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- zweben, on 11/04/2007, -0/+27I would think they would implement error correction and checking to make sure data reaches the drive intact if at all possible and if it doesn't, that it is transfered again. Shouldn't be all that hard.
- SaranWrap, on 11/06/2007, -0/+24I just used Time Machine to time travel forward in time to when Apple has it working with the Airport disk - then hit restore and it now works! Well worth the upgrade just for the time travel.
- fluidfoundation, on 11/04/2007, -6/+24while they're at it, maybe the can work on that ol' resolution independence too...
- kerosan41, on 11/04/2007, -0/+16Actually, it does support AirPort Disk.
1. Plug your USB hard drive into your computer.
2. Launch Time Machine. Set your USB disk to be the backup.
3. Disconnect your USB hard drive from the computer and connect it to the AirPort.
4. "Touch" (browse) the USB hard drive with the finder. Time Machine resumes back ups. You're done. - yabos, on 11/12/2007, -2/+14Yeah, it's called TCP.
- nonym, on 11/03/2007, -0/+9Try running 'defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1' then see if you can configure it.
- arjung, on 11/02/2007, -0/+9i hate having to plug in another usb cord to my macbook, so i might actually use time machine with this feature. i'd buy an airport disk just for that reason.
right now i have a mouse, power, and headphones and it is already too crowded. i wish apple would make magsafe usb ports too... - inactive, on 11/03/2007, -8/+16Using the air disk sounds convenient but, I'll feel more secure using Firewire as a direct connection for back ups. I have a MBP, but I'll still want a reliable, fast connection. FW800 in this case. Why chance corruption? Maybe I'm being too cautious? What say you?
- Nudar, on 11/02/2007, -3/+11To me a really cool feature of Time Machine would be the ability to travel in time. Somehow, I think that feature is lacking. What happened to truth in advertising?
- BossKey, on 11/03/2007, -0/+6According to Ars Technica, Apple continues to move the pieces in place for resolution independence, and Leopard has a bunch of those new pieces. So what you're asking for is happening.
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/mac-os-x-10-5.ar ... - BossKey, on 11/02/2007, -0/+6Who said it was beta? That's why Apple removed the wireless backup feature, so you wouldn't have to suffer through beta quality bugs.
All these posts about hacking the feature to enable it are all about how stubborn users can re-insert unstable beta functions into a stable released product...and then complain later when it wrecks their backup! - LuTze, on 11/02/2007, -0/+6I am not sure how Time Machine works but I am assuming it does incremental backups and for that it does not need a major bandwidth. I use Retrospect to backup my machines my Windows, Linux and OSX machines, both on a wireless network (nightly) and remotely (weekly). The backups barely take a few minutes. The default for Time Machine is hourly if I remember right, how much data does it need to transfer for that. Anyway, the option of a wireless backup does stop you from using a FW800, you can continue using that but most other people might prefer not have to hookup an external hard drive on their laptops.
- gavroche, on 11/03/2007, -0/+6It is hidden in there, they also gave guidelines for developpers.
- meatmcguffin, on 11/02/2007, -0/+5defaults write -g AppleDisplayScaleFactor 2.0
(reset by using 1.0) - carlfish, on 11/04/2007, -0/+5Well, that was weird.
Well, that was weird. :) - dimmerswitch, on 11/02/2007, -1/+6I said it's not a deal breaker. I'm cool with or without wireless. I'm happy to have that option but in the end I'll most likely choose wired.
- OutlawJN, on 11/02/2007, -0/+4Taken from Mac Rumors.
"Well thank me later I got it working fellas. It was there in front of our faces with the exception of doing a chown and chmod.
Someone else please confirm I will post steps.
1) disconnect airport disk and plug into computer as a USB drive directly.
2) Set up time machine to use this volume.
3) In terminal cd to volume "cd /Volume/HDD"
4) In terminal "touch .com.apple.timemachine.supported" this will create an invisible file.
