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- inturnaround, on 10/12/2007, -11/+73Stop it with these damn speculative headlines about things being confirmed when they're not and thinking a question mark at the end makes it okay. Confirmation means that someone from Apple says they're going ahead with such a product. Until then, it's NOT confirmed. We'll know when the product is confirmed because Apple will say so. Until then, it's not confirmed.
- superbaka, on 10/12/2007, -4/+46Digg Users Are Cranky: Confirmed!
- flickerbrain, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Like Jon Stewart pointed out. You can state anything as fact as long as it's followed by a question mark (?)
- dayquil, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21This is 100% right.
I am a big fan of the digg concept - I think when the power is left to the people, the cream *can* rise to the top. But the worst thing about digg is the irresponsible behavior of its users.
Think about it this way when you post: for a brief moment, *you* are a journalist. And *you* should consider yourself and your actions subject to responsibilities of journalistic integrity. Because that is a fact - you are in a way reporting the news. You have an opportunity to take fact or fiction and give it your own spin. If you think you're really boiling down the point, have at it - we can all use the time savings. But as inturnaround says, adding a question mark at the end does not make wild speculation any more 'ok'. And that's what this headline does - cooks an article which is questionably fact-based into a sentence making claims that the article did not. The use of "confirmed" in this headline, question mark or not, is horribly irresponsible and misleading. The blind leading the blind? Confirmed!
In short, let digg do its job. If the material is good, let the public draw the conclusions and it will be well-received. - johnmalc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Confirmed: Not confirmed.
- flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Dont they already have a contract with them with the ROKR?
- AssProphet, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"Apple is said to have forged a deal..."
"is said" sounds more like journalism than "I wish" - samadam, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Shhh! Don't state the obvious like that! It will get you in trouble, from the looks of it.
- AssProphet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Have you used a phone lately? Almost all of them have a terrible user interface and they are buggy as hell. The cell market needs to be shaken up, and who better to do it than Apple. They've got what it takes to be a real competitor. Great hardware manufacturing background (no thank you nokia, nec, motorola, etc...) and expert user interface design.
I think they will make a major impact, or at least I believe they are entirely capable. - Tenlow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ki2GWdOIYxw
- AssProphet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Where do you get off saying it's one less iPod they sell?
Now I'm not arguing that the evidence is all sound, but I have to tell you, if you think they aren't making one, just because it might compete with the ipod, you are a fool. Many people who already have ipods are certainly in the market for a cellphone that doesn't suck. Apple has gained their confidence with one handheld product. Why not try another? - deepdigging, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7The relevant bit of potential new information in this article is this sentence:
"Apple is said to have forged a deal with U.S. mobile carrier Cingular".
Who is doing the saying? This is maybe even worse than saying "our well informed insider source at Apple tells us ...".
And of course that gets translated into a Digg headline like this one. Not only is this no confirmation of the iPhone. It is just a rumor that Apple and Cingular might have signed something. Or not. - davidod87, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And AppleInsider has the exact opposite report: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=2191
- ThinkBox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ lane.montgomery
I modded you up after reading your comment about the shuffle - I was thinking you were going to make the point that people complained that there wasn't a market for it, and it wasn't right.
It completely dominated a lot of the market. But then you said a bunch of stupid ***** about the phone being like the newton, which is apples and oranges. - laserman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4no kidding. the problem with the iPhone concept is not the technology. it's the fact that cell phones are heavily subsidized by 2-year contracts by phone companies with crappy customer service. apple has to protect the brand, and the upside of an iphone might not be that great as long as ipods are flying out the door.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why would you buy a non-GSM phone? You can't use it anywhere outside the United States.
- cleverboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm a little frightened. I think people are going to lose their minds if another story breaks about the iPhone with no hard evidence. I mean... LOSE THEIR MINDS. We're at a tipping point here. It's like someone keeps delaying Christmas, while others don't even care if Santa Claus exists...
- danakin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4So Cingular will offer a phone equipped with iTunes. No iPhone confirmation here.
- ForbesBingley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"I am a big fan of the digg concept - I think when the power is left to the people, the cream *can* rise to the top."
Don't forget: ***** floats, too... - kenstone, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4If this Apple thing were true, it would be in direct conflict with the upcoming deal Cingular appears to have with the whole PlaysForSure crowd:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116235098734609822.html
I'll trust the WSJ more than a blog. - laserman, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7yes. no news here. misleading headline. marked as inaccurate.
aside: stephen colbert does as great piece on how a new station (fox, cnn) can post the most ridiculous headlines, as long as they are followed by a question mark. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Confirmed: Another digg headline written by a 10 year old.
- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Dont they already have a contract with them with the ROKR?"
You mean with the iTunes software Motorola is no longer using? - panique, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If I can't have an iPhone on Verizon (or an Apple MVNO network on Verizon's network), I won't be having an iPhone. And the thing better have a decent radio too. I can't believe how many fewer calls I have dropped with my RAZR compared to my old pocket brick (aka Treo 650).
- mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2mine doesnt?
- clintonintern, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I hope the Apple phone has all the style and none of the price of the $1000 Bang and Olufsen phone I saw on the NY Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/26/technology/26pogue.html?ref=technology - Artifez, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Talk about dry humping a rumor. When they're going to make an iPhone they'll announce it. Let it go for christ's sake.
