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- fugazi, on 10/10/2007, -5/+46I wonder how everyone is going to protect Apple on this one...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+33Don't worry. The mindless fanboys will find a way to spin this into a positive!
- ChileanGoD, on 10/10/2007, -1/+30AGA... Apple Genuine Advantage
- MikeTRose, on 10/10/2007, -1/+20Sherman, set the Wayback Machine!
- bromac, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18Apple will issue a $100 credit on a new iPhone after yours has been bricked. Fan boys will praise Apple for being so thoughtful.
- dlsspy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Um. Why did I give them money for it, then?
- TheOther1, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Unless it's direct and blatant Bush bashing.
- kevinwiz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7No, it's my device you ***** tool. I paid for it.
- djphatjive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6It is legal right now to unlock your phone for the useage on another carrier. If they break it then they are breaking the law, not you.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061124-8280 ... - badjoke, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6This is just for SIM unlocks, not adding apps too, right?
- LoadStar, on 10/22/2007, -3/+9This is a bit of FUD. No one knows for certain that Apple will brick an unlocked phone. In fact, that's an incredibly remote possibility, given that unlocking phones is completely legal. Bricking all the unlocked phones is a very, VERY non-customer friendly tactic; it's a bit akin to swatting a fly with a nuclear bomb. Other companies might try this; Apple isn't run like this.
On the other hand, what Apple will likely do is close the hole that allowed the unlocking to occur in the first place. This has two ramifications: first, it'll send the unlocking and hacking teams back to the drawing board for a while; second, of course this means anyone who is rushing to lock their phones again will have them locked permanently (or at least until the unlocking gurus work around Apple's new code).
I would recommend owners of unlocked iPhones do absolutely NOTHING once this (or any future update) goes public. Definitely don't scramble to lock your phone. Don't update. Don't sync. Don't do anything. Let the more intrepid users out there try it first and see what happens. (I'm sure there will be those in the iPhone Unlock Team that will sacrifice their phones for the cause.) Once the green light is given, then go ahead and sync your phone and update it. - mtekk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6and the consumer paid for it in full, no subsidies, they should be able to do what ever the hell they want with the device, just don't expect support from Apple, instead Apple is being a bunch of asshats about it and locking stuff down.
- Elranzer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Those kind of people are called apologists. If you read the Politics section on Digg, you'll know that they're not uncommon.
- ers35, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5One comment on the frontpage is definitely not a first. It has happened many times before.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Can someone please explain how the ipones get updated?
if you are not on AT&T network and you do not choose to update your phone, I don't see how it will get updated.. - johnhummel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4That's my understanding. I don't think Apple cares so much about the apps (save for when some idgit calls up complaining that their iPhone doesn't work right after they installed a bunch of crappy apps on it) - but they *really* care about the SIM unlocking, since they're getting a lot of $$$ from AT&T.
At least, I'm hoping so, since I'm getting my iPhone tomorrow.... - ymilord, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Holy Crap, I fired up my RSS reader and every blog from here to moon is talking about how Apple new firmware update is going to brick the iPhone. Jesus.
Let take a step back and ask ourselves these questions...
1) Is this stated anywhere on Apples site or some place truly creditable?
2) And if so, Can't you just simply "restore" the phone back to square one with iTunes?
They can't release a update that actually going to "Damage" the phone to no return. These mods are all software based. - JoeDiggsIt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So just to straighten this up, if you've added third party apps, but NOT switched from AT&T (whether that entails soft or hard mod) you'll be safe?
- gfreeman223, on 10/10/2007, -13/+16Well...
*****. Steve. Jobs.
I thought he was supposed to be the anti-microsoft? - CyberSteve, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3that didn't take long :(
- Amplix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'm wondering this as well... Actually at this point I cant imagine living without the 3rd party apps i've gathered over the weeks, but I know.. I know I'll have to part with them for a while a few times. *sighs*
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Especially in an Apple story. Seriously, apple submissions appear to need a LOT fewer diggs to get to the front page than ANY other topic!
- benn600, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3In response to how an update could brick the phone. Generally, firmware updates are very dangerous because the firmware is the essence of the product. Its ability to connect to your computer and itunes, for example, depends on the firmware being able to run. Now there is often a separate firmware area that just stores the USB stuff or at least some separation for errors--power outages during update, etc., but if the update doesn't succeed it can easily brick your phone. I bricked a Linksys router because their instructions were not clear and part way through the update it lost its connection (changed IP address).
Also, remember how the updates always verify the existing software? Perhaps that step will fail on its own. I haven't made a single modification to my iPhone even though I love customizing my gear. I just didn't want to put my $500 investment (8GB) in peril no matter the benefits or non-risks. It isn't worth the risk to me. It has all the features that I need personally. I think the email is great--especially because it handles IMAP so well with folder access, etc...it ties in perfectly with my SSL IMAP server I run for my family. - Tenoq, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I have the same problem with software, CDs and DVDs. Seems I fork out money but they're not actually mine.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Its a very thin line that separates the fanboys from the apologists in any market.
