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- iching, on 10/27/2007, -5/+61This is one of the reasons I upgraded since I use the new Airport extreme router that is in another room with my printer and my extra hard-drive. Hopefully they will update and fix the bugs they must of found between the two devices. I read that there are already some that have found a solution to this on MacRumors:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4387985 ...
1) disconnect airport disk and plug into computer as a USB drive directly.
2) Set up time machine to use this volume.
3) In terminal cd to volume "cd /Volume/HDD"
4) In terminal "touch .com.apple.timemachine.supported" this will create an invisible file.
5) In terminal "sudo chown root:admin .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
6) In terminal "sudo chmod 1775 .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
7) In terminal "ls -l -a" the .com.apple.timemachine.supported file should be -rwxrwxr-t
8) eject disk, unplug from mac, plug into Airport.
9) mount at mac using connect to server in finder (command k) and afp://airportname.local./HDname
10) see if time machine now sees the drive and tries to use it.
I haven't tried it because my OSX is still on a truck somewhere. - inactive, on 10/28/2007, -29/+73Hurray for Mac apologists.
- Orion682, on 10/28/2007, -9/+53Riiiight, and I assume you made similar comments when MS was announcing the features they were cutting from Vista, right?
Both companies should be ashamed for making promises they can't keep. If it's not done, don't talk as if it is. - bantam, on 10/27/2007, -6/+32Hell windows users were bashing Vista for removing features... Also i think not delivering wireless backups comes no where near not delivering WinFS....
- OS2Guy, on 10/28/2007, -51/+76Better to have yanked it now then later. Critics would have a field day if the touted feature failed to work as advertised. Couldn't you just hear ZDNet, Engadget and Gizmodo? Articles would be never-ending, speculation rampant, and Microsoft Lusers trumpeting "I told you so....". Apple will return it in an upgrade just as soon as they can ensure it works as it should.
- lukeadams, on 10/27/2007, -6/+25To compare Time Machine with Windows System Restore indicates that you have no idea what Time Machine can do!
- hexydes, on 10/27/2007, -4/+22I think this is an absolutely fair comment. Microsoft received a great deal of flack from users (Windows and OS X users alike), and it was very much deserved. When Apple does the same thing, it should receive no special consideration.
Now, granted, Vista dropped MANY more things than Leopard, but you can't say a removed feature from Vista is a screw up, and a removed feature from Leopard is Apple looking out for users. It's one or the other. Microsoft deserves more volume of criticism simply because they removed so many features, but they both deserve the same TYPE of criticism (or praise, if you think they were looking out for the users). - joe90210, on 10/28/2007, -25/+43rofl, mac fanboys are too funny
- runner108, on 10/28/2007, -12/+28See no evil, hear no evil
- jakem1, on 10/27/2007, -6/+22Perhaps but there's no denying the fact that this is a big blow to Time Machine. It's a lot less useful if you have to plug a hard drive into every Mac you want to backup as opposed to having one central point that you backup to.
Maybe Apple should spend a little less time marketing the benefits of Time Machine. - blackjack75, on 10/27/2007, -1/+14Maybe because 90% of mac users will use Time Machine while I know no one outside the geeks that know about Shadow Copy. It's all in the simplicity.
- zenatek, on 10/27/2007, -5/+18I am another who purchased the Airport Extreme and had it ready to go in my home in anticipation of Leopard. We all use laptops and it made a lot more sense to do it wirelessly. This is very dissappointing.
- bullhead2007, on 10/27/2007, -9/+22I think your tone would be different if this was a feature pulled out of Vista ;)
- inactive, on 10/29/2007, -38/+50lol, and apple fanboys were bashing vista for some removed features.
- estvir, on 10/27/2007, -8/+20.. but when Microsoft removes a feature you guys have a massive cry and bring it up all the time. There's like what, 3+ stories so far on the homepage about a feature being removed? At least Microsoft is forward about it.
- mostman, on 10/27/2007, -4/+15You know. If enough people keep saying this. It becomes true. Right?
- blurky, on 10/27/2007, -2/+12As one of those apple fanboys who's 'discussed' Vista for removing features(and former Microsoft employee), I feel like I got my just desserts. However, that doesn't give me back the cash I spent: 180 on an Airport, 120 on a new harddrive and 200 on a family pack of Leopard - PRIMARILY for this one reason, and now I feel like that monkey could have been better spent elsewhere.
- mostman, on 10/27/2007, -1/+11It was buggy. Really buggy. Oh, and you should have seen what it does to your network connection while its doing the backup. I turned it off early on. I'm not surprised by this.
- superkendall, on 10/27/2007, -4/+13You can still back up to a network drive, it just has to be attached to another Mac. So if you have a Mac desktop attach it there.
- kodybryson, on 10/27/2007, -7/+16I also just recently purchased an Airport Extreme for this purpose. I'm very disappointed. I needed a new wireless router anyway, but I paid the extra for Apple's because of the possibility of wireless shared backup.
- Ac1d, on 10/27/2007, -13/+21shh don't remind them, you're going to get buried now.
- hexydes, on 10/27/2007, -6/+14Yes, but EVERY new feature in OS X is "revolutionary". Apple is a marketing monster, and can make even the most blasé feature look exciting and dynamic. You can't fault Apple on that, because it is the job of the company to sell their product. If anything, you should blame Microsoft for adding tons of features into Windows, and doing nothing to really get people excited about them.
