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- killrrabit, on 10/11/2007, -16/+99The first rule about MacClub is that you don't talk about MacClub... you bastard!!
- KSUdesigner, on 10/11/2007, -18/+78"Wow that leaves Windows with only remaining 90%"
Since when is Windows a notebook? Windows is software and has nothing to do with hardware sales. - cheesefan, on 10/11/2007, -7/+66Virii as in reference to Latin for men?
Or Virii as in the improper plural of Viruses? - cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -22/+77Just watch, the more noobs that join your OS, the more it will become like Windows ;)
- Kazbaeden, on 10/11/2007, -16/+57Did anyone read the article? First of all, Apple did worse than Gateway. Gateway is the also-ran, forgotten step-child of the PC industry.
Second, this figure excludes Dell. Dell! Yeah, I know Dell doesn't do retail, but if you're trying to get an overview of the notebook industry in the US, you don't start excluding heavyweights like Dell. If Dell were included, these figures would be vastly different, and I'm sure Apple's figure would be marginalized more than HP or Toshiba.
Third, where exactly are the sources for this article? As far as I can tell, there are none. Please people, think. - arjie, on 10/11/2007, -1/+35You are right, the list did not include Dell when calculating the percentage.
- flag564, on 10/11/2007, -18/+47I seem to recall when the Zune snagged 10% of mp3 player sales in a month, Apple fans were saying how pathetic it was and how it proves that it is a total failure since 10% was "nothing".
Are they now going to try to paint this as some sort of huge success? - MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -6/+33@paulgibson
"I generally think that Mac's are very secure as long as you know how to lock them down and keep your software up to date"
While I certainly do prefer Macs (they're all I've ever personally owned), you could say the same thing about Windows. If you know how to keep them up to date and lock them down, then you have little to worry about either. - Sken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+28What percentage of laptop sales are from retail stores?
I would think a large percentage would be direct purchases by big business, most of which would be non-Apple PCs.
Are these counted? If so, is this result much different from Apple's previous results? - BentCorner, on 10/11/2007, -15/+36Or in other words, over 90% of consumers that bought a notebook in March chose NOT to buy a Mac.
- Hooj, on 10/11/2007, -9/+23Redmond is a threat to itself.
- gregulate, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17If seefate didn't use the word "bro"
I'd digg his comment up. - hypercrypt, on 10/11/2007, -5/+18@cheesefan
The plural for man (latin - men) is viri, not virii, virii is a made up word that technically does not mean anything. The latin did not have a plural for virus as it was a non-countable noun in the original meaning. One could try vira or virua, or just virus, but it is unclear. The -i would have been incorrect though (as virus is masculin) and the -ii ending is definetly incorrect as the word is virus, not virius. - kevincole, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16If this story is such big news, it must also be a big deal that that Sandisk has 11.2% of the "digital media player" market for March.
- Kazbaeden, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Rofl, found this in the comments "This is completely anecdotal, but I feel like I'm seeing more and more Apple notebooks around. I was in my local Starbucks twice this week and only saw 1 non-Apple laptop in use."
You were in Starbucks.... and everyone was using an Apple. Who would have guess that? - lotus22, on 10/11/2007, -7/+18Cause you can put Windows on them.
Good move Apple. - DaffyDuck, on 10/11/2007, -9/+19superpotential:
Product complexity reduces profit. Why? It increases inventory and overhead. Higher tooling costs, all of the different manuals have to be printed. Support costs are higher. I could go on and on. So, it is true that Dell likes to have a large market share but they would love to be able to do so with fewer models. - KSUdesigner, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Actually that sound is probably Bill Gates laughing on his way to the bank. A lot of people are purchasing Macs now because they can run windows on them. Mac sales equal Windows sales in many cases.
- dbr_onix, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15There already is, look on sites like milw0rm - there's plenty of (mostly local - whos use depends on "put up evil downloads and hope a Mac user clicks"-ish infection) exploits, but very few have been used
OS X is reasonably secure in it's default state (Put an clean install of OS X, don't update it and put it online, it'll "survive" longer than a WinXP machine will), but put a will-run-any-.app-file user behind it, and there is *NOTHING* to stop an application doing what ever it wants - OS X can't magically detect and block trojan-ish network traffic, it can't magically stop a background application spawning pop-up windows containing adverts.
