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- Morphiuz, on 08/15/2008, -1/+33"if I was going to sleep today to wake up in ten years' time, I'd be much happier with Google stock under my mattress than Apple."
I agree, in 10 years, Apple and Google both will have a grand hold on the mobile phone market, but Google has it's teeth in many more branches of technology, whereas Apple mainly relies on computer sales, aside from the infamous iPhone/Pods.
A curious question for fellow diggers:
In say... 5 years, do you think you'll have a Google Phone? or a Apple Phone? - hadak, on 08/16/2008, -3/+17Google phone. It's open source, and I use more Google products than Apple products, so it integrates better with my lifestyle.
- joe90210, on 08/16/2008, -9/+18Google is not stronger than Apple, 99.9% of Google's entire revenue literally come from one product, if that goes south, they are *****. Apple on the other hand is continuously expanding is product line very successfully.
- B08ama, on 08/16/2008, -5/+13Google may be winning in terms of displacement, but Apple's got velocity. Let's step away from the fact that the two companies have two completely different objectives (besides dominating the world), and have collaborated multiple times for making awesome things (Google Maps with GPS, YouTube app, both on the iPhone). The only field that I'd say Google and Apple have in common is cell phones, if you even want to call them that anymore. As this article suggests (http://digg.com/apple/First_Android_phone_sighting ... the iPhone is kind of leading the market.
I also want to point out that this _is_ the year of innovation for Apple. Let's see, we've got the MacBook Air, iPhone 3G, revamped MacBooks, MacBook Touch (assuming this and the item previously listed are not the same)... Anyone who says that Apple isn't taking over is either living in a hole, or will in the future due to all of the embbarrassment wrought from being completely wrong. - TheFinaleofSeem, on 08/16/2008, -1/+9Apple may not make some big innovations that will rock the world, but what they do is take existing ideas and repackage them in a way that works wonderfully, with smaller innovations along the way, like multitouch in a phone and a graphically involved UI.
Xerox thought of their GUI program as a waste and was about to kill it when Apple came out with the Lisa, then the Mac. Apple took something immature and turned it into a much more usable product.
The first digital music player? Nobody says they made the first one, but they were one of the first to make a small, hard drive based player that worked well. Most other players were flash based and had little capacity, not to mention a crap shoot for software. Apple put together a package that worked well and could hold a lot more music to boot. Most HD players had 2.5" drives in them and were godawful bricks at the time.
Apple never claimed to be the first to make an ultra-thin laptop, pal. They did boast that it was the thinnest laptop of it's time, which was true.
Nope, Apple wasn't the first to make a touch screen phone. Again, they never claimed that they did, so stop the strawman crap already. They did package a very usable phone with a multitouch interface, though.
Glossy effects on UNIX? Thanks for showing a staggering amount of ignorance, toolbag. They also added their APIs, their own additions, modifications, their own parts of Darwin, which is a hodgepodge of existing OSS and their own bits, a truckload of their own applications, and not just "glossy effects", but a full blown GUI that was and still is setting the bar for UIs in both terms of usability and effects, and a helluva lot more than that. Keep oversimplifying everything if that helps you feel better.
Does Apple ***** up? Sure. Do they perform some lock-in? Yep, but ask Joe Consumer if he gives a damn. Keep up your ignorant, vitriolic ranting, because after all, this is Digg. Opinion is fact, anger is logic, and you're an idiot if you don't agree with me!
BTW, the ALTAIR was the first personal computer, not an IBM machine. - dmightx, on 09/21/2008, -1/+8If I could have a google phone today I'd get it.
- inactive, on 08/16/2008, -0/+6Right. That's why Unix kicked Windows's ass.
- michaelpinto, on 08/15/2008, -3/+8Going back to the days of Jobs and Woz selling blue boxes out of their car Apple has phone technology in their DNA. Add to that that the success of the iPhone (and the iPod) is as much about the hardware as the software - not just the industrial design but the interface design.
Google is a search company at heart an is taking the software route - this means that their system can be put on lame hardware. Now I'll grant you that Microsoft did well with this approach, but vast audience for cell phones is consumer - so hardware counts! - iWasHere, on 08/16/2008, -0/+5I don't think @hadek ever said "Open Source == Always equal better"... @hadek just said a Google phone would integrate better with his/her lifestyle since he/she uses more Google products than Apple products.
