What is Digg?86 Comments
- Seekhey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, there are differences from Webkit and KHTML, though the core is basically the same. They maintain a SVN repository at webkit.opendarwin.org, since Apple decided to open-source it.
- sparkmonkeyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"The goal of the Shiira Project is to create a browser that is better and more useful than Safari."
Ha, that would be anything, when i use my mac, i never even touch Safari. It Chugs - NetSliderX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Widescreen browsing, expose for tabs, universal binary... I am loving this browser!
Oh, and dugg! - Seekhey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am kind of waiting for Shiira to become a little more complete. Before 1.1, I couldn't log in to any secure sites, as it would crash, and 1.2 got stuck in a loop with any Google site. 1.2.1 is looking great, though it crashes when it attempts to auto-complete. I will gladly switch from Firefox once Apple updates Webkit to the latest version of the engine and the smooth out the edges.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Soooooo many people complain about Safari and it being 'slow'...
Ummm, okay. If you say so. I've never had a problem. But, you know, it's best just to be like cattle and agree with everyone else... - FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Really cool-looking website! (And icon).
++digg - Gardenhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I forgot to mention how easy it is to fire up another browser from shiira in case the formatting is screwy in shiira. view -> open url with -> your favorite browser
- Ross, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Speed isn't that big of factor for me in browsers. I'd like a browser that can DIGG a story here without reloading the page. Also text editing controls (Bold, Italic, Underline etc.) tools don't appear in Safari, but appear in Firefox and Camino, but NOT in Shiira etc.
- FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@eddieo
"Ok, dumb newbee question I know. I just bought a 12" ibook. I made the switch, not permanently though. Safari stinks, I'm using FF, still slow. My question is how the ef do I uninstall a program. Say for example I install Shiira and don't like it. How would I uninstall it?
Thanks."
You would just drag it to the trash. :) - MartyMcFly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm so sick of seeing old news being touted as special and put on the front page. They also have a widget but I m sure some one has already said that. Big deal.
- MartyMcFly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"all" "no"
- MartyMcFly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hey I know I'll I have to do is post something about the Mac or link to a free program and I'll be golden. Gesh. This site getting old, and know one has any thing new to say about the Mac or Windows.
- Gardenhead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm browsing on shiira right now, I love it a lot. Especially the newsreader on the side, its even slicker than google.com/ig. I can see this project going very far, its still in its infancy. The page transition is cool, but the biggest selling part is the sidebar. Definitely worth checking out if you're on safari.
- Ross, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There's only reason why I don't use Firefox on Mac OS X. It doesn't load the Apple store page correctly lol.
- shadowmoses, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0www.caminobrowser.org its far better than Shiira...
Shiira has come a long way I am using it now and its pretty good but i still prefer camino - jnoehr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@eddieo: Drag it out of your Applications-folder to the Trash. Done.
- JR007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yes, I agree. A windows port would be sweet.
- Chasin_Fat_Kids, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0thay have a widget web browser!
- peterthegreat4, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0please port this to windows. we need a khtml browser so badly.
- CLIFFosakaJAPAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This looks promising
- 2GMario, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0everything is cool and dandy except for the minor fact that it doesn't render CSS on buttons and text fields
for a web developer using a Mac in a Windows world, this is unacceptable
back to FireFox - NiLeS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Yes! Now I can have 6 browsers! (well, 5 - I guess IE for Mac doesn't count)
One for every work day! - NetSliderX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Shiira is, shall we say, inperfect? Yes, it offers very very fast browsing. But it lacks quite a few features and really likes to crash 80% of the time that you try to use a form or an autofill ... Get these little kinks worked out and it's a winner!!
- SappAss, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I has been using Camino, but I really like the ability to "open all links in tabs" just like firefox. In windows, firefox is the only answer, but on OS X, this really seems to work well.
- osxmusic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nice. First alternative browser to Firefox that I enjoy using. That includes Safari.
- orreborre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've used it for a while now and i like it a lot!
I'ts very light weight and simple! - SectorNation, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0New features include "New Application Icon"! Where do I sign up? ;)
- eyreka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Safari is fairly fast on my aging G4 but VERY unstable under 10.4.x so I tend to user Camino or Opera. Shiira is nice and though based on WebKit is rock stable but as said by others it lacks features I've come to depend on. SunriseBrowser, http://www.sunrisebrowser.com/ , is another one to keep an eye on.
- NetSliderX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Been using it for a few hours now. I'm really liking it! Runs MUST faster on my iMac core duo than Safari does. Sadly, this is about the only reason I will continue to use it. The expose feature is great but a bit sluggish and it doesn't let me log into a few sites which is irritating but I can always open Safari for that...
Also, I have had no problems digging at all. A few more updates and this browser will have the potential to destroy Firefox.