The only thing technically "preventing" these evil applications from working is the password prompts, and considering how often people have to put it in (Epically when installing software) I'm sure they'd be more than happy to type it in to test out this "this is not a trojan.app"
But, OS X does have one fairly important thing Windows doesn't - A very.. tight-nit community that will react strongly to an application that has evil things in it (Thing that springs to mind is the application that removes your home-dir if you try and use a pirate'd serial number - It wasn't long till enough people complained and shouted and such that the site was taken down by the developer and replaced with an apology/explanation). It wouldn't take long before someone notices someprogram.app has adware in it and spreads "the news" about it
OS X is *not* invulerable to viruses, spyware, adware or other sorts of crapware, it's just most of the usable exploits/methods of creating said evil software relies on getting people to download random executables, something that is far far easier to do for Windows given how many Windows users there are (And that in general, there's more beginning-computer-users using Windows than OS X - and such, more people likely to click thisisnotatrojan.jpg.exe)
If you want proof OS X can get viruses, in Terminal.app type
echo sudo rm -rf v > ~/Desktop/Virus.command; chmod +x ~/Desktop/Virus.command # Don't run this..
Double-click that, enter your user's password and tada, your OS is dead.. Not exactly the most sophisticated virus, but it is malware none-the-less.. - misterhat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+9Macs are popular on university campuses because university bookstores offer them at huge discounts. They're usually even much better deals than the advertised "education" rates on the apple store website.
Right now on my campus, the White 2 ghz, 80mb macbook is on sale for $999.
They're also very strict in limiting purchases to students and professors. You can only buy one laptop and one desktop per year, and they check student id and keep record. If it is stolen/broken, you need a police report/bring in the unit AND approval of the manager. - getouttamyfog, on 10/11/2007, -30/+38I'm not pissed we don't have an "exclusive club" anymore...
I feel very vindicated-- all the people who asked me, "why do you have a mac? how can they be better than PCs?" are getting macs now. booyah. - rickcarson, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11If we look at things like this where they are getting 10%, and then consider that last year (when the line up was weaker) they were getting about the same (8-12% in that graph Steve Jobs had during one of his keynotes).
Then it fits with the same information that we are getting from the OS share folks. That Mac / OSX market share has stalled.
This is really surprising, because up till last year the Mac market share was increasing during a time that the overall market was slightly contracting.
It looks like now that the market is expanding again that the Mac has its share of the market and isn't increasing relative to other manufacturers.
I'd have thought that by the end of the year they'd have had 8-10% of the overall market, but now based on their current performance it looks more like they will be stuck in the 5-7% range.
This is why, much as I love the current Apple adds (Hodgeman is of course the great one, but hey, I like Justin Long too. Accepted was actually a pretty funny movie) I think that they need a refresh. Bagging Vista is just a form of free advertising for Microsoft. They should go back to emphasising the great Mac experience, do some cross marketing with Intel or something.
Also, the delay to Leopard is way worse than a delay to the iPhone would have been. If Leopard had come out and laid the smack down on Vista's candy ass early this year then I think that would have been great timing. But now it is looking like half a year or a year before us plebs get our hands on Leopard, plenty of time for people to say "if Vista has all the Mac stuff, why switch?" (it doesn't, but that is another argument).
And, as always the greatest untapped market for OSX is businesses. Words cannot fully describe the insanity that is the marriage of big business and Windows. They have to go to great lengths to lock down all the PCs because of viruses and security problems, but then they make sure that people use IE and Outlook, two of the biggest security and virus problem ridden pieces of software out there. This is recursively bad. Its badness is bad. - SpacedCowboy, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Unfortunately, OSX isn't BSD.
OSX is the Mach microkernel, with a BSD compatibility layer overlaid on top. When, in Cocoa, you type:
NSLock *mylock = [NSLock new];
... what actually happens is that the NSLock object creates a pthread mutex. So far, so BSD, but behind the scenes it has simply reserved a Mach port to use as the mutex object. The next statement:
[mylock lock];
... makes the pthread mutex call down to the Mach kernel to implement the lock-behaviour using that Mach port. OSX provides a full version of user-level BSD, but it's implemented on top of a different kernel architecture. You can also look at the device-driver section - IOKit is a C++ device-driver implementation. That's not how BSD does it.
Basically OSX is its own OS, open-sourced as 'Darwin', and this whole 'It's just BSD' thing is ignorance speaking.
