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- Archaic1, on 02/04/2009, -3/+175In other news: The iPhone 2.3.0 software *could* have a button that summons Samuel L Jackson to pleasure you with his left hand...
This article is just more mindless speculation based on no evidence whatsoever just to get a few hits during the lull between official releases - buried. - DerryQuinn, on 08/17/2009, -11/+181Better be true or I will kill a puppy. Are you willing to take the chance Apple?
- jsmithers, on 02/04/2009, -19/+82MEANWHILE...back in the real world (away from the reality distortion bubble that is Apple products, lovely though they are in many ways), Nokia users (for example) have been enjoying background tasks for years now. And I don't mean something sitting there doing the occasional text update. On Symbian (S60) on Nokias the OS can simultaneously run music playing, and TomTom SatNav, and Google Maps (native S60 version), and a web browser, and a hands free phone call, and contacts, and text messaging. *Without breaking a sweat*. Audio gets mixed perfectly. So for example someone could be browsing the web on my phone (Nokia N82) in the car, while TomTom is running in the background talking to my Bluetooth GPS unit on the dash and giving spoken directions (at a volume independent of the music), while music is playing through the car sound system. This is not hypothetical. I do this.
Nokias also do bluetooth (everything), cut and paste, MMS, video calling with front video camera, 5MP camera with flash and almost DVD quality video recording, (insert missing iphone feature here).
They're way cheaper than iPhones and you're not tied into a contract unless you want to be.
I'm just saying all this to cut through some of the hype surrounding iPhone. Yes, I wish my N82 had a large mutlitouch screen. But that's all I wish. The benefits FAR outweigh the losses I'd have to endure with an iPhone.
Oh, and iPhone sales are around 17 million total. Symbian (S60) sales are around 250 million.
Thanks. - judicar, on 02/04/2009, -4/+53Here's a handy form for the next 100 commenters:
My ______ ___ has had (background processes|push notifications) for the last __ (days|months|centuries) - Charlotte_Web, on 02/04/2009, -0/+47My Chinese abacus has had push notifications for the last seven centuries.
- masterkenobi, on 02/04/2009, -2/+40Great, now you're gonna kill puppies on top of the kittens that Steve Jobs kills every time someone buys a Zune?
- Steve1802, on 02/04/2009, -3/+26This would be an invaluable update but wouldn't this decrease the already dire battery life?
- FredFredrickson, on 02/04/2009, -0/+21Mindless speculation about an Apple product? Welcome to Digg!
- veriix, on 02/04/2009, -2/+21My penis mightier has had push notifications for the last three centuries
- himsit, on 02/04/2009, -8/+24I agree with your sentiment badtz, but this is about real background processes, not the special "push notification" they originally announced.
- 1jaxstate1, on 02/04/2009, -3/+19Two to three days? I'm sorry, but I have to call *****. I have to charge my iPhone everyday, and then carry a spare usb charger to work.
- inactive, on 02/04/2009, -6/+21What's the big deal? You just go to Settings > Wallpaper and choose whatever picture you want. I already know how to do background tasks.
- citrusfizz, on 02/04/2009, -0/+14You would like that addition wouldn't you?
- Zippo, on 02/04/2009, -3/+17How's the battery life?
- kenyan, on 02/04/2009, -2/+15Pretty good on my N-73. 5-6 hours talk time. 30 hours standby I think. Works for me.
- inactive, on 02/04/2009, -3/+16Ok seriously, what's with them not including copy and paste yet? Why are they coming out with all this other ***** and not finishing such basic and required functions?
What's their reasoning behind this? - billbugger, on 02/04/2009, -0/+13My HIV infection has had background processes for the last 36 months.... wait, what??
- ricsto, on 02/04/2009, -1/+14iphone lasts like a day if you actually use it..
