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- thecompkid, on 10/12/2007, -8/+122Answer: Yes
- stou, on 10/12/2007, -8/+83@greywolfexcel
obsolete? That's such a ***** cliche, something is obsolete when there is no longer use for it...
At my old job we had a computer with PC Dos 5.1 (YES IBM DOS) from maybe 1991 or something and it worked perfectly.... Also I just replaced my Dual P III from 2000... because it actually died. So enough with these marking idiocies... - DaBrainiac, on 10/12/2007, -6/+72Arg! I swear if a new sleeker, more powerful, multi-touch screen, live holographic projecting, cancer curing iMac comes out next month... I will pawn this baby, go buy a $200 Dell, move to the forests of Oregon, become a vegan and live in a tree.
- unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -1/+60Yes, your G4 is still working just fine, but you're missing the point of the site. If you are in the market for a NEW laptop, it would suck to buy a new Powerbook, only to have a newer, better one come out at nearly the same price next month.
Thus, this guide... - flipmeat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+60You'll just end up eating the tree.
- OutrightLie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+55Do not fear me gypsy, I only want your tears.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+46You bit the bullet when you did, and it had what you wanted. Even the new machines will get out dated. That's just how it is. Now go enjoy your Mac. People still use G4 and G5s, and they are plenty fast and plenty good.
- Daveymcgav, on 10/12/2007, -1/+41The MacRumors guide has been around for years. That's been around for 2 months, according to Whois.
- DarkMeld, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42Bob: Hey Jim, what do you do for a living?
Jim: I'm a geologist, I study the earth. What's your job?
Bob: I'm a applolist.
Jim: What's that?
Bob: I study apple and put out rumors. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+37@meshman:
This whole trolling thing isn't working out too well for you. Maybe you should try another pastime, like russian roulette. - drlha, on 10/12/2007, -6/+33meshman: You're a jackass.
- pollardito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20yes, but the new version has more cowbell
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Trolls in a Digg Mac thread? Surely not.
- mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27My G4 iMac does everything I need it to do, so its not obsolete for me. It's okay not to have the fastest machine available, as long as it does what you need. I'm an Apple lover, but not Steve Job's bitch. ;)
That's still a neat website. - homestarteddy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18My main computer is a 500mhz iMac G3 (slot loading)
and it runs just fine and we probably won't get it
updated for at least another year.
Macs last. - darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16.....with six bullets and no other players, you'll always win!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18I will look upon your treasures gypsy...is that understood?
- revjustin2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17Thing still plays music, don't it?
- samuelcotterall, on 10/12/2007, -13/+28The difference is that Apple do it late, but do it well.
I was playing around with Vista the other day, and their "Gadgets" look familiar... - bobcrotch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14Yeah we find your types out here quite a bit, it's like gypses.
- gh0st3000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14well, you'd be pissed if you bought an ipod and the new version of what you just got came out a week later, right?
- RoyalPineapple, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12your schools apple rep knows nothing about upcoming products.
absolutely nothing - brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Will any computer you buy be out-of-date in a month's time? Yes.
Just because it isn't the latest and greatest, it doesn't mean your computer is automatically no good when something better comes out. People are still using their G4 Macs and they can still do pretty much anything you'll want to do. That said, if you end up buying a computer and something better for the same price comes out like the next day or something, then I'd be pissed.
The good thing about Apple at least is that you know to wait until after a Stevenote to buy anything from them. - mateo60, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@unibomber999
Sorry, I wasn't very clear. The site is pretty cool. My comment was more directed at another commenter's use of the word "obsolete". - ExSlashdotter, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11there have been small silent revisions to the macbook, but its not as simple as what processor is in there (core1 vs core2).
I get a palette of macbooks delivered once a week at work, and we image all of them before they go out (we build a commercial product that runs on osx). every time there's a silent revision (such as the airport or something), the image acts funny and I have to rebuild it.
There were hardware revisions on the macbook before the core2 change.
BTW: dell's service may be unrivaled for premiere business support, but not for home users. i've even had "dell" repair guys dispatched that took 3 or 4 tries before they could make a busted LCD work. apple's support is just as good, trust me. I deal with both on a day-to-day basis. - revjustin2, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Dell service unrivaled? You must have some direct line to someone who is a native speaker of english.
I live in Austin, so I get to overhear some interested Dell related conversations since everyone and their mother has worked there or will work there at some point.
