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- Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12To see pictures of why, consider this:
http://presentationzen.blogs.com/presentationzen/2005/11/the_zen_estheti.html
Bill Gates' presentations are busy looking, whereas Steve Jobs' are focused and uncluttered. Plus, Gates and Co. seem to think that meaningless jargon will still fly before an audience long since jaded by that kind of stuff years ago. Meaningless mumbo-jumbo and buzz words such as appending "live" to everything.
http://presentationzen.blogs.com/presentationzen/2005/11/it_was_one_of_t.html
Quote: "One of the goals of the presentation was to share the company's vision. But early media reports coming from the few people who attended the event have been less than glowing. Now, four days after the event, many in the media (and blogosphere) are still unclear just what exactly is "revolutionary" about Microsoft's new Live strategy and what it all means. If industry pundits don't fully get it, what hope do mere customers and investors have?"
I think anyone who uses the term "revolutionary" for their imitation of other people's evolutionary and incremental improvements on technology ought to be sentenced to a camping trip in the mountains of Columbia to see what the term actually means. - asdfer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7One main difference:
Bill Gates is talking about WHAT COULD BE
Steve Jobs is talking about WHAT IS - frem001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Some people are tards. Look at the CES 2006 Keynote by Bill Gates (Microsoft) and you'll see some amazing technology there. Steve Jobs is far from presenting such technology any time soon. Those ipods will get old at some point however."
The tech he shows you doesn't seem to be relevant when you've seen it already on a mac - wardriver20, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think Steve Belmer would be a lot better/interesting(at doing presentations) than Bill Gates.
But yeah, Bill Gates to Steve Jobs is like Windows to Mac OS. :-) - Rajio, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5developers developers developers
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"whereas apple seems to live by the moment"
it only seems that way because apple keep their products a secret, but there is no way to just present something you've thought of the day before. everything is carefully crafted and presented. - Photog, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I just hopped over to Microsoft's site to view some CES footage and it's scary how awkward everything feels. No vision, no spirit, no passion... http://www.microsoft.com/events/executives/billgates.mspx Ouch!
- ElkAintMoose, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I dunno...I watch Gates's presentations and usually come away with a vague feeling of "Meh. Whatever. That'll be ok...I guess." Usually when Jobs presents, there's something that makes me go "WOW! I want that! Now!" And I gan usually *get* that within a matter of hours/days. (Xbox announcements aside, though. ;-)
- rabiddogma, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Damn did any of you actually read the article? Your ***** talking about Mac vs Windows and that's not what this is about. It's about making effective presentations, plain and simple. And the fact that Gates is presenting to a larger market has nothing to do with how poor his presentation was. He didn't engage the audience with clear concise language and his PP slides were totally whack piles of *****. No excuse for that.
- hotwaterham, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1hyperpasta,
I've been using the December build of Vista since it came out. Your "fatal flaw" argument is completely false. And what's more is that you can simply turn off the entire glass effects in Vista.
I don't know WHERE you're getting the idea that the "underlying engine" in Vista is at all similar. Try doing some research on the Windows Presentation Foundation (formerly known as Avalon) and you'll soon see that it's COMPLETELY different from -- and in my opinion, much more sophisticated than -- OS X.
Furthermore, this whole "transparency, live resizing, high-resolution, 128 square pixel icons" thing is just silly. Every (!) modern OS can operate at a high resolution, use large icons, and handle transparencies or live resizing. And, in case you weren't aware of this, Vista uses 256px icons rather than 128px icons.
Flip 3D is more engaging than Alt-Tab. I foresee a lot of people using this instead of Alt-Tab. Expose is great for OS X, but I greatly prefer using the beefed up Alt-Tab in Vista.
The "widgets" that everyone keeps mentioning back on the original Mac weren't anything more than small applications (like ANY other application) except that they could run alongside the main application the Mac was running at the time. That's a workaround, not an innovation.
What makes Konfabulator different is that it was an engine or platform for developing and running these mini-apps.
