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- Pliep, on 02/14/2009, -1/+96That's no competition for the App Store, as iPhone-owners cannot buy in the Android Market.
Both platforms only compete BEFORE a customer chooses and buys a phone. - Ricochetbiscuit, on 02/14/2009, -2/+14Spoken like a true fanboy Apple minion. Steve Job's owns you, congrats!
- InorganicMatter, on 02/14/2009, -6/+17YAAAAAAWN......
Let's say I'm a developer. I want a rapid time to market. Do I put my device on a store where there are 6 million potential customers, or a store where there are a few hundred potential customers. Really tough choice there. - FrederikNS, on 02/14/2009, -0/+10I thought the same at first, but when I started researching what the Android can do, and will be able to. I quickly realised that I would rather have an android phone than an iphone.
- davecachia, on 02/14/2009, -0/+9/signed
I don't even need to read the article because you hit it dead on. - insanebrain, on 02/14/2009, -6/+14That's not a platform... That's a bunch of software compiled into one package to ***** the buyers of that phone. I have TYTN II, and I HATE IT, only because it runs on windows mobile.
- etx313, on 02/14/2009, -1/+9Android is awesome. But the market is only available on the TMobile G1. I have a HTC Touch running android and I cannot use the market.
- Zippo, on 02/14/2009, -2/+9a) The vast majority of apps are approved... hence why there are *thousands* of apps on the app store. While yes, there is a bit of red tape, and yes, it sometimes prevents a decent app from being released, it also prevents malware and apps that just don't work.
b) don't exaggerate the profit Apple is making. It's 30% for Apple, 70% for the devloper... Not bad considering you're getting advertising, a platform for easy mobile delivery, and server space/bandwidth. Some developers are making a *killing* on the App Store. - mathwiz1991, on 02/14/2009, -0/+5What about the Blackberry Application Storefront? Blackberries are still some of the most prevalent smartphones on the market, even more so after the release of the Storm which converted *some* casual, non-business users.
- marcoabuso, on 02/14/2009, -2/+7what about cydia!
- brynlb, on 02/14/2009, -0/+5Yes.
- ajb2015, on 02/15/2009, -1/+5I don't understand the people running these companies sometimes. Its like - apple blows everyone away and makes a great device with great developer support, but instead of trying to do the next best thing...they just try to copy what is popular. The same thing happened when the ipod came out. If anyone wants to take apple down from its place on top, make something better, not a mediocre, knock off. I mean - blow me away.
- Rev0lver, on 02/14/2009, -1/+5BlackBerry Storefront?
- BrendanSheehan, on 02/14/2009, -2/+6"6 million potential customers"
There are 16 Million iPhone owners, and "around" 25 Million iPod touch owners. That's 41 Million potential customers; we'll say 40 Million to round it off. Nearly 7 times more than you stated. Thought it was worth mentioning. - KibibyteBrain, on 02/14/2009, -0/+4There is Cydia and Installer.app, but as Apple wishes to label the users of those two repositories copyright-violators under DMCA, they still aren't keen to any actual competition.
- ercax, on 02/14/2009, -0/+3AFAIK Apple has the stuff that runs only on a limited number of gadgets. Android can run on anything, and actually I am going to run android on my socks soon while you act like you have the coolest piece of toy. That ***** doesn't even do copy/paste yet, but hey that's a geeky thing to do anyway. Who the hell cuts, copies or pastes stuff? Pre-elementary kids do that *****.
And if you care about the looks of the hardware more than its functionality you would make a great Apple customer. Where do you get your screwdrivers, Dolce&Gabbana?
"When is the last time you seen an Android or someone using Windows Mobile?"
Socialize a little bit. - ibeetle, on 02/14/2009, -0/+3Because Windows Mobile does not have a App store for Beer Pong and iFart.
- AlexWiggy, on 02/14/2009, -1/+4The G1 has over 3 million handsets sold now (not 100's of thousand as you seemed to hint), please do your ***** homework.
School boy error. - phunlee, on 02/14/2009, -0/+3Thanks grandpa. But, blogs ain't goin' nowhere. Huffington Post, as bias as it is, was a blog once. Now it's in the Whitehouse Press Corps. making news.
- Cappa0LAWL, on 02/15/2009, -0/+3Competition? JAILBREAK FTW
- InorganicMatter, on 02/15/2009, -0/+2There aren't more Windows Mobile devices out there. BlackBerry has the largest market share, then the iPhone, then Windows Mobile.
