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- ncaauwe, on 10/10/2007, -4/+144The author loses credibility for me in this paragraph:
The introduction of Intel chips has not made the Mac OS more susceptible to virus attacks, though I wonder what the experience is like running Windows with Boot Camp on a Mac. Has anyone gotten infected?
Yes grasshopper, you are truly running Windows, and you can get all the crap you can on any other PC. Why not try it before writing about it? It's been possible for a year and a half now. - Woolis, on 10/10/2007, -7/+96I bought one.
I am not saying that I am the best indicator of the PC market, but I used to make fun of my friends who used Apple computers. - bizzydiggin, on 10/10/2007, -21/+88I've seen a huge change in perception towards the mac. Switching to an Intel processor has saved the Mac in my opinion. I believe 12% by 2012 is overly conservative.
- BamaMac, on 10/10/2007, -22/+8612 percent by 2012? Realistic or not? What are some of your thoughts. I believe it is very possible, especially now that Apple is starting to create a realistic competitor to Office, and people are growing tired of the bloated mess that PC manufacturers put out.
- mpn401, on 10/10/2007, -14/+63Mac stopped sucking when they dropped PowerPC.
- srg13, on 10/10/2007, -6/+393rd party RAM and hard drives are ALWAYS much cheaper than from any manufacturer - Mac or PC
- sekhui, on 10/10/2007, -7/+39buried as inaccurate.
"triple cores"? and you call yourself a member of the tech industry? lame.
show me a mac with a "triple core" processor (or a PC for that matter). - racco, on 10/22/2007, -13/+45it's been said a million times before, and its true (just ask my mum)
"Once you go mac, you don't go back!" - johnpaul191, on 10/10/2007, -4/+35i've been baffled that people think the Intel processor would open the Mac up to all the virus/spyware that currently runs on MS Windows. that might explain something though. the same thinking would imply that people think Linux is vulnerable to all the same MS Windows virus/spyware problems? totally weird.
- aDJsavedmylife, on 10/10/2007, -2/+32It's the same if you buy a computer from Dell..they'll charge you £100 ($200) for a 500GB HD upgrade for example.
You are actually allowed to buy your own RAM and install it you know..And you only have to undo one screw to get at the RAM slots ;). - lo0ol, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3112 percent? I'm a huge Apple fan, but that's an extremely large number of computers. Part of the problem is that there's a huge install base already out there. That's why Apple's showing growth in shipped Macs but can't see a huge growth in market share- they're fighting both the current install base and they're fighting against the growth of the technology field in general. If you're talking about shipped personal computers, sure, I think Apple's going to start making a dent compared to other manufacturers. But whether or not Apple will make some serious headway against Microsoft on overall market share remains to be seen. One step at a time, after all. I don't think Apple's too worried, anyway: their Mac sales keep on growing.
- toxicityj, on 10/10/2007, -5/+27oh yes and this is the year of Linux. like last year. and the year before.
- uselessexpert, on 10/10/2007, -5/+27I find myself ONLY recommending Macs right now, eventhough I have two desktops running XP and laptop (which I'm on right now) running Vista (which is not that bad),
- JonParker, on 10/10/2007, -5/+24I suppose I kind of fit the definition of fanboy -- been using Macs since the Plus came out in 1986. I love my Macs and hate the PCs that I use at work.
Nevertheless, I think this is overly optimistic for reasons that one previous poster touched on above. Apple can rule the home market easily, but business is a whole different story. Making inroads into the that market is going to be hard because of Apple's top-to-bottom approach to design.
While the benefits of that are obvious, a lot of companies who are already in thrall to Microsoft for the OS and office suite sides of their business are not going to be real quick to jump to a company that not only controls the OS, but the hardware. They're stuck paying whatever MS demands to keep their business going, but can save money by negotiating on PCs. Apple's single source model is not going to appear as an attractive alternative.
I think most business could benefit from switching to Mac, but it's going to be an awfully tough sell. - clyde2801, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22A far more important question is how well Vista will stand up to malware. Getting bogged down by adware and spyware on a weekly basis was what induced me to switch to Mac. If Vista fixes this, inerta will be on the side of Microsoft, and people will stay. If not, they'll jump ship after they have to reinstall their OS a couple of times.
- kiwifish, on 10/10/2007, -3/+21I am a fairly recent mac user: I bought a MBP to cart around for my dissertation and research (physics). Being a technical user, one of the first things I did was to install linux and windows in a triple boot. 6 months on, I barely touch either. Any unix tools I need, I just 'apt-get' or './configure make make install' myself.
