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- kingofinternet, on 07/31/2009, -6/+51don't use apostrophe's when you pluralize.
- krisrm, on 07/31/2009, -1/+27My irony-senses are tingling. And I'm hoping you did that on purpose...
- TreDubZedd, on 07/31/2009, -0/+11It's amazing to me that it took a high-profile company (Google) getting its application pulled from the App Store to really jump-start this discussion. The "walled garden" conversation is one that should have been fore-front years ago--with the initial launch of the App Store.
I'm excited that the iPhone has done so much to revolutionize mobile computing...but I'll be even more excited when other companies that know how to treat third-parties are once again at the top of the ladder. If Apple continues down this path, it's bound to happen. - captainchris, on 07/31/2009, -0/+11nearly every app being banned is a threat to at&t's profits. skype in canada, tethering apps, voice and texting alternatives. anything that makes a pay service free is being removed. see a pattern?
- ban1d0, on 07/31/2009, -3/+14Buried for "LOL" and for not using Adblock Plus.
- inactive, on 07/31/2009, -1/+11lets see if we can make it 5 bad comments in a row
BACON - krisrm, on 07/31/2009, -2/+12To summarize,
Cons: AT&T, Apple gets to choose which apps you want, app approval process is long and tedious
Pros: ummm... jailbreak? - Chakat, on 07/31/2009, -0/+7Android's approval process is a lot more liberal and open, and there hasn't been a flood of complaints about the quality of apps. Yes, an approval process is nice, but at the same time, Apple's approval department seems like something out of the movie "Brazil".
- inactive, on 07/31/2009, -0/+7But I thought the apostrophe means "Here comes an S"
- darkism, on 07/31/2009, -0/+7@dylanhilton: Lighten up.
- Shakermaker, on 07/31/2009, -0/+6Um...yeah - that was the joke....way to miss it.
- morcheeba, on 07/31/2009, -0/+6http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html
- SummerofGeorge, on 07/31/2009, -10/+15so basically, the only pros of an iphone come from jailbreaking the device
- indyGuy, on 07/31/2009, -1/+6In a app developer session I attended, Apple also spoke about ensuring apps aren't memory hogs or have leaks. Again, I appreciate the service, but the market (ratings and comments system) can provide guidance to app shoppers.
The pro (to apple) is that people would (potentially) have apps crashing left and right, which would have negative implications for the apple brand/user experience. - l800LEMMINGS, on 07/31/2009, -0/+4while i have jailbroken my iphone and have gv, it's not something we should have to resort to, in essence there is no reason cydia should have to exist because apple should embrace innovation and customization
- inactive, on 07/31/2009, -0/+4What could possibly be wrong with bacon?
- andysrc, on 07/31/2009, -3/+7What a terrible article. So they list the cons: basically that you have a limited choice and that choice is determined by ATT and Apple. Both parties obviously have a stake in making sure applications you download won't be bad for their image (illegal, pornographic etc) or give you features for free that they want you to pay for. Pretty simple.
According to the article, the pros are basically jailbreaking. That makes no sense, so what are the real pros? You can be more certain there will be no viruses in the software. You can be more certain the software actually works and is not just a scam (when you're only asking for a 99 cent investment, it would be easy to pawn of broken or malicious software). If there were no approval process, imagine how many truly awful, worthless apps would be out there (even more than there already are).
It's a give and take. On the one hand the approval process allows for a certain degree of safety, but your choices are cut down. - AmazingSteve, on 07/31/2009, -0/+3This has been big business's struggle with the internet from day one. There's always an alternative to what's being offered and they'll sue, or buy out and bury whatever it is to protect profits. Even the most technologically advanced companies seem to think that they can control or out and out stifle innovation in the name of protecting their business model like it a right or something. Adapt or die because people will ALWAYS find a way to get around you and fighting the technology only drive more people towards it faster. With the way most of these companies act, you'd think that the Music Industry has been successful in it's efforts or something.
- l800LEMMINGS, on 07/31/2009, -0/+3this is the open letter we sent to apple
Dear Apple,
I am a developer and have been working on an app for the 3.0 os but am discontinuing development as it is too risky to waste more time & resources with a project that may fall victim to double standards & inconsistencies in policy. While I stand firm that the iPhone is the superior platform that remains irrelevant as it is becoming an unstable marketplace for developers. Other developers as well as myself are ready to switch platforms. We feel for you, it's not about creating a valued product anymore, it's about control when removing such products (but not exclusive to) google voice & like third party apps, even in the face of consumer based opposition. In support of these developers & applications (as well as others) we support a boycott against the apple app store until a more open developing climate emerges.