- stealthspc, on 08/16/2008, -0/+5They aren't worried about security. They are worried about performance issues. Flash will slow the iPhone down tremendously, possibly making Mobile Safari unusable.
- HookmasterCH47, on 08/16/2008, -2/+7Will the Google phone be out in 5 years?
- xerograde, on 08/16/2008, -4/+9I need to buy me some stock in the GOOG...
- JasonCox, on 08/16/2008, -4/+9Open Source != Always equal better. Just remember that. Google may release another WinMo, not an iPhone competitor.
- iChaz, on 08/16/2008, -2/+7I admit to being an apple fanboy and all, but I think Google has a much broader coverage, with all the companies they own. Their services, like adsense for example, ripple out and become very important. I'm not saying that apple doesn't do this, but Google seems to have an advantage in the sense that they play an important role in the mere survival of the interest.
I mean, my facts are vague, but that's just my observation. correct me if I'm wrong. - jobobshishkabob, on 08/16/2008, -0/+5That's mostly Adobe's task.
- MAGZine, on 08/16/2008, -3/+8This seems like comparing apple to oranges.
- theOster, on 08/16/2008, -0/+5android - totally
here's a list of the round one winners of googles "Android Developers Challenge"
http://phandroid.com/2008/05/10/adc-round-1-winner ...
god, i ***** love google. - rimantas, on 08/16/2008, -2/+6dug down for overpriced and all other nonsense.
- mmilton, on 08/16/2008, -1/+5Google probably has much more potential and, yes, a bigger moat - barrier to entry. Apple is in a much tougher market, consumer products. I say that Apple is the better run company.
While they are in completely different markets, it would be interesting to see Apple buy Google with Jobs at the helm. Jobs would do at much better with the Google product potential.
Another interesting move would be to see Google buy Sprint / Clearwire and provide cheaper mobile service through an advertising funded WIMAX wireless/open network complemented by cheap Android phones. If that happened, Apple would have a tough time. - enzomedici, on 08/16/2008, -2/+6
The future is the iPhone and Apple will dominate. Google relies solely on ad revenues which will be non existent in the mobile market. Google's long term outlook isn't that good. Apple's is stellar. - Galaxylander, on 08/16/2008, -1/+5You'd think so, but you'd be wrong. Especially since you're completely biased towards Google in that post.
"Touch screen phones? Yeah, they're like 6 years late."
I could say "Search engine? Yeah, whatever, Yahoo was so there before them."
"Portable Music players? Hah, [Insert *****, slow, clunky music players with a bad UI here.]"
I could say "Email? Whatever! That's been done like 20 years before Google! Hotmail? Yahoo mail? AOL mail?"
"Thin notebooks? Sony."
You never listed a 3rd 'innovation' from Google, but let's just pick, I don't know YouTube! I could say "YouTube? Hah. Google didn't even make YouTube, not unlike many of their products! Google bought them, which is a frequent practise for them!"
"Google developed a new operating system instead of latching on to an existing one."
I could say "But Apple had written their own OS up to OS 9 until Steve Jobs left for NeXT which created a more useable, sexier and feature rich operating system, which became OS X after Steve came back to Apple."
See, the problem you have is that you're completely and utterly hiding innovations for one, but making them apparent for the other. You keep bringing up products but not the small things about them that make them special.
Yet you bring up email storage, rather then just email.
Let's look at the iPod. First of all, it had INSANE amounts of storage compared to the other players on the market at the time. Second of all, it had an easy to use, simple UI that was fast and very intuitive. Thirdly, later in the iPod's life they brought us the clickwheel, that made the interface super fast, easy and FUN to use.
Yes, Sony did have thin notebooks before the MacBook Air, but what's with completely skipping over the micro mini core 2 duo chip that Apple and Intel collaborated on making the MacBook Air FAR more powerful than any of the notebooks in it's thinness range. Or it's great battery life that surpasses those before it.