The reality is that I find Mac OS X to be much better for technical users than Windows. There are trade-offs with linux, but personally one's I'm willing to make. - merf1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+19I am a recent switcher myself. I like yourself used to bash mac products and users, but then I installed Vista and was very UNDERwhelmed. I had read of all the OSX features MS BORROWED from OSX and I decided I might as well give OSX a go. I now use my macbook almost exclusively. Oh and BTW I am not a mac zealot by any means...I am a network admin at a company that is all MS and I have Linux and Vista pcs at home. I am competely comfortable using any of them to get things done....I just prefer my mac now :)
- kelchm, on 10/10/2007, -3/+20Did you guys actually read this article? The writer is a moron.
- zizzy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+18Well if it is going to be 12 percent by 2012, obviously 2008 will "be a huge year for apple desktops and their laptops sales will continue to grow." And so will 2009. And 2010. And...are you seeing the pattern here?
- johnny5k, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17"I bought one. I am not saying that I am the best indicator of the PC market, but I used to make fun of my friends who used Apple computers."
Take this quote, paste it 5000 times. I think the 12% estimate is conservative as well. Apple has made an amazing turnaround of their image, and people are now softening up to the idea of a Mac like never before. I don't think Apple will ever be the majority-- but they certainly will be a much bigger competitor in the market. - DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16You are still in the build-your-own-computer phase of your life. You'll grow out of it. I was in your place 15 years ago.
- Audacitor, on 10/10/2007, -4/+19They're tired of them alright, but they just don't know there's an alternative (or several). Unfortunately, there's a lot of myths surrounding the whole Macintosh platform, like that there's nothing that will run on it.
Ever since OS X 10.2 came out, I have never been able to not find a Macintosh version of a piece of software, or an equal if not better alternative to previous piece of software. - Spuy767, on 10/10/2007, -3/+17Wrong again. . . It is, in fact, the PC manufacturers that Bloat out the hardware. How is this you ask? Well, PC manufacturers allow every half assed dog and pony show piece of ***** software company with a few muchs to spare place icons on the desktop and rubbish on the hard drive in return for a fee that basicall subsidizes hardware. One of the oft overlooked reasons that Macs are slightly more expensive in some cases.
- clyde2801, on 10/10/2007, -6/+20if you want to play games and other programs, fine. install xp or vista using boot camp or parallels.
- Alegoo92, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15There is a "reply" button
- podgey22, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17Software manufacturers? Do you know how computers are put together en-masse?
They make a default software image which is basically a un-keyed copy of Windows (or whatever) and all the software preinstalled. They then duplicate that image onto a batch of HDs and use those HDs when they put the PCs together...
Did you think that there's some guy at Dell walking from new PC to new PC with a bunch of CDs? - almalax19, on 10/10/2007, -3/+16Nothing less than a new Apple computer can get me off. New iPods get me close but can't push me over the top.
- skidooer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13The year of Linux is every year according to Slashdot.
- Audacitor, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15Ya but Mac OS X doesn't need hardening. Not yet anyway.
The ability to repel viruses should be a core funtion of the OS. Windows just feels incomplete when I have to go buy Norton. - tao52nyc, on 10/10/2007, -3/+15This is the old, hackneyed "security by obscurity" argument, suggesting that if both operating system architectures were placed side-by-side on a level field, both would be equally vulnerable to attack. This is simply not the case, and has been proven not to be the case over and over. UNIX is a tougher architecture.
- MrPineapples, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I just buy online? Games have always been an issue, they have recently signed deals & have got some big games in the works (I think EA have committed to simultaneous releases on PC & Mac).
- CeeAyy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12This is not a race. Should we wake you when BMW has a 51% share of the auto market as well?
- DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12It's called an editorial. They can often be found in NEWSpapers.
- Jammerdelray, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14The price of the new imacs and the fresh design has me considering buying a Mac for the first time.
- warnergt, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13Microsoft has a 100% share in this market where their Windows OS sells for $3 (to those who will actually pay for it). Who wants share in that market?
- kris33, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Nobody buys software in stores anymore, except "big" software like OS's, Word-processing, Video editing and Adobe apps.
- malliemcg, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15The problem with statistics like that is that work PC's will skew the results. No one here is likely to argue against the belief that currently most businesses use Wintel platforms for staff desktops. That means every digg user who visits from both their home PC and their work PC will get counted twice and likely a different operating system.
From the extremely non scientific research and word of mouth around the office (technical area) approx 15% are current mac users at home and at least a further 10% who are seriously considering a mac for their next purchase. Of those new to mac's or considering it - the fact that Windows can be installed on it if they hate MacOS is a pretty big factor.
(Disclaimer - I have a MacBook Pro, and a Whitebox PC in my home and a Wintel desktop @ work so perhaps I am a fanboi because I own me a mac!). - Spuy767, on 10/10/2007, -6/+16And you know how easy it is to get rid of 99% of the parts of any app you dont want on a Mac? ? ? Drag -> Trash. On a PC, it's a ***** ordeal, it is, in fact so much of an ordeal, that when I bought my toshiba Laptop, before Intel Based Macs came out, I just erased the whole goddamn thing and started over.
