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Apple's iPhone Outsells All Other Smartphones in July

macrumors.com — The two models of the iPhone on the market sold more than Research in Motion's Blackberry series, the entire Palm portfolio and any individual smartphone model from Motorola, Nokia or Samsung.

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  • bmobile, on 10/10/2007, -17/+87I'm actually a little bit surprised at this. Not the fact that Apple sold so much but the fact that it outsold all of these other established phones with large userbases. As a shareholder, I say: Way to go Apple!
    • ngmcs8203, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13Exactly. And the fact that it outsold all of those, and in addition to tomorrows hyped announcement... this report couldn't have come out at a better time for shareholders. Just another sign that if it takes another dip into the 20's it will be time to reload.
    • RonPaulsiPhone, on 10/10/2007, -21/+16So, a non-smartphone outsold smartphones. Isn't this normal? I'll bet a bunch of other non-smartphones outsold smartphones in July too, who cares?

      The real question is, how many people, looking for a smartphone, bought an iPhone instead?
      • MattAmos, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10I did.
      • Morky, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14Sorry, but how do characterize the iPhone as a non-smartphone?
        • petard, on 10/10/2007, -9/+6Well, it does not have the ability to install your own programs (without hacking) and doesn't do more then a normal phone.
          • CamperBob, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6Sounds like another idiot who will cheerfully talk about the shortcomings of a device he's never actually seen.
          • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2My old Sony Ericsson T637 was capable of having 3rd party Java apps installed and run, had a (unusable) web browser, and some other buzzword-compliant features, yet I wouldn't qualify that as a "smart phone". The new S-E w800 series that now replaces it (which was my alternative should the iPhone prove to be unattractive for some reason - not the case) can do music, maybe videos, can run java apps, and has some kind of lame unusable web browser, but I'd still not consider it a "smart phone". If it's the availability of a full keyboard, or something better than a standard phone keypad, then the iPhone qualifies as well. My point is that the definition of a "smart phone" is not at all clear or useful, so while it's meaningless that the iPhone is compared only to other "smart phones", it's also ridiculous to try to leave iPhones out of the smart phone category.

            My personal definition of a smart phone is something that can run complex desktop-class apps, either 1st party stock apps, or 3rd party, with reasonable performance and usability. While the iPhone might just barely meet this definition, since the APIs aren't documented, and adding software is not supported, it's difficult to argue that the stock apps don't fall into "smart phone" territory. When we see what is possible for 3rd party developers, just from the reverse-engineered APIs people have discovered, it gives me hope that the issues of API documentation and app installation will be addressed, simply by how attractive the platform is for development.
      • super_spyder, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7a $500, or $600 (read more expensive than almost any other phone smart or not) as you put it "Non" smart phone outsold a bunch of far cheaper smart phones
    • Rukaribe, on 10/10/2007, -23/+13These figures are not reliable. They are based off a survey from the internet. The only reliable figures are from the NDP group. The iSuppli company is biased towards Apple products much like the userbase of Digg.

      ***** Apple.
      • directive0, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13And because you HATE apple your bias is somehow moot?
      • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9To just say "***** Apple" s as useless as saying "***** (insert company here)". Other than the fact that you probably don't use Apple products, why do you care? Did Apple or Steve Jobs kill your family or some such?

        BOT: The only numbers to be trusted will come out Oct 1st from ATT and Apple on actual sales. Since they don't comment or use stupid numbers from like product shipped, those will be the numbers to compare to.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -9/+8It's easy to understand when you realize those "userbases" are very poorly served by current offerings. Go to a Palm board and watch them bitch about Treos sometime!! It's no surprise so many users would flee if given a chance, and that new users do not want to entangle themselves with an expensive device that is hard to use when there are better options.
      • ShrimpCrackers, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Perhaps but thats not entirely accurate. If more diggers would read the actual article and the survey results it shows that the entirety of just Samsung's smartphones alone, or just Motorolla's smartphones alone, or HTC's smartphone/pda sales well beats the iPhone in July, (individual corporation and not via individual models). Regardless the iPhone is much more expensive than the competitors since it does not come with discounts or subsidy's and so it still shows that the iPhone its still doing incredibly well even with the higher price. What remains to be seen is if the iPhone can keep up sales for the rest of the year or will it die down.

        I personally guess that at least 1/3rd of anyone who wants the iPhone has gotten it already so I'm guessing sales will taper off later similar to what happens soon after the release of a new apple product. One thing we can be sure of however is a new iPhone already in the works because these are still great numbers for Apple.
        • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1The only thing I would note as far as future demand goes. is that a lot of people seemed to be cautioning to wait for the "next" model so the people that had decided to wait might make for a pretty sustainable number of people per month deciding they don't need to wait after all as word of mouth grows. Not to mention incremental enhancements that Apple will undoubtedly release through updates, which will lead to mid-cycle boost in sales that you don't really see as much with other devices that mostly do not see significant updates.
    • MikeCerm, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8Considering Apple spent more on marketing than perhaps has ever been spent on a product launch, I wouldn't say it was too surprising. Furthermore, since other smart phones had entrenched user-bases, it makes sense that there wouldn't be people running out to buy something that they already had.

      I certainly commend Apple for a successful launch on a fine product, but a real measure of sustainable success will be... sustained success. Now that all of the fanboys have iPhones, will they continue to sell (as iPods have), or will they reach a plateau? Remember, Apple's been around a really long time, but they've only ever had mass-market success with the iPod.

      I personally think that the iPhone will be much more like the Mac than the iPod. It will certainly carve out a comfortable niche in the phone world, but will never dominate the way the iPod has in the DAP market.
      • SenorCardgage74, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6Spent more on marketing?
        I think Ive seen maybe a handful of iPhone ads, and I live in the Bay Area, where that stuff is commonplace.
        On the flipside, I cant tell you how often I saw that damn commercial for whatever phone that was that had Xtina Aguilera's "Candyman" playing in it.
      • obey43, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2spent on marketing... or worked themselves into HUGE publicity.
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I would argue they have also had mass market success in laptop sales (where a wider variety of people have them and they are often on display in public, regardless of what sales figures might seem to be) but also in content distribution, a different effort than iPods even if related. So Apple does have the understanding of how to build both software and hardware that appeals to the masses in a number of ways.
    • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2"Smartphone" is meaningless, and simply insults all of you who gobble it up and regurgitate it to others. This moniker is simply a convenience "category" that's used as an excuse for shoddy offerings or in ***** hype pieces like this. When a phone can't perform the basic functions that any phone should today, vendors and apologists excuse it with, "Well, it's not a 'smartphone.'" But when a phone outsells ONLY this apparently tiny "smartphone" category, it's time to brand it with the term and trumpet the achievement far and wide.

      Anyone who doesn't call this what it is, much less repeat it to others, should be embarrassed.
    • locojones, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Buried as inaccurate. First, who the hell is iSuppli and are they even qualified to conduct statistical sales analyses? Second, read the find print:

      "The two models of the iPhone on the market sold more than Research in Motion's Blackberry series, the entire Palm portfolio and any individual smartphone model from Motorola, Nokia or Samsung."

