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- Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18im 99% sure the percent sign goes after the number
- numptydumpty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17minority report here we come!
- hybrid8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12final cut and multitouch, DAMN!
- op12, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10This comment makes no sense. Yes, the current interface was designed for a mouse and keyboard, but what's to say that the interface that's to come isn't designed for this new kind of input? It's not like they can't change the interface. And it makes sense too, because it's more intuitive to be able to grab a picture by it's corners and expand it or spin it around than it is to do the same thing with a mouse and keyboard.
Just like the virtual clickwheel, the future is in input devices that appear and disappear as you need them. It doesn't make sense for them to take up physical space as they do now. - TimDigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Yes you're referring to the Jeff Han video....
He worked with apple on the iphone... - wilhoitm, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10What the hell are you talking about! Multi-Touch display are in just about every science fiction movie since 1977 when Star Wars came out! Mark my words, this is very significant especially if they can get the cost and price down so that almost everyone can afford it!
- gr8one, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Anyone who doesn't believe that Apple already has working prototypes of iPhone-esque full-size displays in their labs is fooling themselves. This technology will be in an iMac style computer within a year and a half, you can write it down.
- Chairboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I've posted this speculation about Apple a few times in the last month or so since the iPhone announcement. I'm guessing that by this time next year, every apple device with an LCD display will have multitouch. It'll be a standard feature, and it'll just have it. It doesn't mean you'll be forced to use it, no more than you're forced to use the speakers or usb hubs that are increasingly built into monitors.
But by making it a standard feature, Apple can potentially force the rest of the PC industry into catch-up mode. Just because you or I don't think we'd have any use for it ("goddamnit, I want my monitor on a stand where it belongs, and I ain't touchin' it with my dang ol fried chicken greasy fingers!") doesn't mean that it won't become incredibly popular. It's all about disruptive technologies. If you provide customers with what they tell you they want, you'll never make an evolutionary leap. Customers didn't want 3.5" hard drives in the beginning that were initially more expensive and lower capacity than 5.25" drives, but they sure were happy they had 'em a couple years later when the benefits were clear. Nobody wanted hydraulic earth movers in the beginning when the cable operated ones were cheaper and stronger, but not a single cable-operated steam shovel company survived the move to hydraulics because by the time they realized that's where the market was going, it was too late.
If Apple makes multi-touch (or even just touch) a normal, standard feature in their monitors and it's integrally supported by the operating system, then they have the potential of swinging the entire market on its ear. Maybe you or I don't "get it" right now, but between now and the future, someone will, and they'll figure out how it changes everything.
This type of innovation is a risk, and it might flop... but then again, it might be the smartest goddamn thing a computer company did since some guy at Cern asked "I wonder if anyone would want to try hypertext over the network on some sort of world wide webbish thing..." - PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Funny story, I just gave you a thumbs down.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjS0Z7TnT3U
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5JcSu7h-I40 - Scrappy1850, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7molesting? use your fingers! makes me wonder how you really eat burritos
- r©ain, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@OrlyonokEaglet : how is your comment in anyway meaningfull?
Just another snide diggtard.
Have you ever DJ'd? No... DJing your 12yr old brothers icecream social with your iPod doesn't count.
I'm talking about mixing, it takes 2 hands, and even then, two hands can seem like not enough.
There are plenty of industrial applications for a multitouch display that the average digg user can't even comprehend because they are unable to step out of their shells and consider what else is going on in the world around them and what other people besides themselves may need.
Just come up with a scenario where the operator would be better off with two hands at the controls than just one finger hitting a button.
Imagine a multitouch control panel for airplanes. You ever see the huge array of interfaces on a plane?
What if we could put all those controls directly infront of a pilot?
How about the Operating Theatre?
What if they could put up a single interactive display that could allow for all the equiptment to be displayed and interacted with on one UI or at least fewer UIs? Maybe that could save a life... maybe your life.
What about a building directory that several people could use at once?
Looking up corporate employees and messaging them from the lobby, seeing interactive floor plans and being able to access integrated services like google maps/local to find restaurants and locations near them?
You speak of the current single point of input keyboard and mouse scenario like it's the "civilized" way and multitouch like some mongrel eating with their hands.
It just shows what a non-intellect you are.
You can't comprehend the future because you're barely even here right now. - Altotus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Burrito Resistant Displays" would thus be the next logical step in the product's evolution. Soda Resistant keyboards have been around for a while. Personally, I can't wait until someone develops a Whipped Cream Resistant mouse -- then we're talkin' -- Ooo, yeah!
- MrKite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I really don't want to touch a display that 20+ other people touched that day. Some people don't wash their hands after culling the boogers out of their nose. I know that I do.