- Alegoo92, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15I dont think so. Though I do know that people that haven't seen the more recent models will go "ew macs", but people associate the brand with great laptops and a cool media centered OS.
- dragon76, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11The MAJOR turning point for the Mac platform was the iPod. It changed the general public's opinion of Apple and the Mac in extension.
- drogers, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10$100???? Why would you do that when the most expensive one Apple makes it the 'world' charger, and it's $39? A standard AC adapter for iPod from Apple is $29, and you can get third party ones for $10.
You're either lying, or off your rocker.... Hope you can return your coil of wires and get a good iPod charger.... - dbriansmith, on 10/10/2007, -9/+18Adding .xls support in a mac friendly way is a very big deal...
I personally think they should up the cost of the computer whatever they need to to include iWork on every mac they sell...
then, it would come with everything you need to compatible with your windows box (for most users). With iWork only costing $79, it's a no brainer to go ahead and buy it, but including it would be a slam dunk... - kris33, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Linux still have a long way to go till it can compete with Windows and OS X for the average computer noob, I'm afraid. It's moving fast forward though.
- stephenward, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12I think the single most important thing Apple did was to open retail stores. This has been responsible for most of the success over the last few years. Your average customer doesn't know or care about Intel v PowerPC. But in the stores they can get their hands on the hardware, try it, talk to people and get drawn in by the whole experience. It worked for me!
But I think Apple needs to get onto the corporate desktop more to have a serious challenge at big market share. - zodieman, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11In theory your idea is a good one. However, why should Apple give it away when PC makers don't include anything like that? Everyone "knows" that Word, Excel and Powerpoint are the only office programs on the planet right? By giving away an office suite they don't attach a value to it. Mom and Pop buyers buy Office for their new PCs because they don't know any better and it costs hundreds of dollars. Now, if the same people buy a Mac instead (not an impulse purchase however since the Mac is not as prevalent. Those are educated purchases) and see an office suite they can use and get still effectively communicate with the outside world they will GLADLY pay the $79 to get it and feel good about all the money they saved.
- johnpaul191, on 10/10/2007, -3/+11most Mac users don't want that. probably because Apple's OS has never had any kind of serial number authorization or anti-piracy measures. probably because it really only runs on Apple's own hardware.
Apple still sells a ton of retail boxed operating systems. *if* Apple modified OS X to run on most any x86 hardware, they would have to start some sort of anti-piracy measures. not that i want to steal the OS, i have all of them on a shelf, but it's kind of the principle. i realize it's just kind of how most things are, but there is something crappy when the second you put in an install DVD you are required to prove you did not steal it. i might not be expressing this right, but after seeing some of my friends have to call MS because they changed a video card and the computer declared them a thief and locked up...... i really enjoy OS installs on a Mac. - fanclerks, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Although Apple having a smaller market share does help keep them from being the target of attacks, there are many other reasons too that keep it from being susceptible. One is the fact that programs are normally designed to be run as a non-root account and in a sandboxed user space. A user environment might get compromised, but it doesn't mean that the rest of the OS will also.
- jellomizer, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1025% market share is probably the upper limit of Mac Use. Anything above that I would be scared... As I type on my MacBook Pro. The reason for its low market share isn't as much the price prices for comparable systems are competitive but you have more options with the other guys so you can choose and decide what you want with other PC's thus getting a more powerful system for _you_ for less price. (Say I don't need the video camera, gigabit ethernet, firewire 800 but I do need a faster processor, or mo re memory and to save a bit more I don't need a small form-factor metal case Ill go with cheap plastic. Macs are not more expensive then PCs but a PC can be configured to cost less then a Mac. Also there is the factor on what makes apple so great could still hurt it from gaining greater market share. The fact the OS and Hardware is tightly integrated. With PC's if you find that Dell Sucks and you find Lenovo is better then you go to lenovo without having to upgrade all your software. Luckily now with most services and programs being web based this is less of an issue today. But if you go with a mac and get software for it you are kinda stuck on it. Unless you are willing to buy new software later on... There has been a drop in Mac Quality my Powerbook was a solid notebook while my newer MacBook Pro while still built better then any other competitors laptop seems a bit cheaper to me more plastic, a little more flimsy.
- toetagger, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9"Apple rolls out systems featuring the latest dual cores, triple cores, quad cores and, well, you get the idea, smartly and with relative speed." He is being a little loose here... not being literal.
- anonym41414, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12The primary reason why the Windows world is plagued by viruses, spyware, and other types of malware is because it can be.
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