5) In terminal "sudo chown root:admin .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
6) In terminal "sudo chmod 1775 .com.apple.timemachine.supported"
7) In terminal "ls -l -a" the .com.apple.timemachine.supported file should be -rwxrwxr-t
8) eject disk, unplug from mac, plug into Airport.
9) mount at mac using connect to server in finder (command k) and afp://airportname.local./HDname
10) see if time machine now sees the drive and tries to use it."
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=59e86 ...
I did this and it worked for me. I also had to revert my firmware back because leopard lost my drive on my network. - nonym, on 11/02/2007, -0/+4It works with 'Airport Disk' or whatever they call it, but you can also use Time Machine to backup your data to a generic fileserver.
I have my laptop (whose ethernet port was mangled in a tragic cord-tripping incident, necessitating the use of wi-fi) backing up to a Fedora server running Netatalk.
The target volume is an HFS+ (non-journaling) partition on the server. It's suggested that you run 'touch /Volumes//.com.apple.timemachine.supported' from your Mac to let Time Machine know it's usable, but this is insufficient and possibly unnecessary.
The real trick is to make Time Machine recognize 'unsupported' volumes: run 'defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1' on your Mac and Time Machine (in the System Prefs. app) will let you setup your off-brand storage.
This might fail when the next release comes out, but at least it's nice to have automatic backups in the meantime. - mindsnare, on 11/02/2007, -1/+5All I want to do is use time machine with my bloody ipod and it won't let me.
- pkulak, on 11/03/2007, -0/+4Reliably transferring data over unreliable connections has been solved. Like 20 years ago. Do you think your Firewire cable will never drop or flip a bit? There's error correction in that protocol too.
- DarkDx, on 11/12/2007, -2/+6So do you think that the most changed items are gigs in size? no.
- HUKI365, on 11/02/2007, -1/+5I think that's sensible for a reasonably stationary laptop user or desktop user. However for a mobile laptop user, someone who'd flip open their macbook in front of the TV after a day at university - wireless is very convenient.
- unloud, on 11/02/2007, -2/+6I'd still like to have Home on iPod :-(
- cgrin, on 11/02/2007, -0/+3Dude! Awesome! I can backup to my AirPort Disk now. Best Leopard plist tweak yet.
- M600i, on 11/02/2007, -1/+4I hope so! Time Machine is great but the lack of AirPort Disk support is very annoying :/
- BossKey, on 11/02/2007, -0/+3That probably won't work. You aren't moving your system back in time, you're moving restored files forward in time, to now.
The disk will be in the state it was before, but the system clock says it's 46 days (or whatever) later, so...fail.
Sure, you could also turn back your system clock and disable network time syncing, but do you really want all your system timestamps to be completely screwed up? (logs, email, backups, etc.)
If you really want to get around time limits, you'll need a non-mission-critical machine. - Iwantawii, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2Just like downloading a file from anywhere on the internets.
- Drizzit, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2If they properly implement tcp for the transport of data then there will not be much risk of corruption of the data. My guess is that AFP has some problems or the airport does at least and Apple has to get those problems resolved.
Unfortunately Apple chooses a wall of silence and a policy of erasure rather than communicate properly with it's userbase. - Mindflux, on 11/04/2007, -0/+2default write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1
done - k3vinmartian, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2Magsafe usb ports would be neat, but likely not feasible because of the potential data-loss that would occur if you accidently shifted your laptop or imac and wires unplugged. My bet is that Apple will be one of the first companies to implement a form of wireless usb or a enhanced form of bluetooth that sends large amounts of data to remote devices securely.
Currently though you can find wireless alternatives for your mouse and headphones. - carlfish, on 11/02/2007, -2/+4Yes, there are hacks that will make Time Machine work over a network share. No, you shouldn't use them.