- veriix, on 02/04/2009, -3/+15I feel the same way about linux articles. flash? really?
oooo im gonna get buried now - inactive, on 02/04/2009, -0/+12remember you couldn't run 2 programs on a mac properly until OSX came out :D
- superkendall, on 02/04/2009, -5/+16The battery life lasks about two to three days with real use, plenty fine for me for a smartphone. Go check on the real world G1 battery life if you think that's short. The fact is smartphones are not going to last a week with heavy use like non-smartphones are.
- fowleryo, on 02/04/2009, -0/+11most of the music in itunes is drm free.. so yes.
- FredFredrickson, on 02/04/2009, -1/+11***** life, eh?
- dbbblondon, on 02/04/2009, -6/+16Or you could jailbreak your phone and run backgrounder as i do - works fine nice and stable, only thing is you have to enable it after a reboot by pressing down the home button but apart from that its fine.
- SteveMax, on 02/04/2009, -0/+10At least two days of heavy use on an E62, including Bluetooth almost all the time, many calls and net usage, and a few SMSs/MMSs, before any "low battery" warning. Possibly would get through a good part of the third day (I remember hearing low battery warnings for at least 6 hours before getting to a charger).
- hardeep1singh, on 02/04/2009, -0/+10I can play music downloaded via Symtorrent on it. B-)
Also, you can buy music from Nokia Music Store. In case your phone comes with a "Comes with Music" license, you get to download all you can eat from Nokia Music Store for a complete duckin' year. - HolyChimp, on 02/04/2009, -0/+9I normally charge mine each night, but on the rare occasion when I forget it can last another day, with average use as an iPod as well as checking emails and such. I imagine videos or games probably drop the battery a fair bit, but for regular phone use 2 days is easily attainable.
- Stryder81, on 02/04/2009, -4/+13From the get go, it should have been on the iphone. Let the users decide to enable or disable it ( just like with the Push Service )
Those complaining about how much battery this can kill, I have a charger in my car and in my house, I could give a damn, Let me run what I want to run and then to me, this will be the ultimate phone. - superkendall, on 02/04/2009, -1/+10That was notifications, not background tasks. Very different, to meet different needs.
- Billions, on 02/04/2009, -6/+15Hmm. Well, back to the other real world, where you should know that the iPhone also can be playing music via the iPod portion of the phone while you do things like use Google Maps or browse on the browser, or use one of the thousands of apps available, also without breaking a sweat. So background tasks are possible, and happen everyday. This is talking about letting other apps like IM, etc, do the same thing, which I am all for. I also understand that Apple has been dragging their heels because battery life will likely suffer, but I agree, it needs to be there.
I see you are one of those guys who slams things about the iPhone but readily accepts things lacking with your own N82 - the browsing is substandard compared to the iPhone, the interface is substandard compared to the iPhone, and the form factor/screen size/data input of your phone is totally unacceptable to me when compared to the iPhone. This is not to say your phone isn't suited to what you want, and I certainly want to see things like copy and paste on my iPhone, but don't carry on about things lacking in some else's yard when you accept a lot of garbage on your own lawn.
And how about we compare how many iPhones have sold compared to the N95/N82 series, instead of how many phones Nokia sells overall? That would be more analogous; otherwise we could just throw how many iPods Apple has sold in the mix, since those show Apple's experience with battery-operated portable devices. How about how many apps have sold and what's available? The iPhone platform is much stronger than the S60 platform with less than 2 years.
I had two S60 devices (SEp800, SEp910a) in the years before the iPhone came out, and neither came close to what the iPhone could do, even with MMS and copy and paste. - osoroco, on 02/04/2009, -2/+10i agree, i feel my E71 is more than this "jesus phone" you all speak of, more like a spaghetti monster of some sort that can multitask with each noodly appendage
- inactive, on 02/04/2009, -4/+12Blackberrys already do this.
- frieddonuts, on 02/04/2009, -1/+9WinMo has had multitasking for several years too. This should be seen as a requirement but when Apple considers it it's a "visionary feature."
