, early Apple GUI (which is why Apple ended up losing the suit against MS).
That said, there is no reason that folks can't poke fun at Microsoft for what seems to be an INCREDIBLE COINCIDENCE.
What it does say is that, once again, Apple is driving the direction of the industry -- not bad for a company with such a 5% market share. - auxplage, on 10/12/2007, -6/+19He just rephrased all the arguments put forth by the French guy at Apple's WWDC in August, but the French guy was less funny.
- turbodigg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15the sad thing is the "gadgets" look exactly the same as widgets. Even the weather one is simmilar. Same with the postit pad
- ersnyder, on 10/12/2007, -9/+21"Imitation is the finest form of flattery."
Brilliant! - digdug135, on 10/12/2007, -6/+18Buried as inaccurate. Jobs Natural Law #1: Anything good in Windows must have been copied from Mac OS. Jobs Natural Law #2: Anything bad in Windows should be mentioned in a commercial.
(This is a joke.) - meestercharlie, on 10/12/2007, -15/+26True. His writing is always interesting but I never realized his dry sense of humour until I saw this.
He has an evil little glint in his eye all the time too. - kamikazicondon, on 10/12/2007, -10/+21widgets do not = gadgets LOL
- inkswamp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16> too bad he doesn't realize that widgets and "spotlight" search
> were NOT programs invented by Apple.
Too bad your knowledge of computing history doesn't go back far enough to Apple's invention of desktop accessories, the concept that is a direct precursor to the idea of widgets. Just because the underlying tech and presentation changed (as it has with widgets/gadgets) doesn't mean Apple shouldn't get credit for having created the whole concept in the first place. - macewan, on 10/12/2007, -9/+19funny & true
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -27/+37@iamcitizen
I guess you're just fine with the fact that apple ass raped xerox to get where they are today, how come no one likes bringing up that little tidbit of history when dealing with apple? - deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I'm a Mac user and I really don't give a damn if Microsoft copied these features or not. Obviously the overall look and feel of Vista was inspired by OSX Tiger but who cares? Does it hurt me as a Mac user? NO. Does it help me as an occasional Windows user? YES. Everyone wins.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11scuzzman: Actually, to be fair, Windows can be very stable if you give it good hardware to run on and good drivers for it to access the hardware with.
- thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Umm... why is the link taking me to a NYT movie review of 'Charlotte's Web'?
I'm confused. - saggygrandma, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Keropipi you are wrong about the widgets, konfabulator etc copied the original of apples way back like sf said above
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -10/+19Vista isn't all that great, sorry but it's true.
- QBranch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11And Xerox PARC copied the desk! Woopdeedo!
- OhSmashing, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12*lid of suspended animation capsule opens*
Yawn. Aw jeez, do no-girlfriend nerds still give a toss whether Macs are better than PCs? I told you to wake me when it was over, Jeeves.
*wheeee sound of lid closing* - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Apple recently announced an Aero glass type thing"
Are you referring to illuminous? That is just a rumor at this point. - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Yeah, I loved it when he sarcastically compared the calendars. What do you expect a calendar to look like? Apple certainly didn't innovate the design of a calendar.
- gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -21/+29Good lord. The smug look on Pogue's face as he spewed that tripe was amazing. Doesn't he realize that most of the features that Microsoft is supposedly copying from Apple were in fact created by other developers even before Apple incorporated them into OS X?
This really is pretty disgusting. - mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Well, hear Bill Gates himself "defending" Vista ....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QdGt3ix2CQ
Must-watch. -
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