For what it's worth, by the way, you may be getting a lot of 'Mac fans' suddenly saying OSX is great because they're like me... I like OSX because it's the best damn unix workstation I've ever used, I pretty much dismissed OS9 as a toy OS (along with the Windows of the time). I switched from Linux to OSX as soon as it became clear I could actually, you know, *use*[1] my computer rather than have to search the internet for this library or that just to compile something. OSX (as a platform) is just more stable than Linux.
[1] I've been using Linux since it came on two floppies. I've contributed to gcc, written my own compiler, for a CPU that I designed and implemented on an FPGA. I'm just about as hardcore-techie as you can get. That doesn't mean I can't get frustrated with the level of maintenance that Linux requires, if you want to stay on the cutting edge. With OSX I stay on that edge with little-to-no maintenance. I like that.
Simon - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Actually, HP is now the biggest computer retailer, not Dell, and all their laptops are made by the same company as Apple, namely Quanta.
HP, similar to Apple, runs few lines for the consumer retailer market. They are the DV entertainment series, 1 tablet variant in the DV series, and 1 economy laptop for Compaq that is also slated for its consumers. Since HP's new market is shiny laptops for low prices, Apple is in for some competition. Dell, has stagnated, and not surprising since they use the low-end Compal to make those ugly things. - srg13, on 10/11/2007, -16/+22"Guess they figure Mac users are suffering enough already."
If this is suffering, I don't want to know what you call Windows... - flag564, on 10/11/2007, -12/+18"No one is saying that Apple "suddenly" got 10% of the computer market."
I never said they did either. I just found it interesting what the reaction of Apple fans would be to news like this when in the case of the Zune player, which hit 10% sales in a month was met with a decidedly negative reaction from these same people.
Hit and run troll? I'm more then willing to answer posts here. It's usually the people that call me a troll that manage to post once and run. Go figure! - DaffyDuck, on 10/11/2007, -8/+14"%10 is lousy. Looking at all of the mac propaganda on digg you would imagine it to be much higher."
Yes, because most of the world's population visits digg.
/rolls eyes - KSUdesigner, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8"why is digg full of smartass office bitches who do nothing but try to prove how smart they are compared to others?"
Isn't that exactly what you just tried to do? Except you look even more dumb with your failure to use the reply function. - RiverBelow, on 10/11/2007, -13/+18@emanji
Nobody said it was, its just an increase and shows that Macs are picking up steam. Nowhere did I read anything about someone thinking marketshare increased. Damn, it even says in the title specifically NOTEBOOK SALES. Well thanks for making yourself look like an idiot once again, sir. - MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8@fryke,
I would agree. I bought a 24-inch iMac because I couldn't justify the price of a Mac Pro for home use. As an open box, it cost $1650. I would have preferred to spend that on an expandable Core2Duo tower. That and I would have bought a better monitor, more ram, and hard drives. Of course I can still do that with the iMac, but there is the added expense of USB/FireWire hubs, drive enclosures, and so on. Plus it junks up the desk, which kinda defeats the purpose of having an all-in-one in the first place. - wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6'Words cannot fully describe the insanity that is the marriage of big business and Windows'
If business was interested in desktop UNIX, they could do it with GNU/Linux, FreeBSD (ahem), IBM, Sun, Novell (SuSE), Redhat or many IT-centered companies. What exactly would OSX bring to desktop unix that is comepelling when compared to Windows*, or not done better by more experiencd enterprise-UNIX firms?
Clearly enterprises are, and have been, seeing the value in a Windows centric IT system, and continue to in the face of constant and persistent a UNIX-desktop alternative.
*which are none. - b3mus3d, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5can't you just wipe the hd yourself? is it really that much effort?
and if it's paying for an OS you don't need that bothers you so much, dell is selling ubuntu PCs soon. - DigitalDud, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Oh sure I'd get a Macbook too if my mommy paid for it. Unfortunately I cannot justify paying that much for a laptop.
- YuriSakazaki, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8I'm actually being stupid myself, since you're right. Since that's Hardware that will run Windows (and most likely does, with boot camp), this does nothing but help Redmond.
Apple stopped trying to compete with MS long ago, they're trying to go toe to toe with Dell now. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -7/+11isnt it amazing that such a piswick percentage of marketshare is so coveted.
wouldnt a more apt header be "microsoft gets nearly 90% of US notebook sales in march"
simple example:
all the time, we see stats like..."iPod gains 75% of mp3 player market"
but if we follow the trend set by this digg heading, then what we should be reading is:
"zune gains nearly 1% of mp3 player market"
full disclosure...i use OSX AND Vista for my visual effects editing - Buckeye70, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8What a failure Toshiba is with only 26.2% of the market.