On a plane flight I sat in front of a Dell engineer and a software guy who worked at Dell "back-in-the-day". The conversation that had was about how much Dell's customer service has crapped the bed since it's glory days in the late 90's to about 2002. The Dell engineer, who worked in the service department basically admitted that the outsourcing the compay uses sucks eggs and that their customer satisfaction had dropped ridiculously low. He was saying how it is widely acknowledged within Dell that the outsourcing is/was a terrible idea.
My own personal experience is that if you have anything other than a simple component swap with a Dell, you are also in a for a two week downtime. I have owned a Dell Inpiron 5150 for the past three or four years and have had three major failures with it. The first time, the CD drive pooped out. To fix it, they sent me a replacement part within 48 hours. Unfortunately, that part was a hard drive, not a CD drive. Then my video card died. It took me four days to just get someone on the phone (I spent a LOT of time on hold only to be hung up on --arg!). Then I had to ship my 'puter to Tennesee where they did fix the issue, but they also lost my power supply (why they had me send it is beyond me). In that whole process, I spoke to cs reps in three different countries.
In the end, someone from Tennessee finally called me to apologize for the crappy service and they "made it up to me" by giving me a $50 gift certificate at the Dell store. I didn't give a crap about the money I lost. I wanted my life back.
So, I personally am going to buy a Mac. I don't give a crap about bells and whistles and if my mouse sticks, I can buy a new one. - xioner, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10There comes a point when "good enough" really is good enough. I am typing this on a 2 year old G5 iMac (purchased about 2 months before they came out with the integrated iSights and remotes) and it is still amazingly fast. Sure, there are times when it gets bogged down, but a little more RAM would fix that. I also have a MacBook (core duo) and I honestly felt no frustration when they release the Core2 systems a few weeks after mine came in. I don't do any extreme graphics or rendering work, and the little bit of gaming that I do does not justify needing a cutting edge system.
The one thing I will say about upgrading systems is that some CPU intensive tasks (like encoding video) do move a lot faster on the new machines. I was impressed that my iMac could crunch about 15fps in HandBrake, until I tried it on my MacBook and got an average of about 50fps. I did feel a little slow for a few minutes, until I thought back to my early days of encoding, when I was running GordianKnot on a 1GHz Celeron processor with about 256megs of ram. That was slow.
Really, as much as I love technology and spend an average of 4 hours a week listening to various TWiT podcasts (not counting re-plays :-P ), I am very satisfied with the power that is in my current system. I'll probably save up and buy a new Mac desktop in a couple of years, once the AppleCare runs out on my iMac and they completely drop support for PowerPC machines. Although, even then I will keep this thing around to run old applications. Some great utilities are still not universal, not to mention the fact that I am more of a retro gamer... - arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Don't get me wrong, I love my Macs. Best purchase I ever made. But I can't tell you how many times I've bought something only to find that a week later that same product is $100 less, or a new sleeker better one just came out, etc. I love staying on top of technology, but there is a point where it can be frustrating.
And there's no way in hell I'll ever buy an iPhone unless they open up to other carriers. AT&T will never get a single penny of my money. That was the worst mistake that Apple could have made. If i can buy it and activate it on my Verizon account, then I'll consider it, that is if I just happen to have $600 just lying around. Otherwise, they can keep it. OpenMoko Neo1973 all the way for me. - mavranos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9This article is useless. All you have to do is ask me when I plan to buy a new Mac then buy yours 2 weeks after me. You'll be guaranteed a new model.
- eliasg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12I'm glad my MacBook Pro doesn't have PS/2, RGB, parallel port, serial port, CardBus, 56k, and a bunch of old outdated ***** I don't need. Go buy a PC in a store today and they all still have PS2 Kb/Mouse (instead of USB), analog RGB for the display (instead of DVI), parallel ports, serial ports, etc.
When wireless came out, nearly every Apple notebook came with it, or had the option of adding it INTERNALLY. How many PC laptops do you still see with a huge wireless card sticking out the side? Same with having all their machines bring DVI, USB, FW400/800, GigE, etc. standard. - doctorcaligari, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Hmmm...ATI x1600's and nVidia 7300GT's are "kick ass"? They are OK, but budget-level graphics at best.
The 7600GT in the 24" iMac and any of the other upgrade cards for the Mac Pro are the better options. - ExSlashdotter, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@revjustin
Exactly what i'm talking about. Sure, they'll send you a part or whatever and have it there within 24 hours, but its not all perfect. And when they dispatch the guys to come and actually fix things, they hardly ever fix it on the first trip (or the second), which negates the fact that they got there so fast.