      Which to me reads: Apple's iPhone didn't sell more units than the combined smartphone offering from Motorola, or Nokia, or Samsung. And notice that HTC isn't even mentioned, which tells me the iPhone did not outsell HTC's offerings, individually or combined, which really are superior anyway.
  • stbrewer, on 10/10/2007, -26/+8Even crazier is their +50% margin on the iPhone.
    • adairnic, on 10/10/2007, -2/+22if you are basing that 50% number on the box of parts analysis done, it is WAY off. Once you start factoring in manufacturing value add, distribution, marketing, advertising... Yes, Apple is profiting from the iPhone, don't get me wrong, but not by the factor you stated.
    • Zap2, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19And of course development...which isn't going to be cheap. This being Apple first smartphone...plus its full touch screen.

      Hardly a 50% margin, after manufacturing value add, distribution, marketing, advertising and development costs
    • gcnaddict, on 10/10/2007, -11/+2Alright then. 25% margin.

      That's being very tight, too. Apple may have done lots of research, but it's nothing that 100$ per iphone sold can't make up for.
      I like how everyone is digging down the guy informing you all of how badly your cult leader is ripping you off and you're taking it in the gut.
      • conturax, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10god forbid a company make a profit on something they are selling... get over it already.
        • gcnaddict, on 10/10/2007, -7/+2I don't care. I'm not the one being ripped off :D
        • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Who's being ripped off?

          The phone is a competitively price product. The fact that Apple is a fierce negotiator in getting component prices down is not an indication of the idea that it is price out of sync relative to its worth.
      • clak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I smell an insecure poor man in the room.
    • hellotyler, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Normal retail markup is 50%...
  • tethead, on 10/10/2007, -24/+9as a shareholder (and fanboy), this is great news! question is, can they keep up the pace?
  • DanteDefiance, on 10/10/2007, -18/+95I love my iPhone. There is a whole lot of iPhone haters out there and I fail to see where the hate stems from. It's a fantastic phone and I would recommend it to anyone.
    • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -33/+11Maybe from the $600 price tag on a phone that barely serves as a communications device (AT&T's fault), doesn't work as an iPod because essentially no headphones fit the headphone jack, and can't replace even the cheapest Palm PDA.
      • monsterofNone, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17all of these are wrong.
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -5/+10It's called a headphone jack adapter man, $10 and any headphone will work with the iPhone.
        • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Or take a knife to your existing (plastic-coated cuff) headphone jacks, and shave off the plastic surrounding the metal connector for about 1/4 inch, and it'll work great...
        • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Isn't it a little sad to make excuses for abominably bad design?

          Yeah, we should have to dick around with not one but TWO adapters on a $600 phone that TOUTS music functionality. Remember, not only do stereo headphones not fit, but phone headsets don't either. And to make matters even worse, the Bluetooth support is MONO.

          So you can pretty much sit on your excuses and spin. Hope you're being paid to shill so pathetically, because otherwise you have even less self respect than it appears.
          • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You are correct that it is bad design. Apple really should make their connector work with standard headphones, and they should support full Bluetooth A2DP. Obviously, my knife workaround for Apple's design shortcoming is less than optimal...
        • locojones, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Shhhh, don't talk about the bad elements of the design, you'll ruin "the experience" for them.
      • kingfoot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1people still use 1/4"?
    • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -12/+81It has nothing to do with the iPhone's price. There's plenty of high end phones that cost more than $500 or $600. The hatred stems from the fact that they've been predicting Apple's death to Apple's user base for so long and the fact that it hasn't come true is upsetting. These same people implied that the iPod was just a fluke and to prove their point they would show us by demonstrating how poorly the iPhone would sell. Now that the iPhone is doing so well, watch as these same people chalk it up to Apple fanaticism rather than it being because Apple sells such a great product.
      • BarleyWind, on 10/10/2007, -12/+1Are they wrong?
        • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4As far as the iPod goes, yes they're wrong. Most people who buy iPods are in fact Windows users. I'd be interested in a breakdown in iPhone sales between Mac and Windows users. I'd bet $100 to someone's favorite charity that more iPhone sales are going to Windows users.
        • Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1^ that is kind of like saying I bet $100 that there are more iPhone owners in the US than anywhere else!

          You need to look at percentages!
      • dansmeek, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3this was an extremely well reasoned, and thought about post. well said
      • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2I couldn't have said it better! Best summary of the lame anti-Apple tribalism campaign I've read in a long time.
    • proghead, on 10/10/2007, -10/+29jealousy. they may not admit it or even know it themselves, but they hate it because they cannot get one.
      • chris8535, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3No, many of us COULD get them, its just that for some $600 + $80x12 dollars is way to much for a phone. And many of us conduct our business on a... i dunno... laptop?
        • Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6and you dont have a plan with any other phone you buy?
          STFU!

          and if you have ever bought a laptop for $600 you know how crappy it is!
    • RonPaulsiPhone, on 10/10/2007, -10/+21Lack of features? What if I need SSH or VNC connectivity from my smartphone to work? What if I want 3G data? What if I just want choices outside the pre-loaded Apple stuff and don't have any desire to hack my phone and void the warranty?
      Also, congrats on the most American response of all time "jealousy." The idea that you're so right, that anyone who doesn't agree must want to be you so bad that they'll take a position against you.
      • fahrvergnuugen, on 10/10/2007, -7/+18"What if I need SSH or VNC connectivity from my smartphone to work?"

        Then don't buy an iPhone. You're obviously not in the audience that Apple targeted with version 1.0.
      • yabos, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Apple typically doesn't do all the features for everyone. 99% of the people buying an iPhone won't need SSH. Really, I can't see anyone wanting to do ssh except if you're a linux admin. And VNC yeah that'd be neat but there's not many people who would even know what that is. Plus it'd be slow on the EDGE anyways.
      • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8If you need to use SSH, you are also technically apt enough to install the current iPhone hacks that allow you to run SSH. Seems like a problem that solved itself. And doing that in no way voids the warranty (you are thinking of hardware based SIM unlocking).

        It doesn't matter if you "want" 3G data, the fact is EDGE is not as bad as people seem to think (perfectly usable for maps for example) and there's always WiFi.
      • zeejay, on 10/10/2007, -2/+199.99% of the iPhone's target market have no idea what SSH or VNC even means. I think Apple prefers it that way.
      • buddhistMonkey, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1It's actually possible to do SSH and VNC on the iPhone, although by "possible," I mean if someone (Apple or otherwise) enables that functionality. It may even be that when OS X Leopard is released next month, the iPhone could inherit Leopard's built-in VNC support, since the iPhone itself is running on Leopard. I have a suspicion that quite a few such features are being prepared for an upcoming iPhone update that corresponds with the release of Leopard, with upgrades to the Mail and Calendar apps. Maybe VNC will sneak in there, too.
      • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Ouch. Such rage. It's a good thing you're not jealous ;)
      • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Valid points, but notice how everyone jumped on the SSH? Probably should have left that out. Typical Digg and typical Internet: ignore all valid points, harp on one thing you think is vulnerable, or simply bury without any supporting evidence.