I'm glad that you enjoy Tiger and the fact that it's already on the shelves. That's great. I, on the other hand, am going to keep on using and enjoying Windows as my primary operating system. - ImmortalSoldier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Bill makes everything so complicated and too many words. On the other hand Steve makes it simple and pleasing to the eye. The KISS method is the way to go.
- zwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Didn't bother to watch it; simply because listening to empty promises is about as helpful as spending the resources to design a house, buy all the materials, pay all the workers, put together parts of the house, only to find out you don't have any land to put the damn thing on.
I can't think of a single thing Microsoft or MTV have done in the recent years that would even closely match up to the level of Apple's success. - Bran, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1""http://homepage.mac.com/vito/real_vista_episode_1.mov"
Brilliant"
That's not brilliant, you silly zombie. That's bogus propaganda from yet another rabid Applelite. There isn't a single point made in that clip that is valid. Not a single one."
Uh not a single one? Riiiight. - muikano, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Seriously, digg comments need some way to mass block/report people. 3/4's of the comments is utter bullshat, uninformative too.
Jobs does do a better keynote.
One, Steve Jobs is better looking. The devil usually is.
Two, Bill Gates has never been prided on his looks but on his uncanny business sense.
He starts off with a joke: wrong.
He then tries to teach the class like Job does but overcomplicates things by narrating too much.
Everyone should do what their good at. What Bill Gates should have done was start off with the veiled truth.
"Hi, I'm here to beat Steve Jobs. Not just beat him but destroy him. Hehe. I've done it before right? *Wait for maniacal laugh.*
Seriously though, I'm here to offer what Apple offers and MORE. Not just our versions of his stuff but they'll all be linked together, jumping from Office to Messenger to your Xbox. It'll all be seamlessly integrated so that USERS will be so familiar with us, they won't want to switch. Here's an example of what I mean...etc etc.
Instead, he had boring step by step of everything without flair. He's evil. Work it. Last i heard, evil was interesting. Bill Gates was dull and hunched. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It takes far more forethought to live continuously in the moment with success than it does to set a clear direction that changes year to year.
- Nick_Circosta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Those who dont inovate are doomed to die"
-Nick - hyperpasta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@hotwaterham
I don't mean to start a flame war here. But you can't deny that Mac OS X has many of Vista's tricks already, and that Quartz/Core Image and Avalon end up being used for very, very similar things. I personally have seen Windows Vista and my opinion the overuse of transparency IS distracting. I also don't think many of your gripes with Mac OS X are very major.
While I like Tiger, there's more to the Mac than its OS: iLife is expensive to cobble together in the Windows world, the apps don't integrate, and GarageBand has no analog.
Macs also have no viruses - yes, I know that's not because the OS is technically superior - but still, once you run a computer without a single app running, you never want to go back to Windows.
Did I mention the hardware is much more attractive/quiet?
While I appreciate your opinion, I still think you use Windows in part because it's what you're used to, without honestly considering that Macs or Linux boxes have advantages. - hotwaterham, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Uh not a single one? Riiiight."
Vista's visual theme looks and acts nothing like OS X's "steel and jellybeans" theme. The Windows file browser and Finder are drastically different. Flip 3D is more akin to Alt-Tab than Expose. The taskbar in Vista shows live previews of EVERY window when you mouse over its name while the OS X dock only show live previews of minimized windows. Alt-Tab has been injected with the same instant-live-preview functionality (of course, this was available in XP through a Microsoft plug-in, but no one really uses it)...this is not present in the OS X application switching interface. The Sidebar, and accompanying gadgets, are Microsoft's take on the Konfabulator engine (I hate to break it to you but Apple didn't invent or popularize widgets, gadgets, or whatever else you want to call these mini-applications).
That covers everything mentioned in that video. - avocade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This at the end of the article: "Apple currently sports a market cap of around $64 billion--a $20 billion premium over Stringer's [SONY] much bigger company." Is that really true?! Would never have guessed it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Microsoft : "No vision, no spirit, no passion..."
So very true. - loquito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0and to think that I only use a PC for games and a Mac to actually get work done. hmmm...
