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- hiixhii, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15I'm so happy its Wi-Fi compatible. I'm a college student and most of my campus is wireless and Edge is so slow here.
- dansus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15The pictures dont do it justice. Watching the keynote shows just how amazingly smooth and practical the UI is, albiet a little slow on the rendering, but this should improve on release.
All in all, a very good start. - DelMonte, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Is the screen really a glass surface? That would be nice, because glass is very hard to scratch.
- Hydraulix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14Can't wait to install Skype on the iPhone. ;)
- rholloway, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14you always wait a year to buy an Apple product. You're basically buying a Beta at the release date--I used to pay to be the Apple guinea pig, but learned my lesson.
- racekarl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Other sources are reporting that the iPhone will run first-party software only (so no Skype), which if true knocks it down several pegs in my estimation.
- linkwray, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@flag564
"A #1 astroturer [sic]..."
Pot. Kettle. Black. - robbiedo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I want one of these without the phone part. I assume there will be an iPod based on this tech. I can't see why they wouldn't leverage their investment. Leave the wi-fi and bluetooth, and I will be happy.
- ProAm500, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7And I dont mean to throw cold water on the IPhone, but this doesnt really seem that innovative to me. Yes, is does have the Apple "slickness", and I will admit it looks really cool, which I'm sure people will gobble up, but a lot of the features have been around for a while now. Plus as in the Engadget article pointed out, its has fundamental shortcomings..
* No 3G. We know you know, but still, it hurts man.
* No over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine.
* No expandable memory. (Not that big a deal, but still from a convience factor you can just pull the card out, instead of syncing if you wanted to)
* No removable battery. (Ipod battery issues all over again?)
* No Exchange or Office support.
PLUS, its 1st party software only. The nice thing about my Windows Mobile phone, (when I had it), There were lots of software available for it...I dont know, maybe its just me, but for the price of the phone, and I know its just an initial price point, I just dont see as it being a huge breakthrough. - rholloway, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@gadgetuk
Exactly. He's got next year's model. - DaveClarkOne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why oh why did Apple limit cell service with Cingular? In MY experience, Cingular blows. CDMA might have been a better choice given the speed advantages for internet usage. I can't imagine using the internet if the speed is similar to what I experienced with Cingular --I'd rather watch a Paris Hilton interview than go through that pain and suffering. This will be the first Apple product I've wanted sight unseen, but WON'T because of the Cingular affiliation. Dammit.
You didn't hear wild applause at MacWorld when Cingular was announced, now did you? There's a reason. - ProAm500, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"he overall appears to love it"
Not for nothing, but should we have expected anything else from David Pogue? - chedabob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Sounds like its gonna be rubbish over here in the UK.
I don't particularly fancy a contract. Id rather pay double the price to get a sim-free version. - notnoisy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I have just one question:
How well is it suited for SMS messaging?
I've tried many touch-sensitive screens and typing is not easy on such a surface. The article mentions typing is difficult. A bummer for a major part of the European market, at least, where SMS is important. - NtroP, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I find "typing" an SMS message on my RAZR very painful - mostly because I never do it. My daughter, on the other hand must transcribe every conversation she has on to SMS (based on my phone bill). I've seen her respond to a message and she can "type" damn near as fast as she can talk.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that "typing" even on the number pad of a non-qwerty cell phone can be done well with a little practice. David Pogue was relating his experience, but it was the first time ever touching this phone. He said that it did a good job of auto-correcting what he typed. I'll bet with a little practice he, or my daughter, could be typing fools on something like this - although, without tactile feed back, touch-typing would be hard.
I think what you are used to plays a huge part in impressions of something different - time will tell with this. Apple can just do a software update and make the keys bigger if you turn the unit sideways to type... That's the nice thing about a phone with a completely software interface. - stainboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@racekarl: confirmed. you won't be able to install your own software on the phone.
that's not to say you won't be able to buy software in the future from the iTunes Store...if you can buy games for your iPod, who says you couldn't be able to buy additional "official" software from Apple Inc. for your iPhone in the future. especially seeing how the iPhone's running a form of Mac OS X. - ericnmu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Not to mention wifi is free in most cases.
Anyone know if this can support WPA and WPA2? - archonon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"But all of this used the phone’s built-in Wi-Fi, not Cingular’s notoriously slow Edge network. I couldn’t help wondering how bad the speed will be when you’re connecting over the cellular airwaves."
It's going to be really PAIN to use Google maps with "2.5G" network. Free & Open WiFi isn't available everywhere, when i need to find something on map, i don't have time to search open wlan-ap. Why the hell they choose to leave 3G out otherwise so advanced phone is beyond me...probably they just release "updated" version of it ½ year later. - totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3iChat would be nice..but the camera is facing the wrong way for video chat :(
- ArizonaKid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If David Pogue already expressed concerns about typing, that to me says this could be a very real problem. David even stated BlackBerry user may not want to jump ship just yet.
