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- orbanj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+49NOTE: The Nasdaq "Global Select Market" is NOT the entire Nasdaq exchange
- flag564, on 10/12/2007, -37/+81We are a nation of laws, and not of men.
Looks like the law is starting to close in on Jobs and company.
Quick someone bash Vista!!! - robbh66, on 10/12/2007, -9/+39Companies are constantly warned they're going to be delisted. Dell, IBM, and such have ALL been warned at one point or another. The slightest hiccup and with your books and you get a warning about being delisted. Tell nasdaq that you're going to be late a few days with some filings, they warn you about delistment. The only difference right now is that Apple is in the limelight so there's a big hooplah.
- angusware, on 10/12/2007, -8/+33Apple acknowledged in December that it had falsified records to show that a board meeting was held to approve the move when no such meeting took place. Apple also said that Mr Jobs was not aware of accounting implications of backdating and that he returned the options so that he would not benefit from the practice.
- InsaneMachine, on 10/12/2007, -7/+26OMG, Vista Sucks, it's so bad it raped my dog, set my house on fire, and razed my entire city!
happy now, flag564? - Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20As long as their products are Trendy, I'm still on board. The moment something else comes out thats cooler, I'm there. I have no opinion of my own.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18Yeah...becuae a company NEVER lies in pres releases when they get caught.
Just like how Martha Stewart ALWAYS had a standing order to sell when her IMClone stock reached a certain point, and that point just HAPPENED to come just before the bad news was announced.
OBVIOUSLY there is more to the story if the Feds are not satisfied and are investigating further.
Believe it or not, Steve Jobs is not a saint. In fact, most people who know him say he is a huge prick. And quite frankly possibly a crook now. - Crass22, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17He screwed over The Woz plenty of times. I think Jobs is selfish.
- andrewman, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20No don't explain things with facts! Don't you know this is digg where things are only ture if it gets over 150 ups. So you just slow down with your truth and keep to the norm of going crazy screeming about the sky falling.
- flazz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14fanboy: I'm an apple fanboy.
reality: cool, nice to meet you, i live in the real world.
fanboy: sounds like a cool place, i don't have to, i have a mac and everything is perfect.
reality: did you hear Apple is being investigated for shady finances? nothing big happens all the time.
fanboy: Apple? Being Investigated ... for something bad? bad finances?
reality: yeah, its probably nothing to worry about, it happens all the time in big companies. A lot of money can tempt people, they're only human.
fanboy: can't be true, apple donates all money to AIDS, poverty and U2.
reality: right... moving on, its probably nothing, like I said it's just an investigation. Nothing is even proven. When its over apple will still be around. it happens all the time to big companies. the idea is to fix a problem, not run them out of business.
fanboy: big corporations bad, apple good.
reality: big corporations are traded on NASDAQ, apple is traded on NASDAQ.
fanboy: 0001 GS/OS: bad system call
reality: damn. - angusware, on 10/12/2007, -9/+16They acknowledged they were under investigation ages ago
- saska, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9FTA: "January 23, 2007: It emerges that the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is not satisfied with Apple’s internal report and has asked it for documents relating to its own inquiry into the company’s accounting"
- UbuntuX, on 10/12/2007, -8/+15Yep its for rich people, I had to beg my wife to buy a 2nd hand MAC because they are so expensive. And its a really nice laptop but its not money well spent. When I also bought an ASUS with the same spec sheet for half the price.
- veegeeksk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6actually bill gates is not such a bad person as the media are attacking him for copying osx .
infact i would attack steve jobs for selling macs for " only rich people " . man i went to apple's website and wanted to buy a mac a few days back . and the cheapest notebook was abt 2000 dollars. i was like " oh its so costly i cant afford that amount of money " . and and also they dont deliver or sell mac products in my country. i saw the list of countries in which they sell mac . " us , aus ,canada, and only developing countries " man not even one developing country or 3rd world country .
and then i searched for vista and to my surprise , dell is selling new laptops preloaded with vista where u can customize it . i was really surprised that vista is being offered in my country the same day its being released in the us.
guys ,bill gates has donated more money for charity for poor children in my country to go to school . i hope that vista sells a lot . atleast he gives money to charity . no wonder warren buffet has also joined hands with him.
i wonder why the western media is attacking him . - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+13Thisis not the first time Apple has almost lost this. At some point, the NASDAQ may say enough is enough.
- CoolWind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Surprise! The Feds weren't satisfied with Apple's internal audit. Guess they're not as gullible as you.