- GeckoSlayer, on 02/15/2009, -0/+2Celotil, it is all up to personal preference.
After going from my N95 to my iPhone 3G, I can safely say I would never go back to the N95.
The speaker on the N95 is crap, just like the iPhone's speaker. This is a mute point, you don't want to listen to an album on that.
It was actually proven that the iPhone has just as good reception as any other 3G phone, and superseded other phones on the Edge/GPRS networks.
The N95 has an absolutely horrible UI, horrible horrible horrible. (Again, personal preference) Everything is counter intuitive.
The N95's applications also need to be symbian signed to install. With the iPhone, you can go to App Store and download and install anything. Centralized.
Cameras on both of these phones is a mute point. The iPhone camera, while still being 2mp, is actually an incredibly good camera. True, the N95 has a better camera, but if I was worrying about quality rather than a quick snapshot, I'd use either a point-and-shoot or a DSLR.
Also, I think you're overstating the N95 and it's speed. On my old N95, it would take quite a long time to load contacts and even the settings page. Nokia used an incredibly old concept for UI's on a smartphone, and it hasn't paid off. The N95 is very un-userfriendly in almost all departments.
I disagree with surfing the web at higher speeds, that's useless. The N95 and the iPhone, from personal experience, go at the same rate on 3G networks.
Oh, and have fun with the N95's GPS. It takes ages to lock, don't try say it doesn't, because that thing is horrible. The iPhone gets a lock within 5 seconds, almost every time. - KibibyteBrain, on 02/14/2009, -0/+2The biggest problem with android so far is their fear to enable multi-touch. That will make it hard to market to average consumers who enjoy the cool factor of that tech. But in terms of actual features, its on parity with the iPhone.
- celotil, on 02/14/2009, -2/+4I would like it if cellular phone manufacturers like Nokia, Motorola, Sony Ericson, and Siemens created their own "app stores" but I'm not holding my breath.
In all fairness to the iPhone, when Apple brought it out there were other more capable, more expandable, and more connected, i.e. not locked to one seller, mobile phones on the market.
Aside from the iPhone's touch screen, my N95 kicks my mate's iPhone's arse all over the place, but all this is really just academic when you compare most of the phones on the market to, say, the Nokia 7650, one of the first "smart phones" from Nokia.
Personally, I've been using all the extended features of my phone much less in the last few months, and I'm seriously thinking about replacing my N95 with the 6600 Slide.
The iPhone is a capable phone and small palmtop computer, but it's not technically, aesthetically, or feature-wise the best phone on the market. There are lots of phones which are better in many ways.
What the iPhone has which sets it apart, and which Nokia, Moto, Sony, Siemens, and RIM will not understand for a long ***** time is that the iPhone has a small ecosystem of support that fully supplements the phone.
I can't update the firmware of my N95 without Windows.* There is no single point where I can look up all the Symbian S60 apps, and easily download and install them in one single gesture, assured that they're not loaded with a virus or malware. I even had to download a patch to iSync - a small text file, come on, NOKIA! - to get OS X to recognise my phone.
Sure, the big companies are slowly catching up, but they're going half-arsed about it, as usual.
We're getting great phones, and ***** support for them.
My mate can bring over his iPhone and we can strip the firmware, replace it with an older or newer version, install apps, sync his phone to my computer with two clicks, and even use his phone to blog his life with a minimal amount of mucking about.
It's not enough today to have great, or even just decent, phones. You have to provide a pleasant experience for people.
*I am aware of Firmware Over The Air (FOTA) but the N95, ***** hell, doesn't support it, and even if it did, it's still set up so that I have to rely on my service provider to send me THEIR updated firmware for my phone, not the normal, unbadged, unlocked firmware from Nokia.
P.S. Most of my experience is with Nokia phones, so please correct me with updated information where I'm wrong, don't just digg me down and leave everyone hanging. - cawpin, on 02/14/2009, -2/+4That's funny. I love my Omnia running WM6.1. I can do everything I need to plus some.
- beesaretasty, on 02/14/2009, -2/+4So why would people develop for the iPhone when there are so many more Windows Mobile devices out there?
- HolyChimp, on 02/14/2009, -0/+2I'd rather have Android running on an iPhone. Android seems endlessly awesome, but none of the hardware can hold a candle to the looks of the iPhone, sadly.
- Ricochetbiscuit, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1HH is anything but a blog actually, grandpa.
- AlexWiggy, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1Simply, you're a retard :D.