        These are the same morons who believe THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM!
    • tnoy, on 10/10/2007, -8/+9I've been labeled as an iPhone "hater" before, but I think of it more as a distaste or disappointment. The lack of a few features puts it low on the list of what I'm willing to buy right now. The lack of 3G is a big one, I've used EDGE for a while now and I'd like something a lot faster. The lack of proper 3rd-party applications is almost a deal-breaker for me. I've gotten far too spoiled with the range and selection there is for my Treo. I use my phone more as a PDA now; the iPhone does not look like it will work as well.

      The price isn't an issue for me right now, I'd HAPPILY spend $600 for something that did everything I wanted perfectly. I'm finding myself leaning twards the N95, but I'm not too crazy about the form-factor. There are a few HTC phones that I like too, but haven't done very much research into them. Both of them cost more, too.
      • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2And so your perfectly inoffensive remark was buried.

        Digg, playground of infants.
    • neodorian, on 10/10/2007, -5/+9Not everyone that isn't impressed is a "hater". I just know I got my smartphone for about $250, it has 3g, I get unlimited data for $15/month, I don't have to support the warrantless wiretapping AT&T, and it does most of the things the iPhone does. It's going for a different demographic. Most of the functions overlap with my phone but there are things the iPhone has that mine doesn't (bigger screen, better multimedia interface, more modern form factor), things that mine has and the iPhone does not (streaming shoutcast, 3G speeds, a real tactile keyboard). A lot of us just don't want one. We're not jealous of anyone. We're glad you got something you like. We just don't see it as a good deal because we want different features and a lower price. More power to those who find it a worthy value.
      • cosmicdreams, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Are you sure your cell phone service provider isn't wiretapping your cell phone usage without notification?
      • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Anyone that types more than two lines for or against something is a "lover" or a "hater."
    • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3Id recommend the 8525 instead, and still am.
      • Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3id recommend sucking my dick, and still am!
    • insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3Have you used it? I played with it once, it offers nothing beyond other phones. The wireless internet is also very slow(probably due to the area I am in). In the end it's a video ipod with a web browser.
      • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Nope, not really an iPod either, seeing as how headphones don't fit. So pretty much a slow Web browser and travel alarm.

        http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/30/iphone-doesnt-work-with-most-3rd-party-headphones/
      • carnag3aus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yer and you know, a phone!
      • virtualball, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I played with a Wii once, it was OK, but ya know, I can entirely base my opinion on the one time I used it....
        • insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Unlike the Wii which will have many games to play. The iphone is the same now as it will be a year from now. The only chance apple will release more apps without making you buy a whole new phone is that 3rd party developers are going to start releasing the missing pieces. But when a phone costs $600 you shouldn't have to wait for 3rd party developers to release free apps.
  • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -26/+11This comparison is invalid. The iPhone can't match the functions of a Palm device of 10 years ago, let alone a Blackberry. Well known blunders in each of the iPhone's PDA apps make it little more than a poor phone and portable (but slow) Web browser.
    • shempey, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20Exactly what functions of a 1997 Palm Device can the iPhone not match?
      • RedStateRetard, on 10/10/2007, -11/+7Handwriting recognition
        • zweben, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19There's a reason manufactures started using those tiny keypads... handwriting recognition sucked.
          • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3I dunno, mine is fairly decent. It can recognize uppercase, lowercase, numbers, and different standard keyboard characters written in block or cursive. Granted though, this is a feature built into Windows Mobile itself and technically not the phone itself.
        • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15Its a design decision. Not an inability. Apple chose not to use the inferior stylus... instead opting for your finger. When you couple this with the fact that people type faster than they can write longhand... it was inevitable that handwriting recognition be removed.
          • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Funny how any method the competition uses is always "inferior"

            "inferior stylus" "inferior disk format" "inferior rumble"

            Guess what? The retractable hard keyboard on my phone allows me to type much faster than your phone's on-screen KB.
          • SenorCardgage74, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Gee, the keyboard you use all the time allows you to type faster than the keyboard youve used maybe once or twice?

            Imagine that.
          • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2@ Akuma: Not sure about that. I've gotten very fast at typing on the iPhone; pretty much as fast as on a full-size desktop keyboard. After a couple weeks training, I now have NO difficulty batting out those long emails on the iPhone. The ability to use the web browser displayed on the full face of the device, and end up with a device compact enough to fit in all my small pants and shorts pockets, make this a great form factor for me. I'm certainly not missing a full hard keyboard on this thing, and the lack of any kind of hinge or moving part makes this device feel very solid. I'm sure that after a couple years, the keys will be just as usable as they were the day I bought it, which is in sharp contrast to my old phone, whose buttons were no longer working, and had to be cleaned out by completely disassembling the phone every few months or so, to get the sand and dust out from under the buttons.
        • jsebrech, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4Kelly, I disagree. I used to own a palmpilot with the graffiti 1.0 algorithm (before patents forced them to switch to the inferior 2.0 algorithm). It absolutely kicked ass for speedy notation. There are definitely iphone fans out there that think the on-screen keyboard is god's gift to fingers, but saner minds that have reviewed it generally say "yes, it's ok, but it's still not the same as a real keyboard".
      • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Two of the main PDA functions are killed by the same flaw: no categories. All your contacts are lumped into one giant aggregation, with no way to organize them. Same goes for memos. Surely the same would have gone for tasks (to-dos), except those are missing entirely. So let's say you wanted to move from Windows and Outlook to the Mac and iPhone. You can't do it. Yet you can sync a late-'90s Palm device with Outlook with total fidelity.

        Only the calendar is mostly functional for syncing.
    • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18And the Palm devices of 10 years ago AND today can't match many of the functions of the iPhone.... all of which shows that your point is lacking.
      • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2*****, because about 10 years ago, you could buy a Handspring Visor for $200 and no two-year contract. Even in adjusted dollars, that's cheaper.

        The thing also had 8 megabytes of memory, ONE THOUSANDTH of the iPhone's.

        Hope that clears it up for you.
    • monsterofNone, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2shill.
    • Gee1004, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8iPhone still has no flash or cut & paste
      • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1They can a will be added via software update.
      • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Strange, I only made that comment once. (bury)
    • jsebrech, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10The iphone isn't even selling into the same segment that the blackberry and palm sell into. Apple took an existing moniker ("smartphone") and applied it to a new class of product ("usable phone"), and this is confusing a lot of people. However, the iphone is not in direct competition with blackberry's core market. Enterprise features on the iphone are almost entirely absent. It's a great phone for personal use, but I don't see any corporate organization standardizing on iphone's instead of blackberries.
      I'd venture to guess that blackberry and palm are seeing somewhat decreased sales due to the edge market switching to iphone, but that their core market is unaffected. I'd also guess that the more expensive music phones from samsung, nokia and so on are seeing heavy losses in sales, because they sell into the same segment but are inferior products.
      • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1The problem is the meaningless term "smartphone", which is nothing more than a made-up category designed to excuse the piss-poor capabilities of most phones. My point is that Palm PDAs have been doing just about everything that people relegate to a "smart phone", with no more memory or power than a low-end regular phone today. A basic Motorola phone has what, 32MB of memory? Then why on earth can't it sync with Outlook? Why are there no ADDRESSES in its contacts list? No task list?

