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- nixonrichard, on 10/12/2007, -18/+238I agree, those free cell phones ARE worthless. All they can do is make calls, store contacts, and play cheap little games. You can't even play music on them, surf the Internet, or edit your thesis. What good is a phone if you can't install an "order pizza" widget on it? The worst part about them is they last forever. You could be stuck with one for 5 years before you drop it in water and get the opportunity to buy a new phone. Nice expensive phones like iPhone, on the other hand, give you the opportunity to buy the latest version (or color) when you sit down and the screen cracks because it was tilted funny in your front pocket.
- aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -7/+63I had a $50 cell phone. It had a crappy LCD backlit display, had a choice of 5 ringtones, and played 2 crappy games. The battery lasted for 3 days unless you were talking all of the time, it charged to full capacity in an hour, it was very small and lightweight, and the reception was crystal clear. The only reason I had to get rid of it was because it stopped reading my SIM card.
I miss my worthless phone. - negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -6/+61nokia 6030 is $30 from cingular.... indestructible, great reception, and NO CONTRACT. that's the go phone price.
already regretting a $400 phone that drops calls left and right. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36Who the ***** uses cell phones anyway. I have an aboriginal bolo whip for communication and a ball-in-a-cup for entertainment.
- ChumpChief, on 10/12/2007, -12/+44You know, I try really hard to like Apple, or at least feel neutral about them, but this is ridiculous.
To me, they're implying two things here that are really insulting/stuck up.
1. "Although we have ZERO experience in the cell phone market, we know better how to make cell phones than anyone else. All existing phones are garbage because they are not the iPhone."
--While they may come out with the best phone the world has ever seen, it would be much more prudent of them to at least wait until it's released before talking trash about other phones. If they aren't received as well as Apple hopes, this stance will start to look pretty stupid. This is not an easy market to enter and getting off the ground will take a lot of work on their part.
2. "Consumers are just begging to spend a huge sum of money on our products. In fact, a high price tag is a privilege."
--A high cost to consumers is a positive thing for Apple, not for the consumer. While it's a common fallacy that higher price = higher quality, $600 is high enough that consumers will research the phone before breaking the bank. Common sense indicates that the consumer will go for the cheapest phone that meets their needs.
So please Apple, just make a great product and release it for the appropriate price, whatever that may be. Trash talking won't convince people to buy your phone, quality will. - spoonard, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35Uh oh! Has the Apple marketing team been talking to the Sony marketing team?
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -4/+34i don't get it, how does that make people pay 600$ again?
- NewChar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29I think most people hate their phone bills/contracts, not their phone itself.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Please. Most people I know use their mobile phones as, well, phones. Why would they need anything else?
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20Oh please, the RAZRs launch price was $500 as the iPhone's entry price (that _everyone_ overlooks). The price dropped precipitously as Motorola made back their original investment and people like Cingular started slashing at the prices to get them in the hands of people who wanted them (and more importantly, get them to sign a contract with Cingular, which is where the real money has always been made).
- aliengoods, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27$150?? Sure, call me in 5 years when that is a reality. But wait, by then there will be much better phones on the market anyway. And to be quite honest, from the specs I've read on the iPhone, there already are.
- Langford, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Maybe I'm alone in this, but all I want a phone to do is make and receive calls. Voice mail bugs me, I'm not interested texting, and I have no interest in loading one up with music. I'm especially not interested in spending a lot of money on a phone.
- SnuKs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Most people just want to make a simple phone call on a phone. Some want to take pics, listen to music, surf the web, AIM, directions, ect.. on their phone. It's all about preference.
At the end of the day though Free > $600 - negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -6/+24free phones usually get better reception and longer battery life than the 'nice' phones. especially since they usually ignore 3G signal which are great for draining your battery life four times as fast as a non-3g signal.
check out the talk time and standby time on a 3g phone vs a non-3g if you don't believe me...enjoy the 2hr max talk time on the iphone :) - halik, on 10/12/2007, -5/+21Yeah i miss the logic in that statement also.
People like to pay $0 for cellphones, because they see it as disposable commodity. Therefore they will pay $600 for iphone. Huh? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17In the UK most phones are free on contract and they're all relatively good phones.
- Ub3rg33k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Odd reasoning considering most non-technophiles I know ALWAYS go for the free or drastically reduced priced phones when activating/renewing their cell phone plan.
- DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+133g tends to drain your battery if you're in a suburban or rural area since those places typically arent built out with 3g towers. So, your phone spends a good chunk of it's battery life repeatedly checking to see if it can find 3g.
- nickj6282, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Ha. I used to get whatever freebie Nokia the cell phone company was pushing at the time, but last year I decided to spend a bit and spent $150 (with contract) on a Motorola SLVR. Damn thing has broken more times that I can count. I've replaced it twice with insurance and no less than ten under warranty. Whenever I have to wait for a replacement, I stick my SIM card into one of my old freebie Nokias (which still work just dandy) and I'm golden. Seriously, one of those Nokias is like 4 or 5 years old now and still works like new. It doesn't look like much anymore, but it works fantastic.
