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- MacParrot, on 09/29/2009, -7/+33This is actually a pretty good deal considering it covers not only in school purchases but home licenses for teachers and students as well.
- bradleyland, on 09/29/2009, -4/+27He didn't say he wanted an Apple monopoly, he said he wanted a break in the Microsoft monopoly. A market where Apple/Linux/etc had even 25% of the market share would be an improvement over the situation today.
- _skin_, on 09/29/2009, -8/+28$59 per student. Not bad for what you get.
- inactive, on 09/29/2009, -1/+15Is a Linux monopoly even possible? I mean, since it's open source that means everyone who wants to participates in building it. Does that even count as a monopoly?
- MacParrot, on 09/29/2009, -15/+27Replacing a Microsoft monopoly with an Apple or Linux one is not a good thing.
- gaymathman, on 09/29/2009, -2/+13Don't forget that's a yearly charge, which makes it a little harder to warm up to. Also, the price of the hardware is more important, as you can't get an osless mac, which most schools do with Windows computers so they can use a dirt-cheap educational license.
- Titan615, on 09/30/2009, -3/+12I think Apple only districts are frankly, idiotic. Apple makes some damn good software ( and hardware), so does Microsoft and so do Linux distributors. Teaching kids only on a single proprietary system is not a good choice. I think that school districts should run a variety of OS choices and educate the kids on their options.
On a side note Apple computers are freakin' expensive too. If only they would offer cheaper hardware or discounted hardware to schools, I think they would find they would have a lot more market share. - borez, on 09/29/2009, -2/+11That's great, my mate runs a Logic Pro class and he's still using Logic 7 because there was no way he could afford to upgrade... he'll be over the moon about this.
- chadsmith729, on 09/29/2009, -2/+10I remember when I was in school during the 1980s schools were equipped with variants of the Apple II.
- gaymathman, on 09/29/2009, -1/+8Except that they spend 340,000$ lobbying the US government to purchase more educational licenses... perhaps that's the reason for the more expensive pricing
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/24/brie ... - gaymathman, on 09/29/2009, -7/+13Microsoft in no way has a monopoly, and even if they did, these new licensing terms are far worse than the old ones, so I can't see this growing Apple's educational market share.
- doshindude, on 09/30/2009, -0/+6I think you need to re-think what the definition of a monopoly is.
- powersm, on 09/30/2009, -0/+6This is really disappointing. Apple used to be a big supporter of education. You could get a building license for iWork and iLife for $250 apiece. So now, not content with making buckets of money from the iPhone, iTunes and its other enterprises, it is shoving this turd down education's throats and in the middle of a recession. This licensing scheme would be expected from Microsoft not Apple which has always been a hardware company and not a software company. What next? Are they going to start charging for iPhone software updates. Apple already charges a premium for its hardware presumably to support a superior OS and supporting applications. If all I needed out of a computer was Google Docs I would get a netbook.
- Metalcard, on 09/29/2009, -1/+6OpenOffice or Google Docs. There, I just saved you tons in future Office Suite purchases.
- dchurchill, on 09/29/2009, -2/+7Microsoft having a monopoly on school computer networks? There's an app for that
- doshindude, on 09/29/2009, -19/+24I'd MUCH prefer Microsoft monopolizing rather than Apple. *****.
(Not that Microsoft is monopolizing in the first place, seriously, STFU about that, it's been 10 years and people won't shut up about that *****) - Pyehole, on 09/29/2009, -9/+12How is Microsoft a monopoly?
- MtheoryX, on 09/30/2009, -0/+3You're being buried because you're drop dead wrong.
Take your buries like a man and stop whining. - rocketpop, on 09/30/2009, -0/+3I work for a small rural school district, and (if we were mac based) we would be spending 80k+ per year on this "deal". All this for the right to upgrade when apple releases a new OS, or am I missing something? This is just software assurance? This seems like a bigger ripoff than extended warranties.
Our entire technology budget for software and hardware isn't even 80k per year. As it stands, we do a complete rotation of all of our computers every 4 years, and of course they generally ship with the latest version of Windows--all of this for less than software assurance from Mac. - xero9, on 09/30/2009, -0/+3I grew up on Macs at school, because that was all they had. It didn't stop me from buying PC after PC for my personal use. I've since switch to a Mac as my primary computer, but I still respect the PC.
Bottom line, it won't make a difference. - saltydawkins, on 09/30/2009, -0/+3I've never used OpenOffice, but I made the switch to Google Docs for my personal needs quite a while ago. For my personal needs it is more than enough. I especially like the ability to share documents across platforms. However it is not nearly good enough for the corporate world. Offices like bells and whistles and easy 3D graphs and Google comes up well short of that.
- ajb2015, on 09/30/2009, -1/+3sorry, but the future of computing is not about learning how to install your own drivers and launch programs from a command prompt. sure, it's helpful if you know such things, but really the goal should be to create a seamless experience that is conducive to productivity or entertainment. apple does this very well. you don't care about how the inside of your tv works do you? i don't either. it does what i bought it to do. i think the same goes for computers.
- cawpin, on 09/30/2009, -0/+2@Iwantawii: Your school doesn't have a MS Campus Agreement? That must suck. You get access to any MS software at greatly reduced cost.
- meghalc, on 09/30/2009, -0/+2isn't that how Microsoft does it?
- MtheoryX, on 09/30/2009, -0/+2They do offer discounts to schools.