Why? Well, presumably Apple removed this feature at the last minute for a reason. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, you've got to assume that the reason was that it wasn't finished. Do you really want to trust your backups, of all things, to a feature that might have been pulled because of some creeping data corruption bug?Yes, there are hacks that will make Time Machine work over a network share. No, you shouldn't use them.
Why? Well, presumably Apple removed this feature at the last minute for a reason. In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, you've got to assume that the reason was that it wasn't finished. Do you really want to trust your backups, of all things, to a feature that might have been pulled because of some creeping data corruption bug? - 0xFEEDFACE, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2I've been impressed with Leopard's stability so far -- and part of that (I think) is due to their willingness to say "____ is not ready yet, so we'll disable it until we can fix it in a patch."
Those of you who remember the release of Tiger no doubt remember the numerous bugs present in the final build of 10.4. Apple released 10.4 relatively quickly in order to get their new features out the door -- and it seems like they learned their lesson this time 'round.
I do hope that they enable this soon, as it would be convenient -- but I'd rather have a late, yet stable product, esp. when it comes to my backup software. That's one thing I don't want them to rush. - mbradbury, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2TCP just checks that the packet got there ok not the complete file
- Konstantino, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2I know I'm going to look like a major ***** because I submitted this, but this is a massive dupe.
http://digg.com/apple/Apple_Hasn_t_Given_Up_on_Tim ... - BossKey, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2Dell's hardware is so expensive. If you disagree just have a look at their RAM upgrade prices.
They're charging twice what it would cost to get the RAM from a third party. - nextyoyoma, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2....no it isn't.
- toast24, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2I was definitely interested in this feature when I read about it. Seems like one of the cooler features of Time Machine and a definite selling point, especially for mobile users and locations with multiple Macs on a network. Am curious to see how they implement location awareness for mobile users...for example, assuming you're using the wireless feature on your notebook and then you disconnect at that location and connect again somewhere else.
- PunkFenixJT, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2Going to the finder and clicking the router in the "Shared" category is a hack?
- jkearney, on 11/02/2007, -0/+2This is nice and all, but what about support for NFS or SMB shares (without having to hack your way around)?
- koick, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2I'm no networking guru, but if all the pieces got there ok, then didn't the complete file also get there ok?
- InfiniteNothing, on 11/03/2007, -0/+2FYI you can backup wirelessly already provided you're backing up to a drive on another leopard PC. Something about an updated AFP protocol.
- bigsteve, on 11/02/2007, -1/+2...that'd be what he said.
- MikeOSX, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1"g-based" macs are able to stream movies and tv shows to the appleTV just fine, so why would they have a hard time with this?
- GoClick, on 11/17/2007, -0/+1In the mean time people with laptops who don't want to haul around an external hard drive can rsync to their airport disk it's crude and doesn't really provide version control but it's better than a kick in the crotch.
If you want to spend $20 (which I did) Jungle Disk provides backup versions and is only as slow as your Internet connection. It's probably one of the better $20 applications out there and I only pay about $3/mo in Amazon S3 fees for backing up my important stuff. - bigsteve, on 11/02/2007, -1/+2To make digg work as the social bookmarking site it really can be, we probably shouldn't digg down questions like mp3dog's even if the answer is readily available via googling, is a dumb question (not saying his is) or is easily answered. If anything, digg up the answers instead. Just a thought.
- MikeOSX, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1Apple doesn't make the RAM. What's your point?
- anarchyx34, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1This would be great. I've got a Lacie ethernet disc that I was planning to use for time-machine backups for both my machines. I was pretty disappointed that I couldnt.
- dimmerswitch, on 11/02/2007, -5/+6I'm with you on that. I don't see the need to go wireless here. It sounds wonderful but in the end I don't think it's a deal breaker. I haven't upgraded yet but when I do, I'll also want a wired backup.
- repoulin, on 11/03/2007, -0/+1Apple 666 Diggs. I was gonna digg it but then it would throw it off.
- Niightwitch, on 11/02/2007, -0/+1I think you have a couple of these steps reversed....please recheck.
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