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- Gregd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11how is mine a dupe if mine was first? If you're going to come in and scream dupe...at least get it right...
- flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8they are both on the front page right now, thats ***** up. whatever.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8...oh, somebody is about to have a close encounter with a corporate patent lawyer.
- Sonic84, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3DRM sucks.
- angelp, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5It might be in Apple's best interests not to sue.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2From the article:
"Jobs apparently warned that while Apple was not a litigious company..."
Thats pure comedy gold!! - Dingo128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yes, that is different. You have an Apple ipod, if you want to buy a single song for your ipod you have to use ITunes (Apple's Music Store), the song has a drm on it using Apple's own DRM (Fairplay). The whole step of the way Apple has control.
The analogy to the video game business is flawed a little bit. If I want lets say, Halo for xbox, I can go to Best Buy, Circuit City, EB Games etc. I can buy it new or used, and each store can have it at it's own price. I don't have to buy my games from the Microsoft store only. Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo do not have complete control of the hardware, software, and distribution like Apple does for music.
Not to mention any company that wants to pay the license fee, can code for any video game system. So far Apple has refused to license their DRM to ANY company.
That is a big difference. I just wanted to point out the minor flaw in the argument. - burndive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All he's done is reverse engineer for the sake of interoperability. Now you'll be able to download songs from, say, Walmart for 88 cents and play them on your iPod.
The next step would be to reverse engineer the iPod, so that you can play iTMS tracks on your Zune or iRiver or whatever other device is out there.
As long as the DRM on these other players works just as well as the iPod, the only thing that changes is that the single-vendor lock-in that Apple has worked so hard to create gets shattered. This is good for the consumer, and may perhaps be what finally moves DRM from the "evil" category over to "annoyance" in the mind of consumers, thus increasing the market size.
Only an idiot would voluntarily lock themselves in to a single vendor (Apple, Zune Marketplace) if they had the choice. PlaysForSure was Microsoft's shot at creating an open marketplace for players along with an open market for media players, which, if DRM must exist, is the best market situation from the consumer perspective: you get to pick the best music store (or several of them) and the best player.
I still don't like the fact that downloaded music is licensed in stead of purchased (as with a CD), but if all DRM were made interoperable (as France recently tried to do), the difference would be tolerable.
I still plan on purchasing CDs for the foreseeable future. - Dingo128, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The comparison of Apple's fairplay to Microsoft Xbox/Sony PlayStation is a little off.
Apple with their Fairplay DRM have locked everything from the hardware to content to distribution. They have the entire life cycle of a purchase to themselves. If I wanted purchased music to play on my ipod I have to buy it from Apple. If I want to buy a game for my Xbox/PlayStation I can go any number of stores, and price compare between stores. - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@flag564 - You mean it can ruin Apple like it the the multi-billion dollar DVD industry? Freedom can actually help benefit in these cases as well - I'd not buy DVDs if I couldn't rip them to my computer as a backup and central video library. I'd be downloading them, plain and simple.
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I doubt anyone in the US is going to touch his licensed code due to the DMCA.
- afex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2my thoughts exactly...i usually don't care at all about dupe type stuff, but this is a whole new level of duposity...
where's the 'bury -> on fp already, less than 10 stories below it' option? - Drizzit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Now I used to think this guy was pretty smart. He works for Linspire or mp3tunes. Either way he moved to the US. Now he can be arrested. Maybe it's not lack of smarts; Just a lack of common sense.
- nocircleno, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2The system is fudged. The admins need to merge the two and be done with it.
- flag654, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@klawz youve got a good point there actually, i didn't think of that. i take back my previous post. hmmmm, i'm gonna add you to my friends list
- Scott2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Only when implemented improperly or in a zealot like fashion.
If I were losing money to theft (and you're kidding yourself if you think downloading songs without paying is anything but theft) I'd implement DRM too.
I'll agree that the RIAA and a few others have taken it waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far. But as a concept, DRM does not suck, nor is it the center of your problems.
I don't have a problem with Apple limiting playback to iPod, either. - ToeCheese, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@Dingo
Really? Cause I have 200 + CDs that I have purchased and have it available on my iPod.
Meanwhile I can't buy Mario for my Xbox. While MS, Sony and Nintendo do not sell the actually games a significant chunk of the goes to the hardware maker as well as the cost for the manufacturing of the media.
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So going by all the DRM haters' logic. Once this re'ed Fairplay is out there the iTunes store should see at least a two-fold in sales volume.
Also if you hate DRM so much why not bitch to Rhapsody/Napster about getting a DRM song? - sactodigg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0While I understand the educational purposes for doing what DVD Jon has done. There is no ethical argument for what he is doing by selling the code. Even if you dislike and hate Apple's DRM for iTunes purchased material, it certainly is not the only means of getting digital content. If you don't want to buy the DRM then don't buy the DRMd content. If you argue that Apple should allow others to play with iTunes content on their players, then you should also argue that your PS2 games should be playable on an XBox or vice versa.
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Front page dupe 6 stories ago, come-on...
over 529 diggs compared to 85...
http://digg.com/apple/Apple_Fairplay_reverse_engineered_and_FOR_SALE - klawz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1It's a dupe because the other one made it to the front page first, don't ask about the super secret Digg algorithm, if they tell you they'll have to kill you.
- melmyfinger, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4Dupe: http://digg.com/apple/Apple_Fairplay_reverse_engineered_and_FOR_SALE (30 diggs)
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -13/+2Apple should sue. What did they ever do to this guy! He is targeting the only good guy out there. This could ruin Apple.
We cant let that happen!
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