I do hope there is no port to Windows though. Sorry, but I miss the days where Mac users had apps that were just for them... These days just about anything can used on both OS'
There I go with my private thoughts again... DUGGGGGG - youmustagree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0have been using this for some time now, its looks good and works well
- thelastknowngod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0its good. i think its quicker than safari, which ive been using as my main browser for as long as i can remember. if it wouldnt mess up some pages (like digg) i would use it exclusively. firefox blows. opera and camino arent a whole lot better. omniweb is close but there just something about it that i cant stand.
- andrew52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0the f8 thing is slow and is not smooth at all. im sticking w/ safari.
- Bogtha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@elroy,
Why do you point out that WebKit/KHTML are non-standards compliant and then tell people to use Firefox? Firefox is also non-standards compliant. No browser fully conforms. However, having said that, Safari, Shiira, Konqueror and other browsers built on top of WebKit/KHTML support parts of standards that Firefox does not.
The way you worded it makes it sound like you think Firefox is some sort of paragon when it comes to standards compliance. This is simply not true and it has a long way to go. In many respects, further than Shiira. - hiro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm actually quite impressed by this, though I've only tried it for 5 mins so far. Didn't think I would ever have a reason to switch from FF but this seems almost as good and seems to load pages in much quicker.
If I end up switching I'll be hoping for a Windows port as well so I can use it on all machines - aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0there are extensions for Firefox that do the pseudo-expose thing. like:
https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&id=1457&page=previews
and I'm sure I saw another one. - CaptainFuture, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0LOL: "Tiger provides a powerful graphic library that is called Core Image. That is very great, we MUST leverage it." Love the Japanese. :-)
- kamizu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ EdgeOfEpsilon
I would hardly call that comparison recent. Opera 8 has been free for months now, FF is in version 1.5 and IE for the Mac is dead now. - ncraig, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0has anyone noticed that this has been submited like 4 times before too? once 141 days ago???????
- dna42fan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use Shiira, except for on http://cad-forums.com
It messes with the pages just like Safari does, and it bugs me. - elroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Let me address all of the "it works just like safari" comments:
THIS IS BUILT USING WEBKIT. WebKit is Apple's fork of KHTML, the [non-standards-compliant] HTML implementation in KDE (a free desktop system).
Firefox, people. It's a solid browser. Mac users, use the "GrApple Brushed" theme and it will use native safari/cocoa widgets, for a very responsive mac-style interface. If you want thumbnails of your tabs, there's at least 3 extensions to do this. Two of them are exposé knock-offs, and one uses a sidebar for tabs. - zwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Surprised Shiira is finally getting noticed. We already have a nice selection of different browsers.
Safari
Firefox
Mozilla
Camino
Shiira
SunriseBrowser
Opera
OmniWeb - eddieo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ok, dumb newbee question I know. I just bought a 12" ibook. I made the switch, not permanently though. Safari stinks, I'm using FF, still slow. My question is how the ef do I uninstall a program. Say for example I install Shiira and don't like it. How would I uninstall it?
Thanks. - eyreka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Safari is fairly fast on my aging G4 but VERY unstable under 10.4.x so I tend to usr Camino or Opera. Shiira is nice and though based on WebKit is rock stable but as said by others it lacks features I've come to depend on. SunriseBrowser, http://www.sunrisebrowser.com/ , is another one to keep an eye on.
- eddieo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@ jnoehr and FlyingLlama,
Thanks for the info. Much easier the winblows, er um I mean windows! - boozedrinker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wow - very impressed - just installed it ,and have already started looking at the web in a whole new way.....very NICE! Man, some more work, some advertising, and this could be a firefox KILLER! just needs a few more features that FF has. Thanks go to the poster!
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!! - EdgeOfEpsilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For those interested, WebKit.framework is 8 MB.
So even adding that to the size of Safari and Shiira, you still don't have a Firefox or Camino. Opera looks pretty good though, which corresponds to its snappy performance on OS X. - aDub, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have been using Shiira for almost a month. It combines features from other browsers and comes with a skin that copies Safari's look, only with slightly smaller blue icons. It's my favorite everyday browser, with Deer Park's G4 version of Firefox as my 2nd choice when I run into a web site incompatibility.
- EdgeOfEpsilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Ugh, Firefox... "Yay, lets render the GUI with the same interface we render pages!" Yah, that'll be fast/secure (and people complain about IE also displaying your hard drive).
Interesting binary size comparison:
Firefox: 25.3 MB
Camino: 23.1 MB
Opera: 12.6 MB
Shiira: 7.0 MB
Safari: 3.7 MB
I've been trying Shiira for a while. One thing I like about it is that there's a (+) icon next to the last tab, so you can make a new tab. The new tab's (x) button is now where the (+) button was, so clicking in the same spot closes the blank tab. Nifty.
For a great, recent comparison of OS X browsers, see
http://www.applelinks.com/p5/index.php/more/rating_nine_os_x_browsers1/ - EdgeOfEpsilon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0(and yes, I'm oversimplifying IE's security problems. It's just to make a point that OSS can make potentially insecure software architectures too.)
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Those page transitions seem like they would get very annoying.
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