- GeckoSlayer, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1I'm glad we aren't having an argument, but it appears we'll have to agree that it is largely based on what the end-user wants. I obviously am after the touch screen element, and you prefer the keypad. N95 would be a lot more attractive than say an android phone if they did improve on their current centralized system (i think it was called mosh from memory?) and got it integrated properly into the OS.
I'm starting to get around the iPhone's flaws (i.e. lack of MMS, copy/paste and video recording - and having to jailbreak to get these features) and I guess with Apple you have to expect them to be incredibly stubborn when it comes to new features (that should have been included from the get go).
What really annoys me though, is that as soon as you start to say (and i'm not saying you did this) that you prefer the iPhone over other phones, you get blasted as an AppleWhore... Hah, I hate the blasted company, they just happened to make a decent enough device. Their other products are overpriced (the iPhone is about the same price as the N95 was for it's first 2 years here in Australia) and not that stylish. - upeneff, on 02/14/2009, -2/+3Probably the same reason people develop for Mac. They find a better market for buyers on the mac side. I've heard a couple Mac only developers say that even though the market size for OSX is so much smaller, people buy way more.
I'm guessing one big reason for that is Corporate computers and Phones. Who would buy apps for their work phones? - rda1441, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1The only reason they are at the white house is Huffington's 'gifts' to the DNC.....speaking of whores.
- stuffradio, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1what about cydia?
- eastmanweb, on 10/31/2009, -0/+1A flying man-pig doesn't need lipstick.
- ibeetle, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1It was a blog once... was. Not so much anymore. That means they understood that blogs are over and they grew and moved on. Tech Cruch and Ars Technica and others started out as blogs too. Now Ars Technica is owned by Condé Nast a major corporation in publishing.
- ZGambit, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1First Decent comment we want some thing to be inspired with.. We need are technology to continue to develop, grow and continue inspiring innovation and new developments...
All I can say is thanks Apple & Blackberry now all our phones are becoming hybrids of Touch and Querty keyboard devices. =) - theshaze, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1doesn't it use apt?
- hawksfan03, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-n ...
- celotil, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1Well, the majority of people who buy an iPhone aren't likely to jailbreak their phone, but let's run with it.
Video calls for one thing. 32 GB of exchangeable memory for another. I can output images and video from my N95 to any television set with RCA jacks. 5 MP camera. Infrared, which means I can use it as a remote control for a television, VCR, stereo, et-cetera. FM radio. Fully supported Bluetooth. Exchangeable battery - although my single battery has been pretty good so far. - inactive, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1What can the N95 do that a jailbroken iPhone can't? (I'm actually asking)
- t0ny, on 02/15/2009, -1/+2How do you define smartphone?
- rimantas, on 02/17/2009, -0/+1Have fun developing for different resolutions, different CPU spees, gps or no gps, keyboard or no keyboard, etc., etc.,
- defyant, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1u don't put "devices on a store" ...lol...u put apps
- alansky, on 02/16/2009, -0/+1@mathwiz1991: Blackberries became popular because there was nothing better. Now there is. End of story.
- rdas7, on 02/16/2009, -0/+1Wait, so you dissed my 4chan meme selection with another 4chan meme selection???
- alansky, on 02/16/2009, -0/+1I'll say it again: You can put lipstick on a pig, but you can't make him fly. Interesting that this comment attracted negative diggs. It's really odd how some people are mortally offended by a simple statement of fact!
At the moment, the iPhone has no competition. All cell phone manufacturer's are cordially invited to step up to the plate and give it their best shot! - celotil, on 02/15/2009, -1/+2"Celotil, it is all up to personal preference."
"After going from my N95 to my iPhone 3G, I can safely say I would never go back to the N95."
"The speaker on the N95 is crap, just like the iPhone's speaker. This is a mute point, you don't want to listen to an album on that."
Three speakers on the N95. One for listening to when making a call, two stereo speakers on the sides of the phone. The stereo speakers don't have what I'd call good bass, but they're decent enough considering their size and the device they're installed into, and they're great for playing the mosquito tone in cinemas when little arse-holes won't shut up during a movie. :)
"It was actually proven that the iPhone has just as good reception as any other 3G phone, and superseded other phones on the Edge/GPRS networks."
That may be what independent lab testing proved, but I find it amusing that tests were even needed to be done to disprove people's complaints about network reception and call drop-outs.
"The N95 has an absolutely horrible UI, horrible horrible horrible. (Again, personal preference) Everything is counter intuitive."