- benologist, on 02/04/2009, -1/+9"This article is just more mindless speculation based on no evidence whatsoever just to get a few hits"
The whole blog.... and pretty much every other Apple rumor blog. - veriix, on 02/04/2009, -1/+9Mr. Jobs, tear down this wall!
- spambutcher, on 02/04/2009, -1/+9ya - when is apple going to hurry up and make the iPhone just like Windows Mobile? We all know how great Windows Mobile is...
The iPhone is currently a stable platform - which has hardware perfectly capable of multitasking (the MP3 player and other stuff run in the background).
That would all change once Joe user loads up 8 little apps that run in the background doing whatever-it-is-they're doing. What percentage of users have a clue what's running in their taskbar?
There's no amount of RAM / CPU the iPhone could include that would fully eliminate the possibility of an errant background app bogging things down / eating up resources.
The "push" stuff may materialize - but I'd be surprised if they allowed custom apps to run in the background anytime soon.
If they do do this - I suspect it will only be a handful of apps with "special certification" (not the normal appstore approval process) to do so. - mikev, on 02/04/2009, -0/+8The man has soft hands.
- Quick2822, on 02/04/2009, -1/+8I hope the implement some sort of pagefile for the OS. 128MB is not enough, and if they are going to allow apps to run in the background (which you can already do if you jailbreak) they are going to hit memory issues.
- Archaic1, on 02/04/2009, -2/+9Don't kid yourself: we all know that Backgrounder (despite being very useful, I love it) will never be as fast, reliable or seamless as an official Apple implementation simply because the developer doesn't have the time, resources or information Apple has available to them if they ever wish to implement true application minimising.
- jjustin01, on 02/04/2009, -1/+8I call B.S.. It's been rumored for a long time and it still hasn't. I have a feeling Apple is covering their butts on this because you know if user's battery life suddenly dwindles, Apple will get the blame, not the app developer.
- hardeep1singh, on 02/04/2009, -1/+8There are a lot of app ideas that can't be developed for the iphone because they need to run background services which iphone doesn't support. This is a basic feature that differentiates a Smartphone from a Featurephone. I guess apple finally wants to take the plunge and turn the iphone into an actual smartphone.
- Zippo, on 02/04/2009, -0/+7Not nessesarily, if Apple needs to run the push server itself... all those iPhones, running a half-dozen push apps, all connected to a set of servers waiting for notifications... that could be a LOT of traffic.
- MacParrot, on 02/04/2009, -0/+7No, you misunderstand. He had an extra damn he wasn't using so...
- scootinger, on 02/04/2009, -1/+7Exactly, with how locked-down it is the iPhone shouldn't be called a "smartphone".
- utnow, on 02/05/2009, -1/+7His point about the jail broken phones being the cause of ALOT of headaches for app developers stands.
Nearly every time I get an email about some problem or other someone is having with one of my apps, I find out it's because they're doing this off the radar ***** that breaks everything without meaning to.
And because jailbreaking is so easy to do (as you pointed out) my non-geek customer, who's son jailbroke his phone because it's 1337er that way, now thinks my app is crashing to hell.
Pshaw. - drunkenoaf, on 02/04/2009, -1/+7It's great, but not *that* stable, in my experience.
- SteveMax, on 02/04/2009, -0/+6S60 phones should have no problems with iSync. Since the N85 is a new phone, it may not be included in the default OS X install; you can download its profile from Nokia.
- dcrad, on 02/04/2009, -0/+6I get just about a day out of mine, but I do play with throughout the day, net, ipod etc, im happy as long as I get home at the end of the day with charge.
- bearzly, on 02/04/2009, -1/+71. Jailbreak
2. Install Backgrouder
3. Run any app in the backround
4. ???
5. Profit! - MonumentMan, on 02/04/2009, -0/+6i need to be able to listen to pandora on my iphone while i check email or text ppl.
that would be so amazing. -
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