- bluelu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4To all Apple Fanboys that think that Jobs hasn't profited from this illegal activity:
According to http://www.heise.de/newsticker/result.xhtml?url=/newsticker/meldung/84358 (which cites the washington post) Apple backdated stock options for Jobs. Jobs did use these stock options to change them against 5 million stocks worth 75 million. Those stocks were blocked for 3 years, but after three years, these stocks were worth 650 million and he sold stocks for 297 million! If he didn't backdate the options, he would ahve had to pay a lot more. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Why, pray tell, does Apple not deserve this as a company? SEVERAL people in charge were involved.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@masgrada
no that would be because vista isn't a company its a product
apple however IS a company.
sorry i know everyone else on the planet knows this but i thought i'd make it perfectly clear incase you didn't understand why everyones dugg you down :) - MetalGod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Wow, I'm tired of hearing fanboy this, fanboy that. It seems like everyone wants Apple to fail so Microsoft can have no competition again.
I personally think Apple's growth is helping everyone, even the Microsoft camp. If Apple never stepped up, Vista would probably have never been released yet and it would have had nowhere near the features it has now. - zdiggler, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6"Yep its for rich people, I had to beg my wife to buy a 2nd hand MAC because they are so expensive. And its a really nice laptop but its not money well spent. When I also bought an ASUS with the same spec sheet for half the price."
ASUS laptops are top of the line in my book right now. I've a L2D from friend like 5 years ago and it still got 3.5hr of battery life. Only laptop with battery refresh option in CMOS.
Bought a few for my customer and they much happier with them then, compaq, hp and dell. Even the Mac guy who got mac book was jelous because huge screen with same processor in his macbook for almost half the price. And he have to use bootcamp because anyways because nobody make software for his mac in their industry.. lol - iKato, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ASCII, on my digg?
- doce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@aliguana: actually, being from Texas, I know a very large number of Dell and Compaq/HP employees. Humorously, the overwhelming majority that I know use Macs, even the lowly tech support monkeys among them.
Why? "I know how we treat our customers. I'd never put up with that, myself." - brokencode, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12Microsoft FTW!
- mathmanjeffy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@zdiggler,
Out of curiosity, if its worthless, how do you own thousands of dollars worth?
@masgrada,
If you are wondering why you are being dugg down, its because you are an idiot. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9veegeeksk, your %s are way off. Apple has less than 2% marketshare worldwide. Its only in the US that they have a reasonable foothold, just like Scientology.
Link? - spritom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Meanwhile, totally unrelated of course, this could be heard up in Redmond...
"Exxxxxcellent." - HideoKojima, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5ROFL Steve Blowjobs is *****.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+610% did not buy OS X Not even close.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Well to be taken seriously you really do have to get the basic facts straight.
Anyway, people will always buy MS centric PCs simply in order to make best use of the available pool of software available and because you can generally obtain a PC with the same specs for 1/2-3/2 what the mac would cost
Yeah yeah, we all know that you can stick XP/Vista on a mac, but then the mac is actually a PC then, isn't it!
The biggest reason though, is pure economics. You can buy a PC for 1/2 to 2/3 what an identically specified mac costs, sometimes even cheaper (look at dell notebooks). Basically you have to be well off to be able to afford one of the decent macs, even mac apologists have to accept that. - UbuntuX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3yes but as you say they have to innovate.... Jobs sells. Innovation is a windup radio for Africa, not a new color for Ipod
- headzoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3FTA:
"Apple also noted that the investigation could “subject the company to a potential delisting from the Nasdaq Global Select Market”. That market, which started last July, comprises about one third of the companies listed on the Nasdaq exchange."
Note the "Nasdaq Global Select Market", and "started last July". This article isn't about being delisted from Nasdaq, but from a sub section of Nasdaq. It is possible that the Nasdaq doesn't want companies with "black eyes" to be in it's special list that's reserved for the best of the best. - UbuntuX, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Thank God, the man is morally reprehensible
- questionable, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So, the law doesn't apply if you're awesome?
I don't like that. - veegeeksk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8ok assuming that vista copied everything from mac os x , it has almost identical features and is similiar to mac os x, and is also cheaper , so i guess people will go for vista.
i am sorry to say macs are only for very rich people and pseudo-intellectuals who want to be different and who are going to bury me.
and i really must say bill gates is a much better person , atleast he is giving away so much to charity and helping people all over the world , while steve jobs is stealing company shares worth 7.5 million . link: wikipedia . - doce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@veegeeksk: "and the cheapest notebook was abt 2000 dollars"
I guess you missed the entire MacBook line that starts at US$999. but using those as an example would totally ruin your point, so I'll forgive that totally self-serving "fact" selecting.
Really, you guys are missing a giant piece of the puzzle here, whether willfully or not, I can't say.
Selling computing hardware as a commodity - lowest price, highest volume - is the formula for success in the business and geek markets. Both segments already own (or at least have) tons of existing software and the experience or staff on hand to provide support, and just need new hardware periodically. Thus, commodity-style hardware works very well. These markets buy computers on spec sheets and price more than any other factors.