        Motorola and others churn out ***** products like the Razr, with the excuse that, "Oh, well, to do THOSE things you need a 'smartphone'." *****.
  • geoken, on 10/10/2007, -4/+21Cool, although I'd like to see some figures based on actual sales numbers and not a survey.
  • fragsta, on 10/10/2007, -16/+8In related news, water found to be wet.
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Well, except for that water made from dry ice
      • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1As well as water in a gas state.
      • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Dry ice is carbon dioxide, not water... What is water made from dry ice, exactly?
        • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Just a joke. Steven Wright once asked if you could swim in dry ice and not get wet. I know I know, too obscure.
  • cowsgonemadd3, on 10/10/2007, -10/+51And yet its NOT a smartphone replacement as far as biz. use goes. Its more like a multimedia phone for the average user who like a "big" phone.
    • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17I don't know why you were dugg down. The iPhone is not a smart phone... and this fact is not a dig against it. Considering the sad state of smart phones these days... I'd say its a compliment to not be associated with that bunch.
    • monsterofNone, on 10/10/2007, -9/+16i had a motorola smartphone with windows mobile. my iPhone does everything better. everything. if there's a definition of smartphone that means lame, crippled, counterintuitive and confounding... then, no, the iPhone isn't a smartphone.
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -6/+7"my iPhone does everything better. everything"

        How about copy and paste?
        • monsterofNone, on 10/10/2007, -6/+1considering i couldn't copy and paste anything practically with my smartphone, yep... that too.

          shill.
        • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5I think he meant everything "he" wants to do. All these features that iPhone haters go on about doesn't translate into what others might want the iPhone for. The features war played out with digital audio players and the iPod won. Why? Because it had what more people wanted and iTunes made it easy to manage. Just because you prefer to do things the hard way (or harder than it has to be) doesn't meant that everyone else wants to.

          And no, I didn't buy an iPhone because it doesn't do want I want from a device like this.
        • locojones, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Wow and that's so strange because my windows mobile based smart phone does everything I want way better than the iPhone. And it has cut and paste. Whee!
    • colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10If it does email and full web, it's a smart phone. Heck, a lot of people consider the RAZR a smartphone.
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7With that kind of classification can ANY cellphone released in the last 3-5 years in the US not be considered a smartphone?
    • rollem, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4It's sort of an odd mixture of devices and I'm not convinced it has long-term viability once you get past the wow factor. For instance, it's too pricey for most consumers but doesn't have the business apps that would make it a great company-paid tool. Time will tell, I guess. Also, I hope some of it's non-phone capabilities get into the next round of iPods... not only the interface but also the wifi.
    • john95127, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7I disagree, I wrote a Ruby on Rails app to gather data in the field, it writes to MySQL database, saved me 50% data entry time. I am now 50% more efficient than my competitors. It works like a charm.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -5/+7Wrong. It supports syncing with Outlook calendar, which is even more useful to many people than instant all the time access to email. It works as a business device quite well, for most business users.
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7It may work as a business device, but it was not designed to work as a business device, and any other business oriented phone (blackberries and other phones that run PalmOS or Windows Mobile) will perform better in those tasks than an iPhone.
        • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1It was designed to work with Outlook, about as well as anything can. So how was it "not designed to work as a business device" when it works well in that regard and has features specifically built for that need?

          Yes it works differently than a Blackberry. But honestly synching once a day to pick up meetings is not THAT great a burden, since you get other benefits from synching like a power refresh.

  • totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14That isn't too surprising for July (since there was a huge pent up demand)...I'll be really impressed if August/September continue that trend.
    (But as a stockholder, I'm pretty happy with this news :D)
    • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6They said the same thing about the iPod. As it worked out, people saw it in use and that inspired more people to buy it. I predict the same will happen with the iPhone.
  • dubbleenerd, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4If true, this is an interesting piece of information for many reasons - the most important one being, in my opinion, the fact that the iPhone has been locked in to a single service provider which is not known as the best data service provider. Other smartphones, in fact, have been available on other networks such as Verizon, which has a superior data service (so I've heard, no personal experience). Despite this, if it has managed to outsell other smartphones, the achievement is commendable. I wouldn't peg price as a comparative factor - not too many smartphones are priced lower than the iPhone in terms of annual cost-of-ownership. Also for most smartphones, the cost of ownership is footed by corporations and not individuals.
  • waveman216, on 10/10/2007, -6/+34For all you haters out there, HOW?!!! HOW can you actually HATE a tech device?! I DON'T GET IT!!! It's there, some people like it, some people don't. Some people think it's the best thing to happen to phones in years. And then there's that small small group of dedicated haters that for some reason think the iPhone is the second coming of Hitler. WHY?!!!
    • manmetropolis, on 10/10/2007, -8/+20Because they are jealous and sadly, cheap.
    • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -5/+16The hatred stems from the fact that they've been predicting Apple's death to Apple's user base for so long and the fact that it hasn't come true is upsetting. These same people implied that the iPod was just a fluke and to prove their point they would show us by demonstrating how poorly the iPhone would sell. Now that the iPhone is doing so well, watch as these same people chalk it up to Apple fanaticism rather than it being because Apple sells such a great product.
      • manmetropolis, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12I also think because they are jealous that Microsucks just doesn't get it. While Apple seeks innovation, the others seek profits and quantity over quality.
    • RonPaulsiPhone, on 10/10/2007, -15/+8It's a locked device that does virtually nothing that a $50 phone does. Oh wait, you can get a $50 phone with 3G data. It's a status icon that says "I couldn't be bothered to use a REGULAR phone, I need to tap Chinese slave labor for a $600 phone."

      If you don't understand why the iPhone is the be-all end-all of American gluttony and "me" culture, you're just one of them.

      And for God's sake, it's not even a smartphone.
      • jptolife, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3HAHAHAH hilarious!! you are way too funny, I can't stand it.
      • iFungus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dude I totally love your username. Ron Paul's iPhone. Brilliant.
        Troll.
    • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Forgot to mention...
      its also because they have doo-doo in their souls
    • Gee1004, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13Because they get boners flamming Apple and their products
    • wildsnake, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8They are madly in love with Bill Gates and Steve Jobs threatens that love
    • djJohnnyG, on 10/10/2007, -3/+3I think the hatred is mainly generated against the hype that the phone generated before it came out rather than anything it does or doesn't do. I guess it's the same sort of thing as those people who reflect that there's nothing wrong with France/America/Wherever except for the French/Americans/etc and so on.