Phones are such a great tool for SMS and Email. So if typing is at all an issue on a the iPhone with no keys, than count me out. - ieatsmurfs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4did you fear the end of days and decide to hold up in a cave all of tuesday? Apple made a deal with Cisco so they could use the name.
- HolyJaw, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I dugg this article because I'm jealous. It's not like he really gave us any info we couldn't've guessed ourselves... we're all just highly, highly jealous we didn't get an hour with the phone AND the Jobs...
- hadimirza, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Yeah thanks, this gave some great information, but the price for the plans are still very vague. I live i Canada, and hopefully the would release it in Canada in June too because I'm having second thoughts about the plans. I mean $599 for a 2 year plan?!?? I just recently bought an unlocked SLVR L7 and all I did was put my SIM Card in it and it worked. I'm Probably going to buy it unlocked from a third world country.
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2linkwray, lol. He's my favorite Digger in the teenaged Microsoft fanboy category :)
- ieatsmurfs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well with it taking 2 months for FCC approval, this was probably the best time for Jobs to announce it and hype it up. Otherwise the FCC would have announced it and that wouldn't have been very exciting now would it?
I was hoping AppleTV would have been released today, however I guess the rumors of them having to delay til February were true (or they always planned it for a Feb. release). - HalBSure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Some people are going to like that Apple pre-announced the phone. I'm sure there are some people who would think of this an impulse buy, but I would imagine there are more people who need to plan to buy the phone. Either for monetary reasons or more importantly to figure out the timing based on their current cell phone plan. I imagine there are some people who will switch carriers just so they can use the iPhone.
- istatic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I love when people list the problems with a product before it even comes out.
Some people just aren't happy unless they're complaining about something. - RunWithScissors, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hardware my friend. Verizon charges for EVERY external service - they disable basic functions like bluetooth in favor of their own payment data exchange. That's why I left them. Verizon is not forward thinking when it comes to hardware relationships. I am concerned though with the pricing that cingular will have for data transfers. This will be a BIG issues I am sure.
- Jimgress, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I enjoyed reading this. I found it informative and honest, very little hype and he seems to express genuine misgivings.
I for one think this phone will be hit, maybe not initially, but eventually. Might follow a pace similar to the first ipod; takes a few generations to work out all the major kinks. Price is sometimes iffy, but if the product delivers, you get what you pay for. Keep in mind the ipod as a device succeeded because of the appeal and ease of use. Few other comparable mp3 players could be used with such ease by the non-tech crowd. The iphone again doesn't have the most features compared to other phones that have been out, but they are banking on the ease of use.
who knows, we'll see in the coming years. - Rethcir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'm thinking that they basically had no choice but to sign on with one provider to bend over backwards for them. No way verizon was going to give up their ringtone income or allow this non-standard UI.
- RealityCheque, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Working iChat and I'm sold.
- firemillen2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What if the performance actually sucks. web browsing is slow and messaging is impossible with the touchscreen keypad. what if the god damn thing only looks slick but is annoying to use. lmfao.
- clackerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1congratulations!
- Stucarius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am very excited about the phone and very disappointed about the Cingular thing. My whole family was about to make the switch to Verizon because Cingular is SOOOO bad.
I already have bought and use the Verizon PCExpress card for my MBP because their network blows Cingular away. My wife worked for a while (recently) at Cingular on a project here in Atlanta. That is very messed up company in her opinion and she came from Delta Airlines.
I do not think Apple did due dilagence in screening the public about which cell phone providers they liked. I think it is possible this phone could flop because of price and its being tied to one network.
What ever Apple gained by using a single provider was lost 10 fold by not having an unlocked phone.
Will it Skype? I am not sure...I will admit at first blush I was running out to get one. I think future marketeers will note the pre-release of this as a mistake because the flaw of using CIngular will begin to drive interest way down from the high it will receive in the next few weeks. I am already cooling off myself.
I do expect Apple will expand the range of phones between now and release date. - fuzzybassoon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't think google maps is going to be that bad over EDGE. I have an EDGE WinMo phone, and the Windows Live Maps, which works much like the google maps software, runs just fine over EDGE. Its all in the optimization.
Of course I wouldn't mind a UTMS version either, but EDGE seems like an OK place to start. - gadgetuk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I just hope there's space for that sort of thing.