- kolop1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5So...I guess the other 90% bought a Windows laptop. I thought Apple was gaining so much ground.
- swavalier711, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8I wonder why about 1 out of every 3 laptops I see on campuses are Powerbooks? It FEELS like a lot more, but overall stats don't lie.
(typing from a PC that has never crashed or had a virus in the year ive had it) - rickcarson, on 10/11/2007, -9/+13"If this is suffering, I don't want to know what you call Windows..."
Vista: the Ow starts now! - Darcy, on 10/11/2007, -7/+10Congratulations to Apple. Allowing their hardware to run Windows was a great idea, it's given mac book sales a huge boost. I know about a dozen people (including myself) who have bought mac book pros over the last year to run Vista, these are sales that certainly wouldn't have been made without Parallels or Boot camp. Personally I love Apples hardware, I'm just not too keen on their software (please don't hate me).
- thermus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3And pay more, right? The crapware that is installed on these machines helps defray the cost. Is it necessary to have 3 versions of anti-virus software and 12 trial versions of God knows what? No...but these companies paid to get it on there, and it's dependent on the OS which happens to be Windows. Along with other reasons, Mac users pay a little bit more to not have that experience.
- Axfire, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6When did one month's sales percentage equal market share? Apple does not have 10% market share (yet). 10% of all the laptops sold in March is pretty good, but unless they do the same or better every month from now on, it's not going to impact their total market share very much.
- wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6because young adults on a campus environment care about fashion?
- vagrantwade, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5"As someone who has to support various systems, I would much rather troubleshoot an issue with a Mac than a Vista based PC. There are seemingly far fewer problems and quirks with OSX based systems than Vista ones."
Well after this many versions of OSX, I would certainly hope it is more stable. Plus OSX users are too busy designing unicorn wallpapers and making videos for newgrounds to actually find vulnerabilities in the software. - curtisdead, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4the whole mac vs. pc playground antics remind me of those bumperstickers on gun-rack toting Ford pickups where Calvin is pissing on a Chevrolet logo...
- vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3@cheesefan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viri
"To complicate matters further, viri is already used in Latin as the plural of vir, meaning "man" (thus making viri mean "men")[1]."
My high school Latin is not what it used to be, but virus means toxin where as vir means man. Which is why we have similar words that mean different things
like virulent and virtuous. So viruses would appear to be better since it isn't being used... Although who uses Latin these days? - flag564, on 10/11/2007, -14/+17Youre right.
It works like this.
If an Apple product leads a product category, like the iPod, and competing device's market share is seen as proof that it is inferior e.g. Zune. Any gain in share by any competing device is met with suspicion and cries of manipulation of the numbers.
If an Apple product does not lead, then low market share is seen as an indication of a quality product and that its users have sophisticated taste. Any small gain in share is seen as front page news and proof that all those other companies are failing because their product is "garbage" even though the ratio is still something like 91 to 9 PC to Mac. - testdrivemedia, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3And the other 90% probably had Vista pre-installed.
- trigeek, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3In other news....
Just-released data from NPD Group, which omits manufacturers like Apple who only like to sell direct, showed that
Apple in March saw continued erosion of its share of the retail segment at the hands of rival SanDisk. This now puts Sandisk at a little over 36% of the digital media player space, Rounding out the top five digital media player retail vendors for the month of March was Creative with a 3.6 percent share (up from 2.7 percent in February), Microsoft with a 2.5 percent share (no change), and Samsung with a 2.2 percent share (down from 2.5 percent in February).
/sarcastic mode off - toxicityj, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"As long as Apple doesn't have to deal with OEM licensing, commodity hardware, and a large corporate user base, OS X will not become like Windows. OS X is a consumer OS based on unix, free to evolve rapidly, while Windows is a bastard hybrid of a consumer and corporate OS, which must ensure backwards compatibility whenever possible to keep their business customers happy, while giving shiny new features to consumers every few years."
yeah you're right. shame on Windows for being used by multiple computer manufacturers (which btw, means lower/multiple choices for prices). Shame on Windows for having a larger corporate user base. shame on them for making sure everything from older OS's work on new ones. and shame on them for accomplishing what Apple can't. -
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