      I have to say I got pretty tired of the hype too but as more apps start to appear on the iPhone I'm more and more inclined to long for the next release which will hopefully include a reduction in overall size.
    • mntbikeracer1, on 10/10/2007, -6/+10Wow that can flip rather quickly, why do you love a tech device so much as if it was the second coming of christ. Get over it, its a phone.
      • jaderobbins, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4That is really the truth. I just got tired of hearing about it. It is a phone and an interesting idea but the reason i hate the iphone is because people wouldn't shut up about it. I have an excellent smartphone that can do anything important to me that the iphone does for 1/3 of the price and it doesn't look as pretty. I think the feature trade offs that the iphone made didn't warrant the press coverage.
    • jeffburton, on 10/10/2007, -5/+1It's simple. Hatred of the iPhone is a proxy for hatred of you.
    • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -9/+5Its not so much the phone as the company that I dislike.

      Face it, the only way this thing is selling for $600 is because it has the logo of a plastic apple with a bite taken out of it glued to the case. If anyone else came out with a device that was 100% the exact same it couldn't sell for over $300 and not have nearly as much hype/demand. In fact, some companies are, notice how there's almost no news about those?

      Ok, let me clarify a little more, although I dislike Apple, now that I think about it, its not so much the company as it's annoying fanboys that just cannot stop talking about Apple products and treat iMacs as a holier-than-thou necessary movement from standard PCs. And the insane hype and demand surrounding the iPhone is proof of these people. Steve says something common about the phone, using fancy words to basically claim it can place calls, run some (apple approved only) programs and go on the Internet and everyone, even various tv media outlets, treat it like its the first of its kind when really "smartphones" made three years ago can do nearly everything he just described.

      Its the insane hype and fanboys drooling over an overpriced device that isn't anywhere near as fantastic, therefore having 3rd party support shadow all other devices to try to create applications and accessories for the "popular" device, that annoys me.

      I mean, look at the iPods. Its practically the de-facto standard in mp3 player support now, good luck having a device with an "mp3 jack" support your player if it isn't an iPod, other than hooking it up through the earphones and manually controlling everything off the device itself. Plus thanks to those things the proper term "streaming" has basically been replaced with "podcasting".

      THIS is why Apple annoys me, and people say Microsoft tries to usurp everything...
      • clak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3There are versions of the Blackberry that cost 700 hundred dollars. I don't see you complaining about that. Seriously, find another phone that has a built-in VIDEO iPOD, full internet with Wifi, multi-touch interface (finger pinching, strolling, keyboard), visual voice-mail, SMS text messaging, and Google Maps with satellite view.

        If I were to say a BMW is better than a Buick, I'm not being a fanboy, I'm telling the truth. And when does Steve Jobs use fancy words to describe his products? You're criticizing the man because he can talk clearly and get his points across effectively? That's not a reason to hate somebody. Furthermore, Apple's stranglehold on the MP3 market has more to do with providing people with a superior product rather than locking out competition with unfair business practices like Microsoft. Microsoft leveraged the PC market through exclusive agreements that locked out competitors from advertising their operating systems on PCs where Windows was pre-installed.

        Several companies had come out with MP3 players before the iPOD and had all failed, because they were trying to stuff crap down consumer's throats. Apple succeeded because they delivered a superior product. Period. That's the true spirit of competition and there is nothing wrong with people liking their products.
      • buddhistMonkey, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2((( "Face it, the only way this thing is selling for $600 is because it has the logo of a plastic apple with a bite taken out of it glued to the case." )))

        See, there's where you're wrong. There's no plastic Apple logo glued to the iPhone. The logo is actually a mirror-finish relief on the otherwise matte aluminum back panel. It's very clever, very well done, and very cool. Just like the rest of the iPhone and its operating system. THAT'S why it's worth $600.
    • over90000, on 10/10/2007, -5/+0Apple supporters say this, but yet they hate MS with a passion.
      • meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Ignoring the fact that Microsoft is a company and not a product, you ever wonder why Linux and open source fans hate MS too? Convicted monopolist, stifles innovation, mass spreader of FUD, has infamous and damaging embrace extend and extinguish policies and is now bribing entire countries to use it's proprietary formats over something open. It's pathetic to think that anyone with any sense of where the computer industry is headed can actually support Microsoft.
        • jaderobbins, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1you absolutely can't talk about monopolies without looking at apple pre x86 architecture.
          • meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Because they lock an Apple OS into Apple hardware? That isn't anywhere close to a monopoly. You still have a choice to buy a windows or linux PC.

            Unless you're referring to PPC architecture where Apple allowed Linux to be run natively and Windows to be emulated. Where's the monopoly here? Seriously, what was the point you were making?
      • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2You don't have to be an Apple supporter to hate Microsoft. We can all hate them equally...
    • thebass, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3The iPhone is not worth $600. Want a phone actually worth $600? http://www.nseries.com/index.html check out the N95 8GB. I hope some of you wish for a return policy :p
      • Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Have you used either one of them?

        If you had you wouldnt of said that!
  • wilhoitm, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Told you!
  • SirZRX, on 10/10/2007, -19/+8the iphone IS NOT an smartphone!
    • AtomB, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Just like how your comment wasn't smart?
    • mypenis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8nope. its a "Genius" phone.
    • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -7/+1Its a dumberphone. It is a smartphone, but nowhere near as "smart" as other "smartphones". Just a lot flashier looking.
      • mypenis, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2nope. its a "Genius" phone. Cause I said so.
  • boza111, on 10/10/2007, -16/+4whats so smart in a phone that is locked down that has to be hacked Loads to get some functionallity and simfree.
    in my opinion this is not exactly a smartphone
    • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5"whats so smart in a phone that is locked down that has to be hacked Loads to get some functionallity and simfree."

      You basically just decribed every phone Verizon has.
      • Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Buts I not like iPhone cuz AT&T verison FTW!

        [/sarcasm
  • inkhead, on 10/10/2007, -11/+31sorry but the iphone is smarter than my blackberry, palm or q. And clocks in at 600mhz.
    • boza111, on 10/10/2007, -7/+4how is it smarter? it doesnt have simfree. as i understand you need to hack it to install hacked apps on it. I am pretty sure symbians , palms and windows mobile are smarter.

      But i do agree that it sold out smart phones .. but not "other smart phones"
    • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -9/+4It can't copy-paste, can't use 3G, and can't install 3rd aprty apps.

      Thats not really very smart...
    • virtualball, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Because, it has Cover Flow....duh.

      Actually, I would say it's smarter because it runs OS X which allows Apple (or anyone) to easily create/port anything they want to the phone. Normally, on a phone, if you want a new feature, like a video recorder, or another feature, you'd need to buy a new model, but Apple can update anything thru iTunes.