I noticed Jobs had hundreds of albums, dozens of tv episodes and a few movies on there - add in the OS and "desktop class" apps and I'm not sure how he managed to cram it all into 8G. Unless I missed something, there's no scope for external memory either. - mrASSMAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, definitely agree. The keynote is essential for understanding how the phone works. The audience gave Jobs a standing ovation after the hour-long phenomenal unveiling of the phone.
The only problem with the keynote video is the crappy framerate and resolution.. so you still have to wait to see it in all its glory. - lepton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Steve said future models will have 3G. And Cingular has 3G, which I want on iPhone, but their EDGE isn't that slow around here (Long Island). I have a smartphone on Cingular and a Google Maps app for it and it is quite usable. I tried to get Opera to load the Times front page, but... "Out of Memory." Wonder how much RAM is in the iPhone? -Mike from http://www.myallo.com
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They will include 3G sometime in the future. Go watch the keynote.
- ProAm500, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1but stainboy, thats like a small kind of strong arm type thing dont you think? What would you if Apple sold you a computer and said, "we have this great computer, but you can only buy software from us to use on it.." This is the same sort of situation.
- tacojohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a Sony Ericsson phone with Edge and google maps on it and it works pretty well. The biggest problem I have is the input on the keypad SUCKS and the screen is uber small. But it works well for quickly looking something up and getting directions, checking movie times, weather, etc (every app that Steve demoed). I hope they make a widget for movie times 'cause I don't want to launch safari every-time I want to look it up.
They also have to make a PDF, word, powerpoint, excel, and PSD reader. I don't care about editing, but I'd at least like to check them out. If it's mini OSX then they should have the Preview app built in so that's no biggie for PDF and PSD. We need text edit for word though. - Burmask, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ah, but read this.
Both in the onstage demo and during my hands-on hour, the Web speed was OK—not great, but OK. But all of this used the phone’s built-in Wi-Fi, not Cingular’s notoriously slow Edge network. I couldn’t help wondering how bad the speed will be when you’re connecting over the cellular airwaves. (Here again, though, I was playing with a prototype whose software will undergo a lot of fine-tuning between now and June.) - brufleth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16566514/from/ET/
Oops I used the internets - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm on Sprint. However I think the iPhone will work best on a GSM provider. First GSM seems to use less power in their phones and have less need for an antenna. And second you can use voice and data at the same time, which is not possible (yet anyway) on CDMA.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6The phone is nowhere close to ready for the market. There's a reason they only have 2 on display in cases at the show. Even the Apple programmer I talked to at our stand said the same thing (one of the guys that created HFS+ and Disk First Aid). Strange that Apple has announced both the Apple TV and iPhone way before their ready. Kind of sad to see that Apple doesn't have anything ready for release so they have to announce products months ahead of time. It was so much better when you could goto the show, see something sweet, and goto the Apple store down the street and get one right then (or checkout the Keynote online and goto your local Apple store to get it that day).
Selecting Cingular sure limits the market too. Why pick the 3rd largest provider when you can create a GSM and CDMA version to cover all providers? Sure some may cancel their account and switch but I don't see people with contracts canceling them, paying the cancelation fee and switching. Not a great move. Can't say I'm impressed with the offerings from Apple this time around. - dimsum05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, It's very understandable to go to Cingular with the iPhone. Apple always goes with universal compatibility, and GSM has always been the world standard. Plus, Cingular just launched their UMTS/HSDPA network, so it would only be natural to make this move. The only thing that get me is that they didn't say it was going to be unlocked, and that's pretty bad...
- tooslickvan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1uhh... submit it as a story if you want people to read it.
- bostonteaoff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yes Stucaris, a grassroots movement can certainly make Apple change their mind and renege on a multimillion business partnership before it's even released to the public. I'm sure they entered into the Cingular agreement on a whim and can easily be swayed to change their mind and just suck up the gut-wrenching lawsuits caused by breaking their Cingular partnership.
Apple would do this because they care about you, the uninformed, misspelling (perhapses?), dilettante. Apple is a public corporation-not a social movement or a haven for the disestablishment. If you want to change something, try improving your neighborhood and if you want to campaign for something, join a charity and fight those that really need help. - ClassicJBC, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5Wait, you would actually WANT an hour with Steve Jobs? He'd probably punch you in the face, tell you your comments are crap, and then leave 5 minutes into the meeting... unless you're David Pogue.
- ieatsmurfs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1in Times article with Steve Jobs, he said something along the lines of that this is a the iPod, not a different product line. Just like AppleTV is a new Mac. So I wouldn't really count on seeing a regular wide screen iPod that just did videos and music with the same tech. At least not for awhile. It would diminish the effect of the iPhone that its new, ground breaking and exciting if they just reused the tech in a new iPod right away.
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