- silentauthority, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"http://homepage.mac.com/vito/real_vista_episode_1.mov"
Brilliant - neocitron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1we're not talking about which company is richer... we're talking about who's a better speaker... and jobs hands down speaks better.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"really, then howcome Apple's only less then 10% of the marketshare......."
howcome Porsche's marketshare is even less? - hotwaterham, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Jobs is charismatic and gives a good speech...but so do encyclopedia salesmen.
I trust Jobs about as far as I can throw him. - hotwaterham, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Image is everything after all.
- angeldigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If they want to out apple try this...insert win xp in box, close box, and drop into trash compactor. end
Oh, and Bill if you need help pushing let us know. - MrBabyMan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Consider this. Perhaps Jobs can afford to be edgy and radical with his presentations. He only has to worry about his 'boutique' OS garnering 4% of the market share. Meanwhile, Gates bland, conservative presentations are perhaps a reflection of the fact that he has to appeal to upwards of 78% of the OS market. How many enterprises use Apple servers, really?
- a1lostnomad, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great article but I think Berkana gave us links to the real read. I think that the difference in presentation styles describe everything that is different between Apple and Microsoft. If you like clutter, excessive buzzwords, and insane amounts of Fisher Price colors then you are a Microsoft person. If you like elegance, comfort, and clean straight forward experiences then you are an Apple person.
- HackWithRamzi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It's Apple Fanboys vs. Microsoft Fanboys battle time!
The Apple fanboys would win because they'd just send virii to infect the Microsoft fanboys' computers. - tucsonwc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1http://homepage.mac.com/vito/real_vista_episode_1.mov
For all you Gates/windows fanboys.
Remember what is already shipping now, vs what is being ripped off real soon.
Gates and his army of drones just can't get it done anymore, they've down to just emulating what they can of OSX Tiger and seem unable to get WinFS, avalon or anything else done. - aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the reason Windows has like 75% of the market share, is for the simple reason that Macs are so expensive. First-time users buy a Dell simply because they're cheap, and not because they run Windows. If Uncle Steve released OSX for generic PCs, you would see Windows dominance dwindle fast. But Apple will never do that while they can make huge profits on their lovely machines.
I think the reason Gates can't out-Job Jobs is because Gates vision is wide - he wants windows in everything, doing everything... can't blame the bloke for it all getting confusing. Whereas Steve is focused on what Apple does and is doing - iTunes, iPods blah blah. Direct and to the point. - Berkana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Thanks! ^_^
Notice the pictures of Steve Jobs and Bill Gates in the links I put in my comment: Steve looks approachable. Bill looks like Mr. Burns, slightly hunched, fingers together at a peak in front of his chest. And don't even try to get Steve Balmer out there to try to fire up the crowd. . . - Brewno, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Gate's CES speech was exactly the same as the same speech between 1995-today with the words jumbled round.
Looking towards..future...tablet...PC.......
Jobs has hard facts and definite dates. - gwjc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ah h2d2, M$ bashing never gets old.. it's like benny hill, the stooges or the simpsons; the more you see it.. the deeper your appreciation :) Anyway, I won't fault Bill for his lack of personality compared to Jobs.. I wouldn't want to have to be compared to Jobs doing a public speaking gig either (ditto most of us geeks I'd wager) there's a reason Woz was always the back wheel and Jobs the front.. Bill should have done the same a long time ago.. sadly I guess he tried and seemed to think Ballmer would fit the bill. I guess maybe he thought the insane, freebasing gorilla routine was somehow engaging.
- hyperpasta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@ hotwaterham
The visual theme in Vista is different, but the underlying engine and technologies are similar: transparency, live resizing, high-resoultion, 128 square pixel icons, etc.
In fact, the Vista interface has a fatal flaw. While it looks very pretty with only one window open, as soon as you have overlapping windows, the effect is EXTREEMLY ugly and legibility is drastically reduced.
You're right, Flip 3D is akin to ALT-Tab, and provides no advantage.
To see a live preview of every window, use Expose, which can totally replace minimizing windows.
Apple had widgets in 1984 with the original Mac. They've been around forever.