      PS: boza111, netposer, and Cyber_Akuma; Seriously, if you used the phone for more then an hour, you won't care that it lacks those "features."
      • boza111, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1yea i am not saying its a good phone .. infact its an awesome phone! Its reallly amazing!
        It has awesome an awesome gui loads of nice eye candy.. dual touch screens.
        Its not a smartphone though . it would be even greater if apple allowed apps to be made for the phone.
        i mean take a look at symbian or windows mobile any one can write apps for it
    • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5"sorry but the iphone is smarter than my blackberry, palm or q."

      Oh really? Try moving all your data from one of those devices to an iPhone (aside from the Q; I don't know it). You can't do it, even if the software exists to try. Why? Because of basic PDA functions that are inexplicably missing from the iPhone. And when you go beyond basic PDA functions to E-mail, it fails there too, with no way to delete spam or other messages faster than one at a time; no way to filter messages; no message folders; really, have you used one of these things? Either you haven't, or you're sticking your head in the sand.
  • skoobisnaxs, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2duh
  • srodolff, on 10/10/2007, -18/+7This article is crap.

    http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=514407

    If anything iPhone sales have dropped like a stone since July.
    • HitchcockBlonde, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Yeah! Whatever!
    • limpidezza, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Which part of that article supports your claim?
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6"AT&T and Verizon, the two largest operators in the region, continued to perform extremely well, AT&T in particular thanks to its exclusive deal with Apple’s iPhone in the region,"

      From your own link...
    • spazzcat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4They is why everyone is rushing to copy
    • iFungus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Dropped like a stone in outer space.
  • Darcy, on 10/10/2007, -9/+3Is this reallly a surprise? The iPhone is one of the most hyped tech products ever, I would of been amazed if it hadn't outsold every other phone on the market.
  • Frozenpython, on 10/10/2007, -7/+15There should be a "Bury as NO *****!" button...
  • griz, on 10/10/2007, -11/+6Look at any intro of a new product. It will likely outsell the others in its product category for that month. No news here.
    • totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9*cough* Zune *cough*
    • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Yeah.. just another 100,000,000 selling flash-in-the-pan. People will say it wont sell, but they'll likely shut up at 50,000,000, or change their argument to; "sheep baa..". Truth is it's the coolest phone ever, and it's easy to use, but it's not just a phone. It's has a decent internet browser, under WiFi you could nearly call it a laptop too. And it's also a replacement for people portable DVD players, and it can be taken anywhere and fit more movies in it too. And with more software updates coming, the only way is up.
  • jaypatrick, on 10/10/2007, -6/+7"consumer survey"

    Notice it's a consumer survey...if they were to be statistically correct and include the proportional number of business users that account for the percentage of total mobile devices sold, the numbers wouldn't even be close to what is stated in the article.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3Business users everywhere are buying the iPhone today. Yes, even without direct Exchange support. Outlook calendars sync well though.
      • diggaiden, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Link regarding "business users everywhere are buying the iPhone today"? That Gartner article above isn't even counting the sales of Apple yet. Until there are cold, hard numbers, you'll probably have anecdotal evidence at best.
    • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Man, it takes a lot to convince you Apple-haters. No pro-iPhone article is valid. They're ALL inconclusive, right? I bet if there was a rock-solid article in a reputable tech magazine, with footnotes for every stat mentioned, stemming from in-depth study, you'd find some way to dismiss that, too.
      • locojones, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Right, pro-iPhone articles from Macrumors. It HAS to be true!
  • bingobongony, on 10/10/2007, -8/+6Gee, could that have anything to do with it debuting on June 29th?
  • 2GMario, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6i think alot of people were waiting - expecting Apple to improve on the short coming's on the phone before they purchased one

    Unfortunately, aside from to minor firmware updates, nothing has been done in regards to improvements (Send to multiple people in SMS, AIM, multiple delete email, etc...)

    As much as the hacker community is making progress, their not as visible as Apple is, so their improvements are only noticed by those of us involved in the community.

    I'd like to see Apple do a major update, maybe it'll be tomorrow at the iPod conference - Add a few programs (maybe), improve on things, etc... That'll get some attention and if the right changes are made, drive sales again.
    • wildsnake, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5Apple still hasn't put flash on the iPhone and Cut & Paste
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2I don't know why people are digging you down, you are right, nearly every other smartphone has these features.
  • prometheus184, on 10/10/2007, -12/+4wow apple out sells in the month of July with a brand new phone.... for 1.8% market share?? Let me ask you this... What other new phone where introduced in July? How much of an impact do you think 1.8% makes? Stupid Mac news... lame
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Considering that Jobs said he was hoping for 1% of the market, I would consider that good news
  • HonestAbe, on 10/10/2007, -6/+8Key words: IN JULY
    • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -3/+0No, I think you missed it. The keywords are: "iPHONE OUTSELLS ALL OTHER SMARTPHONES."
  • shinelikeitdoes, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6i dont see what the big deal is about lack of 3G. edge is plenty fast for the rare times i am not within wifi range. if youre living in some shanty town then you dont need an iphone anyway, you can yell loud enough for anyone to hear it. even burger king has free wifi nowadays for chrissakes.
    • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You are full of *****. All that "free" wireless access has DRIED UP, in the few places it actually existed. Starbucks, bookstores... they all have their nasty little hands in your pockets. You're just parroting the banners that seek to make fools of everyone: "Wireless access throughout the airport!"

      Go ahead and connect: The first page you see will be the last, unless you enter your credit-card number.

      So YEAH, let's go back to the dial-up speeds of EDGE!
    • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Yes, 3G is better, but really, it's because 3G is the latest geek thing. It's like game consoles. The moment the next gen consoles are available, the current ones are very suddenly looked at as *****. Hello? They were just fine a week prior.
  • representDLV, on 10/10/2007, -16/+13Who else agrees that Mac fanboy's are some of the most annoying people on earth?
    • boza111, on 10/10/2007, -10/+2me 2
    • Quix, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Fanboy's what?

      I agree that Digg trolls constantly griping about Apple fanboys (or "fanboy's" if you can't spell) are the most annoying people on earth.
    • temp444, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2No people who hate iPhones YET read iPhone digg articles.

      Then parrot the usual fan boy comment ...
    • locojones, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Count me in. If I could press a button and vaporize all the mac fanbois so I'd never have to hear another rambling about their stupid ass Jesus phone, I'd hit it in the blink of an eye.
  • jworr, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3I just love how more stories about the iphone just keep coming and coming... The hype/fanboy following will never die! This article just shows how many people can be suckered by a mediocre phone with a shiny box and interface.
  • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9This is about as surprising as finding out in October that Halo 3 was the best-selling Xbox360 game in September...
  • StandardsDT, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5And I wonder how many of those iPhones were bought by teens alone.
  • 1jaxstate1, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6I wonder how did it stack up against all the WM phones. Why split between vendors. Apple OS v WM OS. The fanboys don't want to see those stats.
    • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Both are scraps compared to Symbian phones, and are both in the process of being eclipsed by Linux phones. Linux phones are what both Apple and Microsoft should be worried about.
      • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Just like they're running scared on the desktop.
    • willynilly, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1And with all the WM phones running around with third-party apps and their alleged security risks, it's amazing our communications infrastructure continues to function.