That sweet SLVR with it's MP3 ringtones, iTunes, and Yahoo Messenger is great, but if I can't make a call then all that other ***** is worthless. - sundancekid503, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13Exactly what I was thinking. I'll know it's true if Apple starts telling me that the iPhone is smarter than me.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Yeah, my biggest concern would be battery life. I'd hate it if an important call got cut off because I'd been draining the battery listening to mp3s all day long.
An mp3 player that could receive a signal from your phone that a call is incoming and give you a little heads up so you could pause and switch devices would be cool. Plus, it keeps the power sources separate. - danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Until someone else comes out with a multi-touch phone you simply can not say that there phones that do the exact same thing already on the market. This phones success will ultimately depend only on one thing how easy is it to use and navigate. If multi-touch is the revolution Apple thinks it is then it will succeed. If it is simply as you claim a tricycle to the already existing bicycles then it will flop. Which means any comparison of the phone prior to getting it in your hands and using it is pointless, because you don't know anything about the main feature.
- negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10hey, my birthday gillette mach 3 WAS a free razor blade. back off!
- ahhell, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Exactly. It's pompous ***** like that that stops me from being a customer.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9"The keyboard will be integrated into the display and no need for a slider."
A touch screen keyboard, no matter how good, by definition can never be as good as a physical keyboard. No tactile feedback, likely difficult to read in direct sunlight, unable to dial/type without looking at the screen, covers the screen when you're typing, etc.. It will be good enough for many people, but it's been tried a million times and it's just not as good as the real thing.
"All other phones, even "smart phones" only include a WML browser."
This is patently false. While Flash, Java, and Javascript aren't handled by many mobile browsers, most fully support HTML.
"attach a photo of the traffic jam you're in and attaching it to an email in gmail and sending it to the people in your meeting who are eating all the donuts to show them why you are late and asking them to save you a jelly filled."
Imagine being able to change the time of the meeting on your smart phone and having the calendars of the other attendees updated wirelessly and instantly so that they never show up without you in the first place. Exchange server integration is a wonderful thing.
"And has anyone ever considered the fact that the iPhone has Apple Widgets? "
They are not the same as OS X Widgets. All apps will have to be approved by Apple, which almost guarantees a limited number of applications, and some will likely never see the light of day (Sling player, Skype, etc.)
"As far as 2yr contracts go... who even said there would be a 2yr contract with the iPhone?"
Steve Jobs
"It will be a cold day in hell that Verizon allows people to wirelessly transfer files from their cell to their computer without paying for it. "
I do it all the time with my WM5 Verizon phone. They don't cripple their smart phones like they do their standard phones. I also wirelessly stream video from my home computer and Slingbox, make VOIP calls, and more.
"So maybe instead of ranting and whining about something you aren't qualified to give an opinion about, why not have an open mind?...So hey all you ranters, why not wait until it is released and make same informed comments then."
Pot, meet kettle.
"I'm sorry that most of the people here are not professionals and can not afford the $600.00 price point"
If only we could all be as rich as you. It couldn't possibly be that we have other priorities to spend our money on. - DiggsOnlyNeoCon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8No, actually free phones are free because the carrier is absorbing the cost.
- AxeSwinger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I use my phones for calling but I also use it as an electronic memory. If I'm browsing books I'll snap pictures of books I want to buy. Need to remember what to get at the grocery store I just look at the pirctures of empty containers I took. Want to grab that bottle of merlot I liked well you get the idea. In additon being able to access gmail has helped me on many occasions. If I want to remember a meeting take shot of the business card and name it the date and time of the meeting.
The funny thing is I rarely use my camera for taking pictures of people the quality suck but since I figure my wetware memory is vga it's great for instant access.
Well it's a system that works for me. - JerodSlay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8So we're reduced to deciding between free cell phones and $600 cell phones? That argument doesn't make sense. Yeah free cell phones are crap. That's why I buy a $200 cell phone.
Free cell phones are crap, and $600 cell phones are too much. Any cell phone makers want to take the middle ground. I can hear it now.
"we think our phone will sell because free cell phones are crap, and $600 cell phones are too much." There's the winner - rheaume, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Apple's effort to cut an extravagant, useless features from its forthcoming phone doesn't quite mesh with its stated iphone sales strategy; namely, Apple CEO Steve Jobs hope that "consumers [will] think to themselves, 'I will work more hours to buy one'."
- negativefx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7400 anytimes? better hope all your friends are on sprint as well.....
- demonotaku, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I got my phone for free. And it works fine. It has a camera and tons of features. I've dropped it on the ground tons of times. Hell, I even dropped it in a toilet and it still works (had to dry out for a while but it works.) This sounds to me like typical Apple *****.
- Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8That's what the "explode with fire" feature on the battery is for.
- MOGua, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Plenty of phones can do all that and more already.