With apple (we're a VAR here, but still), I call, they send me an empty box, i put the machine it it, send the box away. not even 2 days later, the box is back (sometimes with a brand new machine) and everything is good. So what's the difference? - ExSlashdotter, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6thats because MS Office, Adobe CS, etc are running PPC code under Rosetta.
Wait till the native versions come out, and then let me know.
Still though, the general rule stands: if you need one, buy it. if not, wait. there's always something new around the corner. its just the BIG corners (like PPC -> Intel) that you want to avoid getting stuck on the wrong side of. I've got a G4 powerbook and an intel mac pro. the powerbook is perfectly fine, in fact it runs PPC code faster than the intel box does... - tippmann1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5there are. and don't call me surely
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Full performance from external hard drives means USB 2 over Firewire 400? Never looked at any USB 2/Firewire 400 benchmarks have you? FW 400 outperforms USB 2 in almost every benchmark I've ever seen...
- notorious., on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It would be nice if instead of "Don't Buy - Updates soon" they would say something more like "Don't Buy - Updates expected soon."
Since, you know, MacRumors doesn't *know* when updates to Apple hardware are coming until they are already out. - johnpaul191, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i still have a G4 PowerMac from January 2000. in the last 7+ years i put in some upgrades, but it runs 10.4.x and most apps i need a-ok. i think the power supply is starting to go, but i have not had that machine off for more than 15 days total since i bought it, so i feel like that would be reasonable. there is a lot of dust and dog hair in our house.
p.s. that buyers guide has been there for more than a year... possibly even over two. points to them for keeping it up. - m1ss1ontomars, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@quomen:
Who says we started anything? Only microsoft lovers claim we think so. - monospaced, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9All Macs (the good ones) feature Core 2 Duo chips, the Mac Pros are Quad, and all feature kick-ass video cards. If you go buy a comparable Dell you'll pay the same price and it'll still be outdated. It's the nature of the industry.
- vipersxt10, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3since apple comes out with new hardware so often, and it would piss me off seeing my $2000 dollar laptop get a new revision, I just buy last gen. products, why not? macmall has the ibook g4 NEW for 699
- mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You can return it within 14 days......
- ab2650, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I suppose both of you would be happy if companies stopped producing better/faster/cheaper models the moment you bought yours?
Don't get me wrong; I sympathize with the idea that had you waited a few more weeks you could have saved 5% or had a 3% increase in speed... But I'm an informed consumer for jebus' sake. If I didn't feel the deal "was worth it," I wouldn't have made my initial purchase. Anything that happens to the market after is purely a moot point. - OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I don't think you get it...
Are you thinking about buying a Mac?
[x] Yes [ ] no
Consider this: These models are overdue for hardware updates. Wait one month and you will probably be able to get a better one for the same price.
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Are you thinking about buying a Mac?
[ ] Yes [x] no
This information is not relevant to you. - oyourmom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6What happens when you have something that uses that "*****" and your "new, dated" Mac cant support it. I work with Cisco Switches and Routers and they use Serial Interface and Hyper terminal. Honestly i don't see that many laptops with "huge wifi cards sticking out the side" either. Even the $600 Gateway notebook I got a Black Friday 2 years ago has 802.11b/g INTERNALLY. Stop making ***** up fanboy.
- Bamborzled, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@quomen
Not this discussion again.
That's like saying Apple stole from Xerox PARC when they implemented a mouse and a GUI, which were both invented by Xerox PARC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_PARC - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Mac computers, though they may be older in mac land, are still better than modern PCs. If I had a pick between a new PC laptop, and an older G4 Powerbook, I would go for the powerbook because it still gives me a better experience IMHO.
- bbardlbradd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 I bought this iBook G4 (1.42Ghz/512k Cache/333Mhz FSB, 1Gb DDR333 (2x512), 60Gb Hdd/8mb cache/4200rpm PATA, ATI/32Mb VRAM/AGPx4) in the winter of 05'. It was well "outdated" by then. The only issue it's ever had was my error, renaming the Home folder in OSX (DONT EVER DO THAT).
I think the USERS are responsible for rendering their machines obsolete... - coldphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I definitely agree...trying to predict technologies and prices is pretty ridiculous, because no matter what soon after you have settled in with your recent purchase, either a newer "better" model is out or the price has dropped significantly, and thats entirely independent of whatever time you purchase. If you try and play the prices/model game, you'll end up sitting around and never actually making a purchase.
- monkeyrun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That does come in handy.
- m1ss1ontomars, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I find those old macs to be very usable (G4s, not G3s however) as long as you pump 'em up with tons of RAM.
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