CJ
PS apple may not have the best instincts, & may want to follow the lead of it's user base as the app store wouldn't be in existence if it wasn't due to the innovation of apples 1st generation iPhone customers & perserveance, creating a major revenue stream as a result of apples adaptation to new demand - inactive, on 08/01/2009, -0/+3And anything that might offend some conservative politically correct crusader on "moral grounds."
- Urkel, on 08/02/2009, -0/+2Pros: It just works
Cons: Sometimes it doesn't - ohreilly, on 07/31/2009, -0/+2But can't they engage some sort of kill switch that lets them remove any app they want? I'm sure I read something somewhere about that.
Whether they would do it is not the point, but whether they can. - l800LEMMINGS, on 08/02/2009, -0/+2we aren't the best at grammar, we ran it through apple's Pages which apparently doesn't catch grammar
we appreciate the correction and will be resubmitting the open letter
thank you - ultrafez, on 07/31/2009, -0/+2I want to Digg you for correction of "pro's and con's" but I want to bury you for missing the joke in "apostrophe's". So I will leave you neutral.
- krisrm, on 07/31/2009, -0/+2You'll probably get better reception if it's written with at least reasonable grammar... here:
Dear Apple,
I am a developer, and have been working on an app for iPhone OS 3.0, but I am discontinuing development, as it is too risky to waste more time & resources with a project that may fall victim to double standards and inconsistencies in policy. While I stand firm on the belief that the iPhone is a superior platform, this is becoming largely irrelevant, as it is becoming an unstable marketplace for developers. Other developers, as well as myself, are ready to switch platforms. We feel that, for you, it's not about creating a valued product anymore, it's about control when removing products such as (but not exclusive to) Google Voice and other third party apps, even in the face of consumer based opposition. In support of these developers and applications (as well as others), we support a boycott against Apple's App Store until a more open developing climate emerges.
CJ
PS: Apple may again want to follow the lead of it's user base, as the App Store wouldn't be in existence if it wasn't for Apple's 1st generation iPhone customers' perseverance and innovation, creating a major revenue stream (the App Store) as a result of Apple's adaptation to new demand. - Laughto, on 07/31/2009, -1/+2Wow, I can already see swathes of iPhone 'end-users' switching to different devices because of their far more transparent approval processes. Definitely. Everywhere.
Seriously though, nothing has changed since Apple rejected the google voice app. You can still do all the things on the iPhone you could do 4 days ago. Apple has to sort the developer experience of the app store definitely, but this isn't nearly a huge an event as the blogs have been making out. - nickels, on 07/31/2009, -2/+3@dylanhiltondylanhilton: you're a moron (not your a moron)
- inactive, on 08/01/2009, -0/+1They could lock down the baseband, preventing people from crashing at&t's apparently feeble network, while at the same time allowing us to instal any damn app we want. Simple as that.
The fact is, Apple just hates freedom. But the public is by-and-large blissfully ignorant. So Apple's war on freedom will continue, and they'll rake in giant profits while they do it. Heck, they're trying to make it illegal to jailbreak your phone, so they can have all freedom-loving citizens thrown in jail. Doesn't sound very American does it... - darkism, on 07/31/2009, -4/+5This is not just an Apple thing, it's a serious concern whenever one's (bought and paid-for) data lives in the "cloud" controlled by one company. It doesn't matter if it's the App Store, XBLA, Steam or anything else - digital distribution is a bad idea.
Who wants to pay for something without (a. having a physical product to show for it and (b. being guaranteed the ability to always use it, in whatever way they like? - Turbojugend27, on 07/31/2009, -2/+3Funny how everybody has an idea how Apple should be run.
They don't listen to what YOU want and still post profits quarter after quarter........ - krisrm, on 07/31/2009, -0/+1Introducing...
The Reply button: because you're not on Twitter anymore. - dragon111320, on 07/31/2009, -0/+1Ya, I am a noob, aren't I?
- dragon111320, on 07/31/2009, -0/+1@ Taim I am pretty sure that the only people who comment are people who have negative things to say.
