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- ch4os1337, on 10/10/2007, -4/+452.8GHz iMac is faster then the slower macs?... Get the ***** out
but did we really need a chart for this? - turpenine, on 10/10/2007, -0/+15its faster than a 4ghz p4. So i would quit bitching.
- epyon180, on 10/10/2007, -7/+21It's a shame that apple decided to leave out better graphics options for both the iMac and the Mac mini.
- lukee, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17Well, nobody's /forcing/ you to run Windows on your Mac, it's simply an option they provide to you.
- richardiscool, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17I wish people would stop ***** bitching about this. The market Apple is targeting the iMac at do not play games. It's aimed at affluent 15-30 year old normal people. Normal people don't play games, but if they do they'll do it on a console.
- manitoba98xp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10As turpenine already said, a Core 2 Duo is quite fast. I despise ignorant people who think that clock speed is the sole measure of performance. Fine, go play on your 3GHz Celeron, for all I care.
- ChileanGoD, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10*THAN*
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10I guess it's time to update my old iMac 233 G3
- tabledesk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9We might as well make sure they aren't slower.
- PlutoPrime, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Considering I used to work for them yes I know about it. But you need to realize we're not talking about a merom to penryn switch here. We're talking about a clock speed bump.
- ThirdPrize, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Amen to that brother.
- mos6507, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I just got the 2ghz mini model and so far I'm happy with its performance. The big benchmark for me is 1080P performance which has been marginal on prior minis. I've only been able to test two quicktime trailers but they play at fullspeed on my 24" Gateway monitor at about 60% CPU. The only time the machine seems to really bog down is when doing a lot of disk-related tasks which is to be expected. I'd be curious to hear other reports from the field.
- pxa270, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5What may be surprising though, is that the new 2.8Ghz iMac is slower (and sometimes a LOT slower) than the old 2.33Ghz iMac in games:
http://www.barefeats.com/imacal.html - meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Don't bother with zybch, he's either a troll or an idiot or a trolling idiot.
- dgblackout, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7well someone needed to do it.
- PlutoPrime, on 10/10/2007, -7/+11I have to support the first poster... I seriously need the 10 seconds of my life posting this and viewing those charts back. They might as well review a 2.33 GHz Core2, 2.4GHz and a 2.8GHz. Honestly if Intel released a faster clock CPU with the same number of cores and it actually went DOWN in performance .. I mean come on... this is so stupid I don't even need to finish this argument. Please mod me down so you dont' waste your life reading this.
- TheNevadaKid, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Here's a real world benchmark for everyone...A few days ago I set up the new 24" iMac for a client. The display is far and away the best I've ever seen. Much more vibrant than my own cinema displays. It was fast, responsive and rendered a 5 minute clip on HDV video with a title, some color correction and 4 simple cross dissolves in less than a minute. It's an obvious step up from its predecessors and does exactly what it was built to do.
The iMac is intended for home and office tasks not high end video production. I'm not sure why people complain the GPU is slow when it doesn't neet a 70 mHz refresh rate with 160 fps. The graphics card is lower power and more efficient at what it's intended to do - render a beautiful image for home users. - Shivetya, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3www.barefeats.com
the new systems (24" hd2600 ATI) are slow slow slow compared to last models 7600gt - Giga, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Because you want one? That's as good an excuse as any.
- Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Considering the choice of gfx cards in the new iMacs, that's (unfortunately) not very surprising :(
And while it *is* supposed to be a hefty machine, it's a bit embarrasing that the (portable) MBP beats the crap out of the (desktop) iMac... - locodude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I'm so hot for a MacMini. I have absolutely no real use for one, I just want it because it looks zexy.
Can somebody please help me find a good excuse to buy one? ;-) - MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2meat,
so you're saying he's multitasking? - Electric_Sheep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Can i ask how much RAM you've put in there? Standard 1GB or the 2GB? I'm thinking of getting the mini once Leopard comes out. Also thinking of upgrading the rubbish slow harddrive with a 2.5 Hitachi 7k60, much faster and might run slightly warmer than the current harddrive apple puts in them, but better for disk-related stuff.
- Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The one thing they *do* do better than the old 7600s is decode HD video... Unfortunately, barring downloaded (or ripped) media, there is no way to get HD content either in or out of the system, which makes it a marginal benefit at best :-/
- Meep3D, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Why are people digging the OP up? He's talking complete bollocks.
- Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Barring the use of hackintoshes, aren't all Mac comparisons Apple-to-Apple by default? ;P
- zeejay, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2You're right. It's not surprising. Why does Apple even continue to use ATI? At similar price points, it always seems like GeForce cards spank ATI at OpenGL - this iMac is case in point.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I've got a 1.6 ghz model, so not sure if this helps. I've tried playing world of warcraft at 1024x768 with all the details turned pretty much off. Framerate is somewhere in the area of 20-25 fps. Playable, but not enjoyable.
- Ashkc88, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It's a good media center, especially with the new Core 2 Duo in it.
- GreatDrok, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Heh, I'm still running a 1.42Ghz G4 Mac mini which I bought when they first appeared. I upgraded it to 1GB and stuck an external firewire 3.5" drive on it and it runs pretty sweet. I wouldn't want to do serious number crunching on it but as a little workstation it isn't bad and I don't intend to upgrade it for another year at least. The performance difference between the internal 2.5" drive and the external firewire drive is something like x4 so I run the entire operating system on there and it feels almost as quick as my MacBook Pro. Of course, it also has the advantage of not having to run Office under emulation so for that it beats the crap out of the MBP.
- richardiscool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's not the *iMac*'s target market.
Oh, btw, I DON'T own a mac. - Tippis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Yes.
http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php
The only game you ever need ;) - JoaoPT, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Media center dude...although the external capture cards defeat the purpose of such minimalist computer...
- Waredgo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Let's face it - most of us expected a chart comparing these Macs to Wintel PC's right?
I was expecting that too and still wish it was one.
I have nothing but respect for the Mac platform - if I see an apples to apples comparison between the two platforms, I'll go with the one that makes more sense for me. - epyon180, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So what your saying is that normal people really don't need a above average graphics card but do need a 2.8 GHz Core 2 Extreme? Even apple says that the new iMac is also aimed towards some of the "Pro" market, and pro users need better graphics than the $100 bare minimum ATI's in the iMac.
- Giga, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"It's an obvious step up from its predecessors"
Except that we don't know how long it would take the older one to render the same clip. And that is absolute bollocks about the GPU, the new ATI cards aren't exactly efficient. They consume less power, but don't exactly do that much with said power. - JoaoPT, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1After building my Media Center out of old parts, I found out that VLC is much more efficient playing HD content than the regular QT player. I scraped QT altogether (not using Mac). There's also a firefox extension that maps players with media on page, so I can use VLC to view files on QT only pages.
It's a Mac,PC & Linux software, give it a try. - richardiscool, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The pro market would be creative users using Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. These aren't hardware accelerated,
- Matteos, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Macs play games!?
- rowlodge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1so there the same or slightly slower mac minis at least in both of today's models, it wasn't necessary to include G4's or pre dual cores.
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1nekt5,
There's about as much a chance of Macs spontaneously exploding than of you posting an intelligent comment of digg. In other words, no chance at all. - Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Exactly.
- mleh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey that's great and all, but will the 2GHz Core 2 Duo mini handle 1080p x264 content?
- GreenAlien, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hmm, lets see. It's small enough to sit on your pillow so you can stroke and kiss it before going to sleep.
- DaleoftheUK, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So a Mac mini and an iMac weren't carved into a bench? lame.
- mos6507, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The faster Minis all come with 1GB of RAM. In addition to the slightly faster clock speed, the 2ghz CPU also has twice the cache of the cheaper model which has to help somewhere, although this doesn't seem to reflect in the generic benchmarks. Getting it when Leopard comes out is a good idea. I had to get one now for back-to-school.
- epyon180, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So what he is saying is that normal people really don't need a above average graphics card but do need a 2.8 GHz Core 2 Extreme? Even apple says that the new iMac is also aimed towards some of the "Pro" market, and pro users need better graphics than the $100 bare minimum ATI's in the iMac.
- cybe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Great little machines, but I believe my Mac Mini (Core Due 1,66Ghz) is crashing due to overheating, it tends to get very hot on the bottom. Have it standing on a big chunk of metal now which seems to help, not sure yet.
- fuzzynyanko, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Usually Apple to PC benchmarks will have either the losing side screaming, or the company screaming about that one benefit over and over and over...
- shieldss, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Hey Apple: how about an option for a dedicated graphics card to support dual monitors in the mini? I don't want to use a 3rd party device that doesn't work 1/2 the time.
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