- powersm, on 09/30/2009, -0/+2I am a big fan of OS X and the Mac platform but I think this stinks.
- Pyehole, on 09/30/2009, -0/+2That is not the definition of a monopoly.
- gaymathman, on 09/29/2009, -0/+2Apple also has been lobbying the DOE for funds, which is probably a large part as to why this has changed; they've been working on getting more government funding for school computer programs, and elementary schools favor Apple products.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/08/24/brie ... - gaymathman, on 09/29/2009, -1/+3It depends; if an organization wants to always have the latest version, this is good. However, Apple used to allow educational groups to buy severely discounted licenses at any point, so this is a worse deal than what they had before for organizations willing to upgrade every other version.
- cawpin, on 09/30/2009, -0/+2Yeah, nobody uses computers or any of that other stuff for education.
- gaymathman, on 09/30/2009, -0/+2iMac G4s or G5s are still more than fast enough for most applications, and a school could buy cheap Dell desktops for more intensive applications. If I were in charge of allocating funds at a school, I would never spend the extra hundreds of dollars for new Macs; the OS goes out of support in less than two years, and there is a gigantic hardware premium.
- abbathdoom, on 09/29/2009, -24/+26Anything that promotes a break in the Microsoft monopoly is a good thing. Whether it be Mac or Linux I don't care, we just need to get rid of this Microsoft monopoly. not just in schools but in computers in general.
- wettej01, on 10/01/2009, -0/+1cliffr39,
That's an accounting issue, not a greed issue. - cawpin, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1@MtheoryX: ONLY the download is free, which is the same to me, but if you want to get a physical copy it isn't, which is what I was talking about.
http://kb.iu.edu/data/axuz.html - Dalhectar, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Nationwide, Windows has been on >50% K-12 machines for at least the past dozen years or so. Back when I was in Middle School Apple was big, but that was before Windows 95 was released.
- powersm, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1It is a terrible deal. We used to be able to get building licenses for $250 for iLife and iWork. Now, on top of the hardware premium we have to pay a software tax every year to stay up to date? Thanks Apple for stiffing education in the middle of a recession.
- Pyehole, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1You are confusing your arguments. Your first assertion was you couldn't walk into an employers place of business and tell them you want to use a different tool set than what they have chosen to use. You now assert that consumers don't have a choice. Make up your mind. Is it a monopoly because you can't dictate to an employer how they operate or is it a monopoly because you can't use or purchase products other than Windows? Obviously the latter is not true. You can buy a Mac or you can install a free OS on your hardware. That leaves you with your original argument which is fundamentally flawed.
Sorry, thanks for playing but try again later when you've thought this one through. - MtheoryX, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Yes, to purchase the physical media, you have to pay. They're not giving out cd's, packaging, etc for free.
But my point still stands as valid that the LICENSE is free.
You can burn it to your own disc for a few cents if you really need the physical media and don't need the box and all that. - inactive, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Who cares, Apple lost the education market years ago. This is just some too-little-too-late BS to distract people from the fact that they're ***** up with the App Store. Apple is screwing up their second chance badly and they don't even realize it yet.
- blowed247, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1wait, how much is software on TPB again?
- inactive, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1No I'm a taxpayer who is tired of educrats ripping me off and turning out ignorant children.
- pyrates, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Reminds me when MS did this for business except because it was MS people bitched about it. I guess if Apple does it, you gotta rationalize it as being a good thing because it's Apple.
- cawpin, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1No you don't. It was NEVER free at IU and the prices have followed my school pretty closely.
http://kb.iu.edu/data/axuz.html - Wongeroo, on 10/01/2009, -0/+1I completely agree.
One of the many arguments I used to purchase Macs in my school district was that their overall long term cost were less than a typical PC. On the surface Macs are more expensive, but when you have a building with 100+ computers, installing iWork '09 for $250 instead of Office 2008 for $60 per seat is a hard argument to contest. Combine that with the hardware reliability and ease of management (5 years of windows sysadmin experience for comparison), they save headaches and budgets.
And now Apple has made that case harder to make. At least there isn't malware [yet] and so I don't need to purchase 3rd party security software [yet]. - wettej01, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1I agree. The old school site licensing was much better for education.
- cawpin, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1I don't know what pricing your school has, but $100 is WAY over the pricing my alma mater was at the last time I checked. When I went through school everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, was $5-$10 per copy. I even got the entire Visual Studio 6 for $5, all 5 discs for $5. Only my last year is when things went up. Visual Studio .NET was then $10. All the other things, all OSs (98se, 2000, XP) and all Offices (2000 and XP) were still $5. The latest thing I checked, Windows Vista Ultimate, was $30. I believe Office Professional, with everything, was also $30.
- xero9, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Let me guess.. You were the loser in school who wasn't athletic at all, and didn't have the brains to use computers? Is that where your hate towards athletics and technology stems from?
- MtheoryX, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Office 2008 for Mac is available for free from IUWare, and has been since its release.
I guess you didn't read the part where the DOWNLOAD is free. You only pay if you want the physical media.
Screenshot for proof:
http://img.skitch.com/20090930-rfy4iuqm62paf3rxm3w ...
Don't talk ***** if you don't know for sure. - xero9, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1Maybe I'm not used to the old Apple, but this seems inline with the current Apple. See what a little increase in market share does to you?
- danielwsmithee, on 09/30/2009, -0/+1This is the way most software works now days. You can subscribe for the right to upgrade or choose not to. If you choose not your license is still valid.
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