Yes, phones did have touch screens before the iPhone. But they were not the insanely responsive capacitive multi-touch sort that the iPhone has. You also ignored the user interface, which Apple made from their well established computer OS that is the slickest, most useable, most intuitive and most easy to use of ANY phone operating system created to date.
All you're doing is trying to mask the innovations that Apple DOES have...
And just before I save this, I'm an Apple fanatic AND a Google fanatic. But I want Apple to win in the mobile phone market because I'm not really sure Google's operating system will be as great as we think it is. I think we're all in some sort of "Steve Jobs reality distortion field" with Google of all things, none of us actually know how it works or whether it's as great as we think. The UI changed like every five minutes in the videos we have seen... I'm just not really sure Google is ready, they've never MADE an operating system before, where as Apple has their a lot of their roots in creating operating systems....
Oh, and "overpriced" is bull. That's been disproved so many times you should just take your head and shove it up your ass so you never have to see the light of day. - tobsterius, on 08/16/2008, -0/+3Google may have started as a search company, but they're an web advertising giant nowadays. Not that it's a bad thing; they make their money from the ads and use it to fuel search technology.
- inactive, on 08/16/2008, -0/+3I hope they don't get special privileges - as much as I hate to say it, it would be ***** to let Adobe do Flash and Microsoft not do Silverlight (I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's true.)
- jthei, on 08/17/2008, -0/+3"You're missing the point," she said. "What you're saying makes sense in theory, but not in practice. You're trying to compare apples and oranges."
"Why do you keep saying that?" he asked in response. "Apples and oranges aren't that different, really. I mean, they're both fruit. Their weight is extremely similar. They both contain acidic elements. They're both roughly spherical. They serve the same social purpose. With the possible exception of a tangerine, I can't think of anything more similar to an orange then an apple. If I was having lunch with a man who was eating an apple and- while I was looking away- he replaced that apple with an orange, I doubt I'd even notice. So how is this a metaphor for difference? I could understand if you said, "That's like comparing apples and uranium,' or 'That's like comparing apples with baby wolverines,' or 'That's like comparing apples with the early work of Raymond Carver,' or 'That's like comparing apples with hermaphroditic ground sloths,' Those would all be valid examples of profound disparity. But not apples and oranges. In every meaningful way, they're virtually identical."
"You're missing the point." she said again, this time for different reasons. - MtheoryX, on 08/17/2008, -0/+3You actually got an inheritance to speak of...in my book you're already a "rich bitch."
- bobwrit, on 08/16/2008, -0/+3When the Apple 2 came out(1978) they had 80% market share in OS(this was before the MS-DOS and IBM alliance. Microsoft was making Programming languages solely) and PC(The Apple 2 was first mass-market PC) markets.
- themaestro18, on 08/16/2008, -0/+3Not everyone is enamored with Google http://www.bestsnippets.com/post/44147570/not-ever ...
- theOster, on 08/16/2008, -0/+3rumors just started *flying* in the past week or so that TMobile will unveil their android model in September (HTC Dream/G1) to promote their new 3G network.
- krisrm, on 08/16/2008, -0/+3I fail to see your point...
- DaveClarkOne, on 08/16/2008, -1/+4Google has a HUGE vulnerability whereas Apple does not: If you wake up tomorrow inundated by effective, viral marketing that a new search engine was called "WHAT" and many people started typing WHAT.com instead of GOOGLE.com to check it out, then oops...where did my customers go?? No one really can evaluate the quality of a search anyway, so the lack of stickiness (aside from gmail) could be a real problem for Google. Yahoo and Microsoft marketing just hasn't found a way to get someone to try their search engines in place of Google. That's not to say it can't be done. When is the last time you were tempted by MS or Yahoo to try their respective search engines? What a missed opportunity!
- colincornaby, on 08/16/2008, -1/+4The article was full of hyperbole. Apple is hardly screwed without Steve Jobs. Sure, lots of people like to think Steve Jobs is the huge force behind Apple, but Steve has handpicked many engineers that could carry on his legacy without him. I think it's degrading to the people who work at Apple to act as if Apple would be helpless without Steve Jobs.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 08/16/2008, -0/+3Adobe is working on Flash for the iPhone right now. The problem is that it will eat battery life even faster.