Aside from the N95 using the keypad and the iPhone using a touch-screen, the menu layouts, stand-by screen, and system settings menus have a very similar layout. The iPhone tends to scroll sideways, as opposed to the N95's scrolling up and down on menu's, and side-to-side for tabs, but they're more similar than dissimilar.
"The N95's applications also need to be symbian signed to install. With the iPhone, you can go to App Store and download and install anything. Centralized."
Two points, one of which proves my point about the iPhone being a better user experience in part due to the centralised system provided by iTunes and the App Store. No-one likes having to sift through twenty different sites to find one program, not even me, and I'd love it if Nokia brought out a centralised download location.
Oh, and Symbian apps do not have to be signed. That's an option you can ignore, although it's probably not a great idea with the growing emergence of Symbian-based viruses.
"Cameras on both of these phones is a mute point. The iPhone camera, while still being 2mp, is actually an incredibly good camera. True, the N95 has a better camera, but if I was worrying about quality rather than a quick snapshot, I'd use either a point-and-shoot or a DSLR."
I have two cameras which I tend to carry on me almost all the time, but if I don't have them with me, I still have my N95. Hardly a moot point when I'm trying to grab a surprising shot, or video.
"Also, I think you're overstating the N95 and it's speed. On my old N95, it would take quite a long time to load contacts and even the settings page. Nokia used an incredibly old concept for UI's on a smartphone, and it hasn't paid off. The N95 is very un-userfriendly in almost all departments."
When was the last time you updated your firmware? Mine is a little out of date at the moment, but the last update sped up a lot of little things on mine, and even gave me video ring tones, an amusing, albeit useless, function.
"I disagree with surfing the web at higher speeds, that's useless. The N95 and the iPhone, from personal experience, go at the same rate on 3G networks."
High speed Internet is never useless.
"Oh, and have fun with the N95's GPS. It takes ages to lock, don't try say it doesn't, because that thing is horrible. The iPhone gets a lock within 5 seconds, almost every time."
Around here where I live, my N95, my mate's iPhone, and my Dad's GPS unit all take about the same amount of time to lock on to a GPS signal, i.e. a few minutes. I think we just have crap coverage here. - inactive, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1Is that it?
- SGandG, on 02/16/2009, -0/+0No competition at all! These "other companies" lack originality its all about...,"oh they got that why dont we have that?" instead of coming up with their own great ideas and new groundbreaking technology! EPIC FAIL!
- celotil, on 02/15/2009, -1/+1You asked what it can do, not how well it can do it.
My friend's iPhone 3G is less than 6 months old. Despite up-to-date firmware and a clean setup, his iphone isn't running very well - taking usually 10 to 15 seconds to load SMS, the camera, minor applications, and taking hours to sync the address book and calendar.
My N95 loads contacts, the calendar, converter, the download store, and the camera within one second. Synchronising my contacts and calendar with my laptop, over bluetooth, takes, at most, 30 seconds, but usually it's done in the time it takes me to click "Sync", turn, and pick up my phone.
His onscreen keyboard is losing response time. It's in the milliseconds, but it's noticeable, and irritating. My keypad responds immediately, and if it delays for a second the key buffer quickly brings it up to speed.
I have 6-7 bars of signal, out of 7 everywhere I go. I have never had a dropped call, lost signal, or problem with hearing who I'm talking to, nor they with I.
His iPhone is on the exact same network, using the exact same protocol, and he loses network signal at least twice a day, completely unable to receive a signal in many malls and indoors when my phone is still registering full bars.
I can surf the web at higher transfer rates then he can, using WebKit on my phone.
The pictures he's taken with my phone are better quality than the pictures he's taken with his.
The video he's recorded with my phone is better quality than his.
My phone plays audio through its stereo loudspeakers louder and clearer than his.
My phone's battery lasts longer on a single charge than his.
I could go on, but I expect you to get my point. Sure, this is all anecdotal, but I've read similar stories on-line, and after seeing the iPhone up close and in person, using it for various periods of time, I wouldn't buy one. I wouldn't even recommend one to another person. If my friend wasn't under contract he'd have thrown his away by now out of sheer frustration.
If the iPhone didn't have the ease of use that iTunes gave it for synchronising, keeping the firmware up to date, and installing applications, it never would have sold nearly as well as it has. It has an ecosystem built around it that offsets some of its failings, plus the hype that was generated by Apple's fan base.
Personally I like the concept of the iPhone, I just don't think it's "matured" enough as a real-world product. Given time to have all the little annoyances sorted out it could be a great phone, instead of merely a novel good phone. -
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