And my favorite feature of Tiger? It's out now. In fact, since April 2005, around 18 months before Vista's expected release. - jtinnesco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Windows Vista is already starting to look like a copy of Mac OS X, i'm suprised no ones submitted it to the rip-off's section of engadget.
- jtinnesco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Only Jobs can out-Jobs Jobs...Say that fast three times.
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@mrbabyman: "Consider this. Perhaps Jobs can afford to be edgy and radical with his presentations. He only has to worry about his 'boutique' OS garnering 4% of the market share. Meanwhile, Gates bland, conservative presentations are perhaps a reflection of the fact that he has to appeal to upwards of 78% of the OS market. How many enterprises use Apple servers, really?"
Not really. Gates is on record as saying how much he admires Jobs speaking ability
Also, the boutique thing is getting old and is just flamebait. And CES is a consumer show, so the reference to servers is more or less meaningless - isilex, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Awesome read!
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0[quote]and to think that I only use a PC for games and a Mac to actually get work done. hmmm...[/quote]
Luck you, you rich two-timing bastard. - lollerskates, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0IMO Macs are more like Cadillacs. Not that powerful, costs a lot, but still in the public price range, and very luxurious (there's no doubt that Aqua is the most beautiful GUI on the market today, not counting custom mods).
andrewR wrote: "I think microsoft showed a clear direction they are taking in the industry, whereas apple seems to live by the moment. Just my opinion."
That is, after all, the nature of Zen Buddhism, which, in the first post, claimed was Jobs' style: "Zen."
mrbabyman wrote: "Consider this. Perhaps Jobs can afford to be edgy and radical with his presentations. He only has to worry about his 'boutique' OS garnering 4% of the market share. Meanwhile, Gates bland, conservative presentations are perhaps a reflection of the fact that he has to appeal to upwards of 78% of the OS market. How many enterprises use Apple servers, really?"
You are totally right. Jobs is appeasing his developers and the "in" crowd of hipsters that use his OS for image's sake and as a fashion device, where as Gates has to appease the layman, that is, everyone who uses his OS like Joe Sixpack.
However, in response to your last question, how many companies use Windows Server? Maybe a lot more than Apples, but the number of *NIX servers still makes the above two look like dwarfs. - Zonkzor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I watched the webcast where bill showed how people will use computers in the future and the unveiling of the Urge music service. Gates and the main guy showing off everything did alright but the guests like Justin Timberlake and the MTV guy just felt awkward and told really bad jokes. Guess I shouldn't be expecting some sort of crazy entertainment from a trade show. :-)
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http://CollegeCheapskate.com - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Some people are tards. Look at the CES 2006 Keynote by Bill Gates (Microsoft) and you'll see some amazing technology there. Steve Jobs is far from presenting such technology any time soon. Those ipods will get old at some point however.
- neocitron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1i will never argue that jobs is one of the best public speakers around
- Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@mrbabyman: >>Consider this. Perhaps Jobs can afford to be edgy and radical with his presentations. He only has to worry about his 'boutique' OS garnering 4% of the market share. Meanwhile, Gates bland, conservative presentations are perhaps a reflection of the fact that he has to appeal to upwards of 78% of the OS market. How many enterprises use Apple servers, really?
- flock31070, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I think Jobs is overrated.
- hotwaterham, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1""http://homepage.mac.com/vito/real_vista_episode_1.mov"
Brilliant"
That's not brilliant, you silly zombie. That's bogus propaganda from yet another rabid Applelite. There isn't a single point made in that clip that is valid. Not a single one. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0On the clouds from the first post - You noted the clouds start to look stormy because of number, but a big enhancement of that read is not just the bit of rain to the side but that the top clouds are also ominously dark (because of the blue centers made to render the text legible and match the background). Look at the cloud over Daffy for another example of this - for a cloud to be non-threatening, it must be light and puffy, not looming with a dark core.
- andrewr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1One thing I see is that IF Bill Gates had gone with something more like a Steve Jobs keynote, he would still be flamed for that, so either way, he gets burned.
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