- Palaceguard, on 08/16/2008, -1/+4Google is on the Board of Directors at Apple. How can they compete?
Dr. Eric Schmidt
CEO
Google - lolcat23, on 08/16/2008, -1/+3but its all the same product line you see, sure, phones and ipods and computers, but its basicly the same thing that sells those three. design and coolness, if apple looses that its lost almost everything, and design and coolness is a flimsy thing to trust in.
Google might be standing on one foot, but its a sturdy foot. not to mention, they have us hooked, no matter the OS, the Computer, your preferences etc, Gmail is very big, google IS the search engine. not to mention the ever growing cloud. ppl are more and more(slowly, but steadily) using the cloud apps(like google docs and other strictly online services that are replacing old-school products that are localized to one computer). If they manage to capitalize on the cloud concept and integrate it into the android thingy(the phone). they are gonna be the new Microsoft(atleast in terms of dominance). heck, if thats the case, i see computers like the eeePc becoming the standard, light, small, with lightweight interfaces built around connectivity and cloud apps. no need for 500giga hard drives when its all on the cloud anyway.
wow, that went off topic! - krystofr, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2Technology moats are "big" but "shallow". For example, AOL used to have a big moat, but that moat "dried up" very fast. Google could easily become the next AOL in the next 3-6 years when the next big thing comes along.
- themaestro18, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2But they are with Apple http://www.bestsnippets.com/post/46230004/apple-an ...
- CCmachined, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2Apple sell and deal in Hardware and OSes.
Google sell and deal in Internets.
Since when do they compete...? - mmilton, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2One way Apple will compete is via a commercial - I'm an iPhone and.... I'm an Android.
- toetagger, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2Versus? One's in advertising, the other, consumer electronics.
- MrSkills, on 08/16/2008, -1/+3The difference is that last time he was ousted from the company by people who wanted to go in a different direction.
This time, if he was run over by a bus tomorrow, there is a much greater likelihood that Apple would continue to be run in its current style. - ExRe, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2So, if Apple isn't making money off of their OS, why are people buying Macs? I haven't seen too many people buy a Mac for Windows.
Apple makes money on hardware because their software is locked to certain hardware and people are willing to buy that hardware to have Apple software. - inactive, on 08/16/2008, -1/+3If I WERE going to sleep today, I'd be pleased I'd invested in some education and literacy. If you can't speak and write properly, you won't be working for my company. So yeah, gambling is all you can do. Good luck.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2Um, what? Adobe is working on Flash for the iPhone right now. And yeah, it's just a novelty...that had the single biggest consumer electronics launch in history. That's currently selling like hotcakes and is unseating the big players that had years to corner the market. It's just a novelty that has sold millions of units and is continuing to sell like crazy. It's only a novelty that has a kickass application distribution system that is making developers the world over happy in the pants.
Yeah, it's just a short-lived novelty, just like the iPod! - mmilton, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2They will be if Android is worthy. Android will be to the iPhone what Windows is to the MAC...
- whatever01, on 08/17/2008, -0/+2"No need for a 500 giga hard drive when its all on the cloud anyway."
No thanks, I'd prefer that my information stays where I want it, rather than put it in the hands of a company who's stated goal is to search my information and use it to extract money. - MacParrot, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2Arguing with jabbers is like teaching a pig to fly. It wastes your time and annoys the pig
- qbthemc, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2It says anything over Apple and there gay white hardware. I never stated that anything becomes Apple. You are an ignoramus. You need to re-read.
- inactive, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2I'm sticking with my altavista stock. They're gonna make a comeback one of these days.
- theOster, on 08/16/2008, -0/+2if you watched the opening of IO08, you'd see that sergey and larry are really dedicated to spreading their love of open source (it was mentioned that they want to give back to the community that was able to let them do what they wanted (LAMP and whatnot)). so their main interest is making the web available to everyone in teh world. this goal is achieved via advertising dollars from - guess what? things like android that default to google search . they said very plainly that they want more traffic because it means more revenue. and more revenue allows them to execute ventures that benefit everyone. so when everyone uses google search, everyone wins
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