- richardiscool, on 10/27/2007, -3/+11I wouldn't be so confident in new Airport drivers - my Macbook still chokes on any chanel above 6.
- REUYL, on 10/27/2007, -3/+11*Steve Jobs
- drunkenoaf, on 10/27/2007, -1/+9Perhaps that it doesn't work properly yet, and Apple don't want to piss people off by losing data for them?
- estvir, on 10/26/2007, -3/+11List all the things dropped in Vista, there are very few compared to the amount people on here try to make it seem like.
- deadbaby, on 10/27/2007, -3/+11System Restore has nothing to do with Time Machine. System Restore exists to take snapshots of your system config because of the unreliable Windows registry and DLL Hell. It clearly states when you run System Restore that it won't change any of your data files. Apples & Oranges.
- tabaczka, on 10/26/2007, -2/+9I wish i could spend monkeys. That would make life so much better than wireless backups.
- dungbeetle, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8Why do people buy N stuff when it hasn't even been ratified yet? The final product may not even be the same as what you have now. Just a question that's been haunting me...
- listrophy, on 10/28/2007, -1/+8What I don't get is why Apple lied to me about this. I submitted this chat to digg a few days back: http://digg.com/apple/Time_Machine_WORKS_with_an_H ...
"I can assure you, that Time Machine will be able to use an external hard drive connected to an Airport Extreme Base Station. I have the specs in my hand and an Apple Engineer next to me." - smrekar, on 10/27/2007, -2/+8They did not yank wireless backup. they just removed AE backup.
If you mount a wireless volume (not SMB) then you can use that.
Buried for misleading title. - stoppard, on 10/27/2007, -5/+11This is lame. This was probably one of the best features in Leopard. I even got an airport extreme instead of another n router just because of this feature and now they don't support it. Hopefully they will have it working soon.
- wageslaven, on 10/27/2007, -3/+9Why is this being dugg down? XP is to Vista as MacOS is to OSX. A 10.X
A $130 point upgrade isnt remotely close to the engineering changes that went into Vista.
Vista had _many_ potential forms during its development process, and the loss of WinFS happened very far from the release dates. It wasnt even in the Betas (that were out nearly a year before release).
The loss of this Time Machine feature is a minor one really, they dont want to ship a problem -- that is understandable. But speaking of 10.X updates as "major improvements" is silly. What Apple users pay $130 for every ~12months is nothing like I paid $150 for Vista Ultimate.
All my applications (Like WMP, Messenger and Backup & Restore Center) will recieve free updates during the life of Vista that are of the scale as what was just removed from Leopard.
Heck, Vista is a whole new OS, OSX is a fork of FreeBSD + proprietary GUI. Now you're paying $130 for a few applications. - d1a1s1, on 10/27/2007, -7/+13Was probably unremarkable because nobody could find it and when they did it was too confusing.
- modix, on 10/27/2007, -3/+9And if they had gutted Shadow Copy to as gimped as Time Machine? We would have heard nothing?
- ArchieAndrews, on 10/27/2007, -4/+10If there is anything less funny than a troll, it is a lame attempt at a troll.
- rootnik, on 10/27/2007, -5/+10Wow, calm down.
- Firehed, on 10/27/2007, -2/+7System restore isn't to bring back deleted files - it's to fix bad driver updates and software installs. And in my experience with it, it works flawlessly for that provided it actually goes back far enough.
- rootnik, on 10/27/2007, -3/+8This is exactly why Ron Paul uses Ubuntu.
Sorry... had to do it. - NJank, on 10/27/2007, -2/+7never make a purchase based on what is promised to be available... base it off of what is available.
- modix, on 10/27/2007, -2/+7Vista was an update of over 6 years. There is a lot more bundled in the Vista upgrade than the Leopard upgrade. Of course there would be more to drop.
- itchytooth, on 10/27/2007, -0/+5Mine is working without doing anything in the terminal. What I did was:
-connected Mac to USB drive, formated it to HSF+ and set it as a Time Machine disc
-started the backup, let it run for a minute and then stopped it
-disconnected USB drive and plugged it into Airport basestation
-drive automatically mounted in the Finder and Time Machine picked back up where it left off
Of course, even on an N network, it's pretty slow. You'd probably be better off doing the first backup over USB, then letting it do the incremental backups wirelessly. - jamesweston, on 10/27/2007, -5/+10Windows Vista: Open Shadow Copy Scroll Back until you find it and click ok
- jamesweston, on 10/26/2007, -2/+7both Windows xp and vista have Shadow Copy which works the same way as Time Machine.
- TheXuu, on 10/27/2007, -2/+7Mine too! like 20 mins before it was supposed to be here fedex put a delivery exception and changed the delivery time to 6PM :-(
- ramsinks.com, on 10/28/2007, -9/+14Ah kids are fun.
There is technical reasons why, it's not because Apple hates you. Would you rather wait a bit longer to have a "solid" solution for wifi backup, or just rush an unfinished product the Microsoft way? - superkendall, on 10/27/2007, -7/+11People seem confused here - you can still back up to a networked drive, it just has to be shared from another Mac instead of the AIrport. Those with a desktop and laptop or two will not have any issues.
Or, you can use the workaround posted below if you only have laptops and still want to use the Airport mounted disc. - soopafly, on 10/26/2007, -0/+4Your marketing tactics are terrible.
- rootnik, on 10/27/2007, -1/+5oh, wait...
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