- trylleklovn, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Pst!! I heard an apple developer sneeze a bit like a ringtone... ZOMG!
- undersky, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8OMG I am ***** sick/tired of these articles that are long, well written, and AMAZINGLY VOID OF ANYTHING, ANYTHING, A N Y T H I N G that has not been heard 100+ times. It's making me sick, literally.
- bluflame, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I was hoping for a cool phone to replace my old prepaid junk, and I was hoping that Apple would go with a carrier that would know something about phones. Or just sell out to all providers, such as with the omnipresent RAZR. Or we switch to how things are done in Europe.
- undersky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1that's why ppl speculate that Apple will use the "loan/pseudo network model" in which they operate very much like Disney wireless or Virgin. Or they could just sell phones purely without bundling w/ carriers, similar to Nokia stores or celluloco.com (sell never-locked-phone directly)
- ibeetle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is soooooo innacurate
Computerworld headline: Cingular sides with Microsoft against Apple
http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/3867
Endaget headline: Cingular teaming with Napster and Yahoo to roll its own music service?
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/01/cingular-teaming-with-napster-and-yahoo-to-roll-its-own-music-se/
Reuters headline: Cingular Wireless plans to launch a music service with Napster Inc.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-11-01T064327Z_01_BNG306886_RTRIDST_0_PRESS-DIGEST-WALL-STREET-JOURNAL-NOV-1.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna - undersky, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1it could just refer to the iTune phone that cingular carried previously.
- kspen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I agree with Meski
Apple could make a touch full screen iPod, and it would be a better iPod, just that it wouldn't blow everything out of the water, and may get competition from the Zune.
Apple could make the iPhone and it would likely be better than other phones, but it wouldn't blow everything out of the water either......and there are the PDA functions that are likely to be included.
If Apple made one device that does both, and does each very well, the iPhone/iPod would blow each segment away-good bye Zune and Goodbye ROKR. The decrease in cannibalized iPod sales would be overcome by the impact the device would have.
The thought of carrying only 1 device is compelling. - hexydes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1FINALLY, a story about the Apple iPhone.
Also, from the article:
"Interest in the iPhone project has been rekindled..."
Yes, because interest had so obviously started to wane up until this point... - wheelsee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1so because they sell a product that allows works with plays for sure...means that they won't also use iTunes or have an iPhone?
thats like saying Cingular launched with the first blackberry so they wont sell treos? - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The new ROKRs are not using iTunes, opting for Real. The deal was announced last week.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Read the news , clown. They announced a deal with services using Microsoft`s plays for sure services(such as Yahoo unlimited) as well as non-DRM services like E-music.
- PeopleGeek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cingular announced it is opening a music service of it's own. That does not sound like something Apple would like to get too close to. I think this article is wrong.
The PeopleGeek - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1only problem is cingular doesnt offer a decent enough data transfer to get over the air mp3z, they dont even have any on the site (which is tied to your cingular cell phone ALOT) Instead they use those stupid "voice tones" If cingular were to get an iphone, i dont see how users would get any music or content? On my new W810i i cant even set mp3z as ring tones, because cingular has it setup that way to screw you into buying their voice tones, only way around it is use aduacity cut out 27 to 40 seconds of a song, and convert it to less than 128 kbs, like 112, then you can select it as a ring tone.
I love the phone, love cingulars call coverage, but hate most everything else about them, They are really not "getting with the program" that people like high speed data trasfer and over the air music - lepton, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Told ya! Check out http:www.digg.com/Apple/What_Apple_s_iPhone_Will_Be to see what the iPhone will be.
- macniatic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Inaccurate article. Apple have not announced any "Internet TV".
- Lynxpro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1
Can Apple not get over their fetish for Cingular? Cingular is not the only GSM carrier here in the States. T-Mobile does GSM, and I'd say most of its customer base is made up of people like me who totally h8 Cingular and all the BS that that company inflicts on its subscribers.
Don't do a damn exclusive contract with Cingular...sheesh. - lane.montgomery, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2That is the same argument people threw around when there was speculation about the iPod Shuffle before it came out.
The current market structure is that the carriers sell you the phone. There are a few exceptions, but they don't make up enough sales to talk about here.
The iPhone reeks too much of the Newton, and Apple is not going to make a stupid mistake and end up with another Newton on their hands. So I believe they will sell their product through the carriers just like everyone else. I have heard that Apple is making deals with both Cingular and T-Mobile. Maybe Cingular gets first crack at it because of their pre-existing agreements, I don't know. But I highly doubt Apple will sell this thing without directly associating a carrier with them. - laserman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3yes, it was the daily show. my bad
- flamingmb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3actually that was the daily show.
- expatasia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm a huge Apple/Mac/iPod/i___ fan but please stop the overuse of question marks to prove a point (digg title)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnXmCh-8QSw
I see this happening way too much on Digg nowadays. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I have to disagree with your 'business' sense. Why not make a fully functional iPod into a device with phone capabilities and then charge more for it? Then every device sold will add to Apple's revenue what an iPod would have and then some. You sir need to stay out of the business world... you do not create any sort of inferior or counter product to your own; make your product better and charge more for the advancements (i.e. kill two birds with one stone).
- dragazis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Everyone just make a deep sigh and let it go. Just think, what would Mr. Rogers do?
- Drizzit, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Sucks that Apple limited themselves to GSM networks. They just screwed over more than half of the users in the US.
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