Besides, I am pretty sure I won't be able to watch my Slingbox on the iPhone. Third party apps FTW. - undersky, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6While it is true for most phones, but not all of them. I paid $350 for my BlackBerry 8800 and it's worth every penny of it. In fact, I will pay for it even if it's $500. As for iPhone, I won't pay for it. I will pay for a $500 Wide Screen Video iPod with 80GB and 5 hours of video viewing though. As for phones, I think BlackBerry does much better until proven otherwise.
- nickj6282, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Amen!
- ChewyBass, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7We seem to be living in a time when bad is converted to good, and good is considered phenominal. I get the feeling that PR from companies is bordering on Think Speak, where they speak and we are suppose to believe it.
- omnivector, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I disagree.. A lot of people hate their phones. The general consensus I've had with most of my friends is most cell phone OSes and UI suck
- tacom8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6uh, only an idiot would think they are getting a phone for "free", it's razor blade marketing at its best...
- sikosmurf, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8"People will buy it because we say they'll buy it"
- ChristianD, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Well, well, well, this sounds a lot like Sony when they where trying to tell everyone people will pay $600 dollars for a PS3 because it was well, a PS3. The iPhone will sell, but it won't sell like apple is trying to convince you it will.
Fact, the iPhone is expensive, like top of the food chain expensive.
Fact, the iphone is an iPod, and some people will buy a new iPod regardless of the price
Fact, the iPhone has a noose (2 year contract - Plus data plan) that comes with the box
Fact $600 is expensive no matter how you cut it, so once the Apple Die Hards get covered, the rich kids, the 19 to 25 year olds that love tech and have $600 sitting around get covered, what do you have left? Answer: the other 5 Billion people on the planet that aren't going to buy it. Also, at that price point you're going to be talking to a lot of knowlegible people when it comes to Cell phones, and when you consider the glaring 3G hole, limited Hard Drive space, and the other 10 to 15 competing products, you have a lupe warm seller by apple standards. - ipodsweatshop, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11A good phone costs about $100 after a rebate (money swallowed by the provider to make the phones cheaper, this is why you have to stay for 2 years). That's about the sweet spot for getting good enough parts in the phone to get better reception than the free phones. At that price they do exactly the same stuff as the free phones, they just do it better. $500 is absurd for a non-smartphone. Apple is gouging people and going to lose big. Also the 2008 3G version assures that any not-rich people are just going to wait it out.
iPhone Rev A = Newton 2.0 - MyDarnSnakeLegs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The iPhone looks super sweet, but I'm not ever going to buy a phone for $500-600.
- ChumpChief, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Keyword: "implying"
I never said they were quotes, I said that was the message I took from them. If you disagree that my points are valid, please feel free to post your own opinions. - spyrochaete, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I heard on a radio program that North Americans, more than any other continent, liked simple phones better than featureful ones. I think the only thing going for the iPhone is the Apple name and iPod correlation. A rose by any other name wouldn't sell.
- n00tz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@negative
I'm still using mine 3 years later... they've made plenty of their money back on me in buying new blades. I quit using an electric after I got that. - mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This article further proves that Apple are smug and arrogant bastards when they have no right to be. $20 says this first iPhone will barely make a dent in mobile phone sales.
Once people sign the Cingular contract and realize they have to pay AT LEAST an additional $20 for Unlimited Data and then try browsing full HTML pages with Flash, Ads and other junk Steve Jobs seems to love over EDGE, they'll throw it in the garbage.
And people keep skipping over the issue with battery life - do you realize this is meant (in Steve Job's ***** up head) to replace your DAAP and mobile phone? So guess what that means....listen to music for a few hours, your mobile phone's battery was depleted at the same time.
I think Cingular contract hoopla, the slow EDGE speed and battery life are going to make the iPhone DOA. - MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Right naio, because calling people "*****" is a great way to get there attention and show you have an opinion that matters.
I won't buy this version of an iPhone because it has no features that interest me. I don't need to play MP3s and movies on a phone and this thing is the size of a brick compared to other "free" phones. Do I like my current cell phone? Not really as its menus are counter-intuitive and just trying to get messages is a pain. Even navigating through my address book is a PITA. Do I hate it enough to spen 500-600 bucks? Nope. I don't know what Tim is smoking, but he obviously isn't sharing it around enough to make me buy an iPhone.
Put the same form factor in a next-gen iPod with 30-80 gigs of storage and I'm there. iPhone? iDon't think so. - GnKnight1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@geminitojanus
Oopps! Sorry. The iPhone prices are $499 and $599. My bad. $100 more than original iPod prices. - WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4then you are not a true fanboy...
- Chupatumama, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I switched to those cheapo Nokia Virgin phones because I keep losing stuff.
I lost 2 phones these past two years and it cost me 45$Canadian when I got a new Nokia for Xmas.
Battery lasts about a week, I hear very well and it does all the things i need it to do.
The biggest difference is I dont get the cold sweats like I used to everytime my Ericssen was not around me.
That said, Cook is a moron...actually no, he's a liar.
Wait, I meant its called marketing: he's a liar addressing morons. -
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