To the general consumer market, Hardware As Commodity doesn't work nearly as well. Random home users don't typically keep software libraries, they don't have the expertise to keep their computers virus and spyware free. They don't understand or care about specs and only care tangently about price. They are buying a computer for the experience and their focus is on usability; "Sure, they say I can use just about any computer to make a home movie, but I'm not a geek and I've never done it before, so I need the one that brings it down to my level." These factors directly contradict the "computer as commodity" mentality and these customers are willing to pay more than commodity buyers because they're not buying more gigahertz (which are nearly mythical numbers to them, anyway) or a faster bus (which they have no idea what is), they're buying an experience. "This computer is the one that looks easy enough that I, the computer idiot, can actually do a bunch of really, really cool stuff. Sure, this other one does it too, and costs a few hundred dollars less, but I don't think I could figure out its software." Thus, the one that would work for them becomes the cost of entry. They don't see the $500 computer as an option because they aren't sure enough they can wrap their brain around the included software.
And the whole thing about Macs being for the "very rich" is just absurd. Get over yourselves. - aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Where are the stories about MSFT? I have heard from former employees of MSFT that it will be investigated as well.
- finezapa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3hey.. apple needed SOME way to stay alive economically, pre-ipod era.
- antdude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The Web site seems to be in mainteance. Copy: http://duggmirror.com/apple/Apple_warns_that_it_may_lose_select_listing_with_Nasdaq/
- aliguana, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1exclusivity, yeah. and the fact that 90% of the world can't afford them. a £2000 Mac or a £350 PC? no contest.
that, and people go with what they know. if they use Windows in work, they use it at home. if they use Macs in work, chances are they use them at home. - bluelu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0But you got a brain, don't you?
I said they cited the washington post. It's not that hard to find the relevant article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/NewsSearch?st=apple+jobs+650&x=0&y=0&fn=&sfn=&sa=ns&cp=&hl=false&sb=-1&sd=&ed=&blt= - uberdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Apple got caught because it's run by sloppy sandal-wearing hippies. Time for the NASDAQ to break out the hippie drill!
- adamjbuckland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If Jobs steps down, that really would lower the Apple share price. Jobs won't step down until the Apple shares are at an all time high, to prevent this happening
- SmartITGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0What with the past experiences of Worldcom and Enron, the FTC and SEC are scrutinizing the large monopolies book-keeping a bit more strictly.
And RIGHTLY SO!
Anyone that says that Apple is being a victim here, get a life! You ***** around with and cook the books, you get investigated, it's THAT simple!
You won't find ONE former Enron investor who lost everything - to agree that the FTC/SEC are being vultures and that Apple should NOT be investigated...
I hope Apple turns out to be another Enron. I'll laugh so hard and loud they'll hear me in China. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I just saw an Apple fanboi fall past my window.
What a shame. - permaband, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I was about to run out onto the street to check the sky wasn't falling when I spotted a negative Apple article on the front page of digg - luckily some of you commenters managed to drag the typical, completely irrelevant Microsoft/Vista/Vista vs. OSX arguments into the fray and restore natural order!
- SmartITGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Yeah, I'm sure that the accountants who executed that action took it upon themselves to help Steve Jobs financially (without his knowledge) purely out of the kindness of their hearts...
...riiiiiiiiight!... - SmartITGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@veegeeksk
How 'bout 'cause if I JUST want OS/X I STILL have to buy an Apple, because Apple will not license anyone to make them, so that they can deliberately keep the price highly inflated. The PC is cheap because IBM let EVERYONE make PC's, which spawned an entire ecosystem of hardware and software manufacturs. PC = choice = cost saving. Mac = OS/X = no choice = no price advantage whatsoever.
(before you flame me, we are talking Apple (hardware&OS) versus PC (no particular hardware or os!)
PLUS, Most software that people need to use to work is ONLY available for Windows. Some of us don't have a choice. There is MORE to computing than word-processing/spread-sheets/art/and music! What about real stuff like (real-world) CAD design and even electronics design?
The Mac world is largely devoid of such engineering products - EXCEPT for software programming suites.
(Before anyone mentions Bootcamp or Parallels - why would I buy a super expensive Mac, to run Parallels/Bootcamp to run Windows to use the software I need to run, when a cheap PC already does that without me having to fork out twice the cash for a proprietary system and O/S?)
At least a PC can run MANY different OS's. Apple goes to great lengths to make sure that ONLY Apple O/S or Apple approved software will work on their crap.
Basically Apple decides what you can and can't do with the hardware you bought from them. Apple "IS" no better than Microsoft in this (lock-in) respect. As much as I hate Bill Gates & Microsoft, at least Microsoft ONLY locks-in Windows users, and not "PC" users!
Apple really does not need to do it's own marketing. All the Ikea shopping Volvo driving Apple maniacs spend all their time extolling the virtues of Apple products, and the Apple consumers do all the aggressive campaigning for them by insisting everyone on earth should dump all their consumer goods for the Apple products. - UbuntuX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Oh yes an we all understand ze germans
- SmartITGuy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0more like - Microsoft F's TW
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