- betasp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I work with touch screens everyday and have gotten quite used to them. I have poked my laptop and desktop LCD many, many times with my finger expecting it to do something. Just like a mouse, once you get used to it you find it very efficient for navigating screens and surfing the web... oh, and my arm has never gotten tired.
- answr42, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I cant wait to see one of those translucent OLED displays with a multi-touch overlay... then you can truly have that Minority Report effect!
- grouchyman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4There's no way in hell I'd be interested in a Minority Report type of display. My arms get tired writing on a whiteboard so I can imagine how tiring it could get working on a touch display all day. Then again, I would grow some sweet 24 inch pythons... so whatcha gonna do!
- hybrid8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4no one cares
- blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Yes but if you get sexually excited you might end up licking the screen. Unlike the keyboard.
- Hawaiianteg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2At least playing Warcraft now will be considered a workout :D
- pcharles23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2there is going to be 2 products a Tablet Computer Product with Multi touch and a Wired Tablet Display /w doc so the people using touch like controls can have it lay on the desk for actuation of virtual controls.
- mutatron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I like working offscreen with my Wacom pad. That would suck having to hold my arm up to draw on screen all the time. Plus it probably isn't too good for the screen. But with an iPhone or other small device it would have some advantages. Some people say the desktop is dead, but people still have desks even when everyone is using portable devices. No matter what, it's always going to suck if you have to hold your arm up to do stuff on a screen all the time.
- vcleniuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All new Apple Cinema Displays and laptops come with 1 bucket, cleaning solution, a squeegee and towel.
- EelfinnTy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It wasn't Jeff Han it was these guys.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/22/some-iphone-touchscreen-roots-splained-by-fingerworks-inventors/
they use a different technology. - OrlyonokEaglet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It would make more sense if the display was your whole desk surface (can be slightly tilted) not a vertical monitor.
Oh and the next step are: VR glasses and hand sensors. - hyperden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Large touch screen monitors would not come out for at least another year or two after the iphone. Unless Apple brings out a touch screen now with a Pen for drawing that would compete with people like Wacom.
- zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ooh good, now sticky finger prints all over the screen when I'm eating candyfloss
- ozziek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Sometimes user interfaces evolve. When they do, Apple is typically the company that does it. Don't be afraid to think different(ly)."
I don't believe Apple invented Multi-touch, they've taken or licensed the concept from Jeff Han and his team. Their multi-touch vids were around way before the iPhone. - N1XUK, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Multitouch widescreen displays with built in isight and swivel stand.... yup makes sense for a POS unit or a work unit for photgraphers/artists. I just hope they make the isights on all products be able to swivel and point away from the user. Discontinuing the external isight was very very stupid
- jeffko387, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"so for now we'll file this one under "wild speculation." when exactly does a rumor qualify as news.
- nsjoker, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Eh no thanks, I don't wanna be eating a burrito and have to get my screen dirty with sour cream and fire sauce. This seems stupid like the "Desktop on steroids" article. Not to mention it seems creepy molesting your monitor to resize a picture or something :/
- DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6You may remember that, once upon a time, computers were designed with massive proprietary input terminals. Then, they mostly started using QWERTY keyboards and users interfaced through a command line environment. Then, Apple invented graphics and people could now see pictures on their computers. Then Xerox invented the mouse, and sold it to Apple which meant command line was no longer necessary nor the norm. Now, things are controlled by a free roaming cursor and interactive images.
Sometimes user interfaces evolve. When they do, Apple is typically the company that does it. Don't be afraid to think different(ly). - Radan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I want my Multi Touch MacBook Pro now!
- KJSatz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would roll for a convertable tablet Macbook with a multitouch display.
- chaimpot0k, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Not trying to "hate" on Apple here but their Cinema displays are already overpriced compared to the exact same Dell panel. Maybe they will implement this into an Apple tablet / the next MacBook
- timzen81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Haha, it's fun to watch these rumors bubble up from a single comment on a blog all the way up to something reputable like engadget - now don't get me wrong it would be cool, but I remain very skeptical
- brutalentropy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Funny, I was just talking about this today at work. I fix mac laptops, and I've been seeing a lot of macbooks with an unidentified port on the left hand side, looks to me like a possible interface for a digitizer.
I even took a picture of it... http://www.flickr.com/photos/brutalentropy/407205055/
Anybody have any other theories for what this might be? - EelfinnTy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@yournamehere
I agree...
The main difficulty for a multitouch keyboard is the lack of feedback on a smooth surface. It is really easy to slide your hand over a little bit, and get lost. I do wonder if they would put the multitouch part in the screen or if it would be something more like this...
http://www.compulenta.ru/images/_MacNTouch.jpg - blackjack75, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You already do. You can scrolll using two fingers on the touchpad. Ok, that's not exactly Minority Report...