      Yet Apple, so smugly secure, can't figure out how to allow that on its phone.
    • inkswamp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Apple and their fans have nothing to fear when it comes to Windows Mobile. WM has 6% of the smartphone market, and that after many years of being available. That's not exactly a juggernaut. According to various reports out there, the iPhone is well on track to overtake that. Anyway, who cares? WiseWeasel is right. Both are a drop in the bucket compared to Symbian's 70%.

  • Quix, on 10/10/2007, -9/+20"Apple's iPhone Outsells All Other Smartphones in July"

    And a million Apple haters (like Rukaribe) grind their teeth to powder in rage.
    • meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Talking of idiots, where did Flag go? Was he reincarnated as another Digg user?
      • totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I thought wageslaven was his new Digg name? :p
      • Quix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Either the success of the iPhone has driven his miserable, defeated soul underground or he indeed has a new screen name.

        Wageslaven would be a good bet. Or 7of7...
    • virtualball, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5meatmcguffin, I was thinking the EXACT same thing! :)
  • mpancha, on 10/10/2007, -8/+3the iPHone has its strengths and (gasp) weaknesses. Personally, its not a smart phone to me and doesn't satisfy my needs. I will never own one. My wife on the other hand, would like one because its cute. I'ms ure over time she'll use its features, but in the end, her needs differ from mine.

    As far as geeks go, right now, the iPHone is limiting. But as far as mom and pop go, its an easier to use phone than most of the phones that have multimedia capabilities in them. On the corporate front, eventually the iPhone will be a contender in the corporate world.

    For now, what the iPhone has that others don't... ease of use for the masses, not just for the corporate user. The masses don't want or need a PDA/Phone, they need their music, videos, and the ability to show that they can surf the web. Once the iPhone lets people develop and install their own apps, not the half ass Safari based way that they claim is because of security.... it'll be even more popular.

    More importantly, why is everyone doing statistics Apple's way now? The numbers are twisted. The key piece of information missing, date range.
    • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3iPhones are a geek's wet dream. We've got a compact phone with an innovative input device, with decent CPU and graphics performance, running a UNIX OS, with reverse-engineered APIs similar to OS X proper's, and with a large and very active community of developers working on extending its software in various directions. Being here at the birth of this new platform, and seeing the progress all these people are making on hacking the iPhone to suit their needs is quite thrilling. The sky is the limit with this thing, and I'm very interested in following all the various breakthroughs and advancements people are making. The only other platform where I see similar enthusiasm from developers is Linux phones, and it's still nowhere near the level we see in the iPhone developer community. I doubt you'd make a very good emissary for geeks...
      • locojones, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Jesus WiseWeasel, get Job's dick out of your mouth, it's embarrassing.
        • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ouch, that really hurt... Just because I love my iPhone doesn't mean I think Apple is infallible or something... Apple does plenty of stuff that pisses me off, but they brought me the iPhone, and so I will forgive them. I also own some of their stock, so I do stand to benefit if they do well...
  • RogerStrong, on 10/10/2007, -6/+11So Apple's two models beat out any one *individual* model from Motorola, HTC, Nokia or Samsung. Of course, those manufacturers *many* models to chose from. And it was the debut month for the Apple.

    Likewise, when Rush Hour 3 shows up at blockbuster, it'll rent more copies that particular week than any one Lord of the Rings movie in the same week. That doesn't make it a better or more popular movie.
    • kelly, on 10/10/2007, -5/+3The iphone is one model. The fact that there are two different storage capacities doesn't negate that it is the same exact model phone. Stop trying to find reasons to discredit Apple's success.
      • RogerStrong, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4My point still stands. It sold a lot in it's debut month, but then so have many other phones. And the other brands have a much wider selection of smart phones - meaning less sales per model, but more sales overall.
  • peterinjapan, on 10/10/2007, -6/+14Hah, this WEEK I've installed tons of apps on my phone, including the vaunted AIM functionality that we wanted. That tells me that in 6 months there will be *tons* of apps that will do anything you want, probably even Skype. So s'cool, the iPhone will be what you need, no hating necessary (unless you're just an "anything but iPod" type of person). Meanwhile, my iPhone has changed the way I go to bathroom (I can read digg on the toilet), so that's all I need.
    • nekt, on 10/10/2007, -10/+1Ever got ***** on the touchscreen?
      • Me1000, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3you touch your ***** when you take a dump?
    • jaderobbins, on 10/10/2007, -5/+4It is nice that apple dummies down things so retards can do tasks that REAL mobile users have been doing for years.
      • WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Usability and simplicity, while often related, are not the same thing. The iPhone makes browsing the web on your phone USABLE, so even if other phones had that feature as a bullet point in their marketing material, that doesn't mean Apple doesn't deserve some praise for advancing the usability of this feature to the point that a much larger portion of their customers will actually make use of it. The iPhone's web browser is competing with my laptop for my surfing needs, not with other "smart phones".
        • locojones, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Just like Opera and Symnbian's browser have been making the web usable on phones for years now.
        • jaisin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Ya, ummm Symbians browsers suck. I could barely navigate sites on my N80. Might as well have not included the browser.
      • lharrod, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"jaderobbins" is angry that his geeky hobbies won't be exclusive to hyper-tech-nerds anymore. His hobbies are suddenly less nerd-cool because his grandma can now easily do the same things on the iPhone.
    • MixMastaKooz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Amen brother! I no longer need a stack of magazines in my bathroom or look for reading material when I go!
  • whoucares, on 10/10/2007, -5/+7I have owned several cell phones over the past ten years; Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Samsung etc... So far, the iPhone is the best that I have owned. Every person that have used my phone have been floored at how easy it is to use it. I have some gripes about the phone e.g. lack of flash support and some other stuff, but I have worked around it. I am sure when Apple drops the price in about six monthish, there will be more iPhone owners.
  • aliguana, on 10/10/2007, -8/+8Headline is misleading - should read "in the US". Worldwide its a different story. Put it up against the traditional European, Indian and Japanese cell-phone markets then come back and tell me.

    • MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Plus the statement is carefully worded. It out sold any single model of cell phone in the United States. The iPhone was out-sold worldwide by other companies models.
      And in the United States it still accounts for a tiny fraction of all the phones that were sold.
      Bottom Line: It's doing very well and has a lot of growth potential. It's definitely no Zune.
      • aliguana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater. I don't doubt that the iPhone is going to be a major player in the world's cellphone markets... eventually. It has a long way to go though, and some stiff and embedded competition. Just the headline made it sound like the iPhone was the biggest selling phone ANYWHERE, when it is unavailable in 85% of the world. That would mean every person in the US bought 2 of them or something. I know its a good phone, but it's not THAT good lol ;)
  • hiro, on 10/10/2007, -8/+10Come on, the iPhone is not a Smartphone!
  • gregrich, on 10/10/2007, -5/+11Hate the break it to all the Apple / iPhone fan boys (and I am one of them) but the iPhone is not a smart phone, its a great convergence device but smart phone it is not. Until the iPhone supports email push via Exchange and Notes it will not be in the same league as RIM, and *gasp* Windows Mobile based phones.
    • omnivector, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I think the best description I've heard of the iPhone so far is the "Smartphone for the rest of us." Many other phones before it did email/web/music etc but in terms of what CONSUMERS want, not business users, it really is a breakthrough device for people who want a powerful phone that isn't complicated. For me Safari's been the killer feature of the iPhone. Even though my old SLVR had a "web browser" it could never render pages as well, download as as fast, or let me do damn near anything really. This is the market Apple's trying to capture. People jumping from their RAZR to the iPhone. They most certainly don't have Blackberry or Treo in their sights yet. When they do, you'll know.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2That's a pretty damn narrow definition of "smart" phone. I would argue that anything built to attach to exchange in fact is made just a little more stupid in the process.
  • clak, on 10/10/2007, -8/+8You Apple haters must have not seen the Keynote from MacWorld 2007. I have never seen a device that does what the iPhone does. Even Microsoft shill, Chris Pirillo, who once wrote an article entitled "20 Reasons I'm Not Getting an iPhone Today," changed his mind about the iPhone.

    When his wife went out and actually bought him an iPhone against his wishes, he was completely overwhelmed with how much he loved the phone and followed up with an article entitled "20 Reasons I'm Happy with the iPhone." One of his better quotes: "I don’t want to admit it, but I’d just as soon have this thing with EDGE than a tricked-out something-else with 3G."

    You haters need to get over yourselves. Just because you hate Apple and Steve Jobs, does not automatically make the iPhone any less than an absolutely marvel. More to the point, have you actually used the phone?
    • bshellenberg, on 10/10/2007, -6/+6You lovers need to get over yourselves. Just because you love Apple and Steve Jobs, does not automatically make the iPhone an absolute marvel. More to the point, have YOU actually used the phone?

      There... fixed it for you.
      • clak, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2Oh, I should have added that I sold my Palm Treo for an iPhone and that my girlfriend actually tossed my salad for the first time when I bought her one as well. Yeah, I should have added that. Sorry.
    • Quix, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1"my girlfriend actually tossed my salad for the first time when I bought her one as well"

      I'm not sure what that is slang for, and I'm not sure I want to...
      • clak, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0Go rent a Chris Rock concert and come back and talk to me.
    • aliguana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1not to dis Chris in any way, but who the hell died and made him God? He is pissed at MS because he got a free Vista and he couldn't get his printer to work, so he's wavering on the switcher borderline. What I'm trying to say is I'm unsure he's being an impartial commentator anymore, most of his posts consist of "I love Microsoft! But I hate their software. Ooo look, iLife. Sweeeet"
      • clak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Oh, so people that like Apple's products can't be impartial now? You got to kidding me. Chris Pirillo has a Zune for God's sake. He hates iTunes. He just installed Ubuntu on one of his Windows machines, just to test it. He's impartial as you're going to get, man.
  • maxbass, on 10/10/2007, -9/+9Wow. The Apple iPhone outsold all other Smart Phones in one country for one month. I suppose you were impressed when the Toyota Camry outsold all other cars. Or GM outsold all other car makers. Or Windows outsold OS X. Why would someone support the monopolistic restrictive overpriced empire of Apple? You don't control the music you buy, the hardware you buy, or even the apps you want to install. You pay ridiculous amounts of money for hardware while Apple gets a 10% cut of your phone bill from AT&T. You are being screwed. It's amazing to see the sheep heading for slaughter with the oblivious smile on their faces. How do you reconcile your hardware manufacture (Apple) having gross margins in excess of 15%?
    • Quix, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1How do you reconcile your software manufacturer (Microsoft) having gross margins far beyond Apple's wildest dreams? $399 for an OS??? $499 for an office suite??? And *who* is overpriced again?

      "It's amazing to see the sheep heading for slaughter with the oblivious smile on their faces."

      Indeed it is, silly Microsoft drone. Think Different. Or perhaps just Think, if you are able.
  • aznhalf, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I think people just have differing definitions of 'smartphone'.

    To some its a mobile office, which can edit docs and more importantly support exchange(just because you don't like it doesn't mean its not pretty much a given in almost all larger companies).

    Others its just a phone that can go online and grab pop email. Not the best business phone but by no means a normal phone.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2It can edit docs - notes and email. Those are in fact documents. I can receive word docs and comment on them just fine.

      I don't think anyone could come up with a single definition of "smartphone" that does not cover the iPhone without a number of ridiculous exclusions included specifically to exclude the iPhone, which many appear to be trying very hard to do.

  • thebass, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5wait since when is the iPhone a Smartphone?
    fine multimedia phone though.
  • cocaboo, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0Is anyone surprised?

    BTW, check out this iPhone survey you can take or see the results: http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=funsurvey.php
  • atomicrobot, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5The iPhone seems successful as a consumer phone. That's nice.

    It is not, for all intents and purposes, a true smartphone. It has practically no business application. No support for Exchange email, second-rate data speeds, etc...

    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1WiFi is faster than 3G, not a "Second Rate Data Speed". And if you travel much at all, EDGE is faster than 3G since it is actually present.
  • waterdrop, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5The iPhone ain't a smartphone. If it was you could install 3rd party applications on it without hacking it.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2I can downlod an application, that lets me load other applications. Even if it works underneath by hacking what is the difference to me as a user? All I know is i can easily install other third party apps with a simple download and install.

      People are having to come up with more and more ridiculous conditions around the word "smartphone" just to try and make the iPhone not fit.
  • mattnyc99, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3It also outperforms all other smartphones in a July lab test: http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/reviews/4220784.html
  • kalphegor, on 10/10/2007, -7/+3SE W960i ftw!
  • inkswamp, on 10/10/2007, -8/+6You Apple haters are a cute lot. I wonder how many of you writing this off as "first month, pent-up demand only" were also explaining away the Zune's lackluster debut with "just give it some time...." The iPhone is actually off to a better start than the iPod was. Think about that. Look where that went. You really think the first month of iPhone sales is just an aberration?
    • aliguana, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No, the first month sales are impressive. But, the fact that the second, third, fourth months' sales haven't maintained that momentum, seems to suggest it is riding on a wave of gimmickry and hype. Once all the fanboys/fangirls/wannabes bought one, sales started to peter out. Which is a shame, I would like the iPhone to be a major contender. Apple need to be working on v2, and get it out the door by Christmas, or it's going to fizzle.
  • insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6It's a little much calling a phone that is just a glorified web browser a smartphone.
    • futuretheory, on 10/10/2007, -2/+0I agree. And after using a "smartphone" for the past couple years, I'd have to say that it's a little much calling any of the smartphones out there "smart". After playing with an iPhone, I have to say it's the smartest phone I've ever used.
      • insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3A web browser is the smartest phone you ever used?
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