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- staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+28Just for your info.
Blu-ray Disc Association:
* Apple Computer
* Dell
* Hewlett Packard
* Hitachi
* LG Electronics
* Mitsubishi Electric
* Panasonic (***** Electric)
* Pioneer Corporation
* Royal Philips Electronics
* Samsung Electronics
* Sharp Corporation
* Sony Corporation
* TDK Corporation
* Thomson
* Twentieth Century Fox
* Walt Disney Pictures
* Warner Home Video Inc. - njackson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23why do people seem to think that rumors are important news?
- Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -11/+27zanq74, never, ever speak for others. you do not have the right. I would like to read the comments and not have to put up with fools such as yourself that stalk other users.
- staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"Curse sony for trying to create their own storage format (again) in order to monopolize the industry. If either blu-ray or hd-dvd comes on top, the other half of the people who bought the other format will be left in the dust. geez!"
Apple helped create Blu-ray. They are now on the BDA. Blu-ray is not a proprietary Sony format and Sony weren't even the first people to research Blu-ray.........geez! - swOhio, on 10/12/2007, -6/+20I have no interest in blu-ray, however I do like this news.
As soon as macbooks with blu-ray players come out, the current macbooks will hopefully drop in price. - Jarett, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13But wait fellow digg users, we hate sony don't we??
but we love apple...
but we hate blue ray...
but we love macs...
*head explodes* - TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17This rumor is as valid as the iPhone.
- Ninjab3ar, on 10/12/2007, -11/+23I love Apple
I hate Sony
Apple will use blu-ray
OH *****!
Curse sony for trying to create their own storage format (again) in order to monopolize the industry. If either blu-ray or hd-dvd comes on top, the other half of the people who bought the other format will be left in the dust. geez! - Avalontor, on 10/12/2007, -8/+18OK Zang74 you are right. but looking at your account shows you to be a Apple Zealot. BTW you should know, that I agree with Flag on occasion and have blocked him on occasion. Right now I'm pissed that you think the Apple section is yours and only yours. It's not.
I made the comment in this thread after seeing how the other one was so messed up. He made some great points there and you reacting. You do know what a troll is don't you? Every time you reply, Satan laughs. - VicHislop, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Unless they burn blu-ray, then it doesn't seem that exciting.
- Escamillo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13Note to those that bash Vista for "forcing DRM down our throats!!", these Macs will have that same DRM that is required to play BR discs. Know that.
- MonkeyFit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10We need an option to bury stories as unbased rumors. Of course, I suppose if we did, the Apple section would wither up and die. ;) Seriously, until it's officially announced, or there are leaked pics or SOMETHING credible to base it upon, articles that are pure speculation and rumor should not be allowed to reach the front page. Flagged as inaccurate until given a better flag to use.
- Bootes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7DVD has DRM, HD-DVD has DRM, and so does Blu-Ray. If you want to play a digital copy of a video it will use DRM. DVD DRM being cracked doesn't change a thing. It still has it, you're still technically supporting it. HD-DVD and Blu-Ray DRM will be cracked eventually.
- TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13""Apple to offer Blu-ray-equipped Macs by Febuary"
Why not just add a Betamax player too? "
lol flag normally i disagree with your posts but touche my friend touche. - jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5This site keeps track of whose winning based on stats:
http://www.thedvdwars.com/ - dBLiSS, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7@TheReport
Agreed.
Why apple is would be offering an untested format i the beginning of a format war doesn't make sense to me. The last thing apple wants to do is be "uncool" and If suddenly blu-ray isn't the right format they will have egg on their face. I imagine the only way apple will offer this is if the offer a choice of HD-DVD as well, or some sort of dual format drive. They are certainly not going to be exclusive to blu-ray. - whitesaint, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4We're all a little more stupid for reading that.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Look, for those of you hating Sony - remember that many, many other companies are part of the Blu-Ray coalition, while the HD-DVD camp is primarily Microsoft and Universal.
@mentor972: Apple is part of the Blu-Ray coalition, and therefore will ship with Blu-Ray drives. However they will also support HD-DVD drives out of the box because they are about choice. It simply wll be easier to go with Blu-Ray drives on a Mac, and consumers will find it easier to burn Blu-Ray media on a Mac because the drives will ship by default. If you think about it, a Mac with a BluRay burner plus a PS3 makes for a nice HD combo in a house. - cbeach, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6More annoying speculation and rumours, with a misleading title. Flagged as inaccurate.
- JayD16, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9The only difference between rumors and news is digg count.
- rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Of course Apple will go with Blu-Ray. Blu-Ray holds 25GB per layer, up to a 4-layer disc is possible. HD-DVD holds 15GB per layer, up to a 3-layer disc is possible.
Blu-Ray and HD-DVD support the same audio and video codecs. The only difference is that Blu-Ray has much higher capacity. - chongli, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3gropo:
802.11n draft spec is 540Mbit/s
Blu-Ray's data rate is 54Mbit/s
I think 802.11n is plenty for streaming HD.
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11#802.11n
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray#Codecs - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Would everyone like to know why there are even two camps here?
It's because Microsoft wanted everyone to use thier own menuing language - and thus collect royalties on every disc sold.
Blu-Ray would not add this menuing system which is why we are at the impass we see here, where the two formats are virtually identical even down to the copy protection system and codecs supported.
In the end I still think Blu-Ray will win out - with the backing of Apple, Dell, and Sony altogether it will ship on more consumer PC's and be in more people's living rooms by far than HD-DVD can muster. But basically, what a stupid war. - drjekelmrhyde, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8HD-DVD is ahead of Blu-ray
http://www.techspot.com/news/23648-hd-dvd-edging-out-bluray.html
if you still dont believe that just go to Bestbuy and see for yourself - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3HD-DVD was outselling HD-DVD until last Friday.
Now there are over 200k Blu-Ray players in people's homes, and growing. HD-DVD player sales growth is not a tenth of that.
By next year, there will be millions of Blu-Ray players in people's homes (again, thanks to the PS3). Can you honestly see millions of HD-DVD players being sold, even the stand-alone add on for the 360? - automachete, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The Memory Stick isn't exactly doomed; it's just proprietary. Only Sony's equipment uses it.
The UMD is doomed, however, and most movie studios have dropped the failing format from their lineup. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Apple doesn't back ponies.
Apple creates ponies from scratch, that just ahppen to be winners. What technologes has Apple backed that have failed?
Firewire - in every digital camcorder sold.
USB - DOA until Apple made it standard
Bluetooth - languishing until Apple picked up the ball.
Indeed, even the lack of support can cause a product to fall by the wayside - witness Apple dropping floppy drives. It took the PC industry a few years to catch on, but the floppy drive is dead. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The media is cheaper but it holds less - why would you pick a format for a computer that held less data?
Disc prices will come down, and then you would want a new media that could hold as much data as possible. - InitialDMP5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I don't know if people remember this or not, but there are about 200,000 more blu ray players out there, on ebay right now, selling for 1 to 3000 dollars. The Playstation 3 created a whole new advertising tool for Blu Ray, just like Sony wanted.
Also, in the "year of HD" (2005) Apple had none other than the CEO of Sony on stage at the MacWorld event talking about introducing sony products and working with apple to make sure they work together.
Apple most likely has support for Blu Ray in Leopard, and it should work flawlessly with editing software. As others have said though, it will be a BTO option, and not forced on buyers, at least until the prices come down, and blu ray penetrates the market. - ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Deja Vu.
I think I marked a similar article as inaccurate yesterday. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Just as Microsoft can start supporting Blu-Ray if HD-DVD does not work out.
For the millions of people who will own PS3's by the end of next year, the Mac is going to be a lot handier. - Beaver6813, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Think about the future foo not the present, of course its very little now, but it will grow. Its like going from videos to dvds.
Farewell DVDs :( - staticneuron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/26/samsung-sh-b022-blu-ray-burner-reviewer/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,125581-page,1/article.html
ballpark.... 45 minutes - BionicAntboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD is the most unexciting format war ever. HD-DVD has had a bit of an early lead, but the release of the PS3 bumped Blu-Ray a little...
I'm guessing that by the time the dust settles (2yrs or so), most of us will be able to download 'legit' HD content, making next-gen formats little more than large format back-up media - and probably more costly than buying a second hard drive AND a big thumbdrive for portability. - kotatsu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Didn't Steve Jobs recently say that Disney should look into supporting both formats? At the end of the day it's all about sales and profits, and HD-DVD is simply outselling blu-ray so Apple/Disney/Jobbs would be stupid to stay Sony exclusive.
- jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I think most people already know that the Intel macs come with a TPM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple-Intel_architecture), in all likely hood these will be used for DRM schemes.
- nxusername, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Apple, once again you have backed the wrong pony.
- Nogger, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Yeah, WTF!