- catalysis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4If any of those unlocks flash the rom, it pretty much voids the warranty.
- ec92009, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I totally agree, Just keep your phone away from your computer till you hear from the hackers, who will undoubtedly find a way around the new road block.
It is a virtual certainty that any lock can be picked, any encryption broken, it's not a question of if, but when. - D3koy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Jobs makes Movies?.....First I've heard of it...
- slimnickyy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Or just sue Apple. You didn't sign a legally binding contract stating that you have to use AT&T or whoever in order to use the device. It's not licensed to you either, it was purchased, thus it's quite hard to place limitations on a device you've bought without a well worded agreement which was not attached to the iPhone. Therefore if they break the phone, they will be liable for any violation of consumer protection laws (especially in Europe) and at minimum mispresentation under the contract of sale.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Well, provided they also mention Ron Paul.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -6/+8Don't be silly. He's anti-consumer and don't you forget it. Every one of his movies in the past 5 years (since apple got itself *****) can be traced back to his complete and utter disdain of the consumer in general, and apple customers specifically.
- JoeDiggsIt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I love my themes and apps way too much also. But, I'd much rather have a working slightly less awesome phone than a non-working one.
- FknGoAway, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4What I don't understand is why anyone would get an iPhone with the hopes that someone else will make it do what you want. Why not just get a phone that has the features you wanted in the first place.
- NsinU8, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Can anyone give a real life example of a company intentionally bricking a device to prevent unlocking or hacking?
- neffy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Just FYI...I recently restored my iPhone to remove all my hacked apps and such because the iPhone was acting weird as hell. Sometimes I'd be surfing or texting or using some program and suddenly it would lock itself and the screen would turn off. Sometimes I would press the home button or the power button and the screen would just flash instead of giving me the unlock screen. After restoring it and leaving it unhacked, I have no problems. In my eyes, the stability argument holds water. I think that in the future development will be Apple supported, but right now it's just too early.
- bromac, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5People should be able to do whatever they please with a physical product after it's bought and paid for.
The arrogance of Jobs to dictate what people can and can't do to their products is beyond par. Especially to go as far as making the devices unusable if they don't sign onto the network of HIS choice.
I'd be tempted to sue for the dead iPhone since Apple's knowingly damaging it. This is just plain wrong. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2WGA won't 'brick' your computer.
Its frigging annoying, yes, but you can still use your computer. - jehanr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Is there anything worth having in the new firmware?
Can't you just NOT update? - Phlosten, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Here is hoping that the update turns a crapload of them into useless bricks and people can see these lockins for what they really are.
- ryancalderoni, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I had similar experiences, and I agree.
- AvidPreatorian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1there is a way to RELOCK it... this isn't as bad as people think. i relocked mine after hacking it and it's fine. i love my iPhone.
- Vektuz, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Bad idea ... here's whats REALLY going to happen
1. Everyone relocks their phone "to be safe"
2. Everyone updates
3. The update closes any holes that the phone had that the unlockers use, and it can no longer be unlocked. - sholt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It'd probably be prudent to restore to the original system software before a big update anyway. If all you've done is add 3rd party apps/themes this should be a relatively simple operation.
- sholt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Um. they're only the 3rd largest music seller because they were willing to play ball with the labels and strike a compromise between the consumers' rights and expectations and the labels' desire to protect their IP. Arguments about the legitimacy of DRM in general aside; Apple had to play ball with the labels or their music store would never have gotten off the ground, and both camps would lose.
Further, no one was forced to upgrade their music library to the DRM-free music. Nor was anyone forced to buy their music through iTunes in the first place.
Personally, I prefer actually going out to a brick and mortar store and buying an actual pressed CD. Uncompressed, unencrypted audio, plus all the album art and inserts a hip young professional like myself could want; and a nice walk in the fresh air, to boot. It sounds like you could use a nice walk in the fresh air, too. - shawnz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1when did sony brick psps? they just prevented apps from working, the psps still performed their intended purpose fine.
- clyde2801, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Glad I didn't buy an iPhone, glad I didn't get a iPod touch or classic and stayed with my 5.5 80gig. I think I'm about ready to pass on my second glass of kool aid, thanks.
If iPhones get bricked from an update, there will be one hell of a media and consumer backlash. I predict it may slow future sales of the phone. - superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Because there are no other phones that offer the same features and great UI.
- AvidPreatorian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1just get one already and get that sand out of your vagina
- spargett, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Its going to be funny when then the update doesn't do anything... but fix bugs.
Maybe not. - neffy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So you've decided not to own a cell phone?
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