- julian02392, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i kinda have a feeling this may be a "top-secret" in Leapord..
- r©ain, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Yes a multitouch display can have many uses. And once again, the insightfull people on Digg are chanting NO.
But why does Apple have to make everything for use only by you?
How about a product that's not for you Mr. Selfstyled-UberTechie Digger?
Maybe your needs are as limited as your thinking?
How about a 106" touchscreen for industrial applications such as a retail kiosk.
A fully interactive kiosk that could support multiple people interacting at once.
... that's an idea I had a few years ago. When I saw the mutitouch demos 2 years ago, it looked like a certain possiblity.
How abut a multitouch in a tabletPC config from Apple? iTablet or something. Allow DJs and artists to work more intuitively with their hands. A highly sensitive multitouch might record the individual hairs on a brush and allow people to create more realistic paintings with real painting tools.
How about medical imaging displays?
Allowing medical professionals to work in a more intuitive manner without as many peripherals might save lives, or at least make work easier.
Don't you drool over that OLED Optimus keyboard by Art Lebedev that still isn't out?
What about a multi-touch keyboard that can be user and application specific?
And of course, the floodgates of handheld and small form factor device development are now wide open.
And just wait till they can make multitouch screens FLEXIBLE.
So yes, an array of product offerings that make use of multitouch as a complement to existing product offerings makes perfect sense. And of course, development of new products yet unseen is certainly a hope as well.
A lot of people can not grasp the fact that multitouch is a new display paradigm, just as important as the advent of the mouse. It takes insight beyond limited use experience and forward thinking intellect to see that.
So please, just because you can't see it, don't start speaking against it. - RadiantBeing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't think you really understand the magnitude of redesigning a mouse/keyboard interface for the fingers. Not to mention the compromises involved. You're just kludging a "new" technology to everything in sight, even applications where it is totally contradictory and inappropriate.
- itomixdotcom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"...unlikely it's not totally impossible..."
I wouldn't not say that the description didn't have nothing that was more than one double negative. Not that it's not confusing. It just isn't not the easiest thing to understand...not. - yournamehere, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1you forgot to take into account the use of such a device over existing methods and the cost of adding it to it.
at least for now people like the tactile feel of key mashing, although a multi touch screen does have it's uses. However, as proven by 3d cards things don't really take off unless they offer something in the entertainment section. As in what happened when 3dfx made the first consumer affordable 3d gaming card, it became widely adopted. Especially with the push of Quake, which was at the time ground breaking.
further, apple doesn't have the market share on the entertainment sector to push something like this, at least not in the computer market. They own with hand held devices but PC's.. not so much. - neave, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5True. And that's not to mention how tired your arms would get after waving them around all the time. Mouse clicks are a lot more 'energy efficient', if you know what I mean.
- julian02392, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0*"top-secret" feature, (rather)*
- buddhabelieves, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think everyone is missing one important possibility for the iPhone....some actual good games for it...the click wheel is very limited in it's input commands. Hopefully Apple will hire some game developers to port some of the old school games to the touch screen and possibly some newer slicker ones as well.
- kaesong, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Ever introduce someone to a computer? They have to learn how to coordinate with a mouse to point to an object on the screen. They have to understand the concept of holding down the mouse keys, clicking down on it, double clicking, etc. It's weird, but there's a learning curve involved. I believe intuitive touchscreen motions will be more productive and introduce more people to computers.
Industry moved towards a mouse with a roller, with 5 buttons, with laser, etc. They're trying to find ways to further interact with the user. PDAs and the like are using touch screens, but frankly, it's not intuitive for a non-tech user. Stylus, or touch finger, the applications for a PDA was designed with the users in mind.
The fact you can motion your way on a screen, directly what you're looking for, and motion to zoom in/out, or position it differently, orientate it, and such will be something fun and productive. To most of us, we've learned how to zoom in a picture, crop and rotate it, but that's because we're familiar where the buttons are or icons are located. Imagine using direct contact on a touch screen to edit your pictures, documents, etc.
I think it's a new look at an old peripheral, and I welcome it. - myshoeshurt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1To integrate the multi-touch display with the standard use of mouse and keyboard would be a very smart move for Apple. The possibilities for desigin utilities such as Photoshop, and Apple's own "Logic" line would be mind-blowing. There have already been rumors floating around that Leopard will have multi-touch functionality built-in, as well as the yet-unnamed successor to "Logic Pro". This would be an incredibly smart direction for Apple to take.
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