"there are some rumors flying about " is equal to "Apple to offer Blu-ray-equipped Macs by Febuary" headline? Burried as inaccurate.
At least make it "Rumours that apple will off Blu-Ray-equipped Macs by febuary". - Bootes, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Blu Ray is better and has more support. I would be mad at Apple if they put in HD-DVD. It would be DVD-RAM instead of CD Burners all over again.
- Solafa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I would really love a blue-ray drive, it will add that extra space i need when i am trying to burn lots of data and/or back stuff up. I am worried about the speed of the drives that i have seen so far, they only come in 1x and 2x speeds which is a bit to slow. Does anyone know how long it will take to burn a 20GB Blue-ray disc?
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VicHislop, I agree unless they also burn blue-ray then there are no use to be honest. I rather watch blue-ray movies on my PS3. - skellener, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1At this point, it would make sense for Apple to support Blu-ray and HD-DVD disc images that you could simply store on an iPod. Then just give the iPod component out capability. Who needs new disc media? Just put your HD content on an HD-iPod!!
- Wolfman~K, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is Apple doing this because MS went to the HD DVD camp? I hope not, Getting in bed with Sony for any reason is a scary thought.... but Apple has a history of using sony products... ie batteries... :/ I guess I have no pinion on this.
- mdshoreboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Get a grip people, when Apple released SuperDrive, it was a build to order option on most of the machines at that time. I suspect blueray would be no different. If you want it, then fine, add it to your machine.
Although, once apple signs on to blue-ray, I expect HD-DVD will be dead-on-arrival. - cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2from http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#bluray_speed
"1.7 How fast can you read/write data on a Blu-ray disc?
According to the Blu-ray Disc specification, 1x speed is defined as 36Mbps. However, as BD-ROM movies will require a 54Mbps data transfer rate the minimum speed we're expecting to see is 2x (72Mbps). Blu-ray also has the potential for much higher speed..."
They are pulling the same stunt that was done when DVD first came out, they are ignoring the value of comparing the spec against CD write speeds and are trying to
start from the idea that 1x is measured against future revs of HD format technology.
Against CD specs, Blu-Ray is equivalent to 30x and 60x speeds.
Burning a 25GB Blu-Ray disc at 1x speed would take a little over 92 minutes. - sdbryan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's just silly. The transition from VHS to DVD was a large step and for several distinct reasons. The transition from DVD to HD discs is just marginally higher resolution accompanied by even more intrusive DRM.
The VHS to DVD transition moved from tape to disc. That means no rewinding (which is huge) and fairly easy random access completely unlike tape. DVD has some issues with longevity but nothing compared to tape. The size and shape is even more convenient.
None of that applies for a switch between disk formats. There are improvements in picture quality but a good upconverting DVD player with a consumer's current DVD collection is not always easy to distinguish from newer HD formats depending on the context.
As people have shown with the triumph of compressed CD audio formats versus the higher resolution discs (SACD and DVD-Audio) there is a remarkable attraction to convenience. There may not be another widely adopted audio format for disks after CD audio and there might not be a widely adopted video format for disks after DVD. Sony and other consumer electronics companies rely on it (a new format) but Apple does not. In fact with iTMS one might even speculate that Apple might be no more than ambivalent about the success of either HD format. - zwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'l just use the BTO function and removed Blu-Ray and HD-DVD from the machine in favor of two DVD burners, it'll probably cut off a good $500-600 off the price to boot. I have no interest in either format, but if I had to pick one it would be HD-DVD since there is currently more content for it and the media is cheaper.
- whiteyMcBrown, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I'm gonna have to go with the 'this is a bad idea' crowd. If Vista is supporting HD DVD and Apple wants to make sure their machines can easily work with PCs, then maybe HD DVD is the way to go. Imagine trying to convince your boss to get a Mac for your department and he wants to back up onto HD DVDs. Now he's gotta get Blu Ray discs, too... all the time. That's not the only example, I'm sure. Ah well... I guess it's not the biggest deal. If HD DVD ends up winning the way, they can just switch the drives over and offer a seperate Blu Ray player.
- gropo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Higher likelihod that iTV will utilize AT BEST 802.11n as its base networking protocol.
Not really up for the task of 'streaming' HD... Though who knows, it may have 1000baseT also included in the package and realtime down-conversion to a GigE-capable MP4 bitstream. Perhaps they've even worked out a down-conversion that can be piped through a wireless link without losing too much quality. - omaryak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Blu-Ray Disc Association = Coalition of the Willing
We all know it's Sony's gig. -
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