- McPOW, on 08/06/2009, -0/+1You fail at life.
- inactive, on 08/01/2009, -0/+1You shouldn't have to hack the device just to be able to run any app you want. That's the point. You're breaking a broken device to regain freedom you should off had from the start. The proper solution is to not bankroll this war on freedom of choice.
- ohreilly, on 07/31/2009, -0/+1"You can still do all the things on the iPhone you could do 4 days ago. "
Except using the now banned GVmobile app, if you didn't download it in time and have not jailbroken. - MrRtd, on 08/01/2009, -1/+2Actually if you look up the history of the use of apostrophes, there have been various uses of it and omissions of it. There is no law stating correct use, just whatever is commonly accepted as standard usage at the time. For a brief history check out the Oxford Companion to the English Language.
- Kamujin, on 08/01/2009, -0/+1I dunno. Isn't this "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"?
This is Apple. You know how they do business. Your fault if it ends poorly. - dragossh, on 07/31/2009, -0/+1Developers are starting to consider other alternatives and they WILL jump ship. It just takes time. And where do you think people will go? They will go to phones that have a better interface and more innovative apps. But then again, I'm talking about users who don't amuse themselves with iFart Mobile.
- ohreilly, on 07/31/2009, -0/+1"Apple also spoke about ensuring apps aren't memory hogs or have leaks. "
The Symbian Signed process (at least Certified Signed) also checks for that sort of thing, and doesn't allow Nokia or a network operator to get in the way and decree that the app will not be signed because they don't like it. The less hassle Express Signed process also assumes you've checked, because apps are occasionally audited and tested using the same criteria.
Nothing stopping you distributing the unsigned app and having the end user sign it for their phone, unlike Apple's process. - McPOW, on 08/06/2009, -0/+1You fail at life.
- l800LEMMINGS, on 08/02/2009, -0/+1while i appreciate your concern we are in fact registered as studio 57 in the app store, we had to pay the 99 dollars for the registration and had our iphones temporarily bricked by the 3.0 beta os and had to follow the vague & tedious verification process
we believe as consumers and developers of the app store apple needs to stop making developers go through constant ridiculous hurdles because it makes us seem unwanted and to develop elsewhere - inactive, on 08/01/2009, -0/+1Regardless, they still shouldn't be stifling freedom and innovation. If the government stepped in and said "you can't sell such-and-such app because it might give people too much freedom!" People would be up in arms. So why is there no outrage when Apple blocks apps for the very same reason?
There's no doubt the iPhone/touch are wonderful devices. But just like they did with the Mac back in the 80s, Apple has a great product which is setting the tone for the industry, and they're shooting themselves in the foot by ignoring reality. - inactive, on 08/01/2009, -0/+1Pro: You get this awesome device with all these apps and all this potential.
Con: It's locked down, you can only run what Apple says you can. It's being hamstrung by apple trying to appease at&t.
Conclusion: If you hate the freemarket and love dictatorships, get an iPhone/touch. Otherwise, there's Android. - ripter, on 07/31/2009, -2/+2You can save backups of iPhone apps. Once you have it Apple can't remove it.
If you want a physical product burn them to a CD. - inactive, on 08/01/2009, -0/+0Why is everyone protecting Google. If the Anroid was so good than sell it on your store. You know why, no one, again no one is buying Anroid phones. Imagine if GM was trying to sell its new cars on a Ford lot. The two are in competition and like it or not, Apple needs to protect its investment. I guess the people who post these negative comments never owned a business. If they did, than they would understand.
- thrilladdict, on 07/31/2009, -2/+2Guys... it takes <10 seconds to jailbreak and doesn't void your warranty (if you know how to RESTORE) and guess what, NO MORE WALLED GARDEN.
Simple solution to an annoying problem that probably won't get fixed. I have the banned Google Voice app working perfectly on my device and Apple can't do anything about it, along with my 5-row springboard and wireless tethering. - AmazingSteve, on 07/31/2009, -2/+2Just have a look in a packed Apple store and you'll see them.
- kitsua, on 08/01/2009, -1/+1That argument really only works for vocabulary and spelling.
- Taim, on 07/31/2009, -1/+1I love it. All the comments are pretty much negative or "eh, don't care", yet somehow this fine piece of work is dugg.
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