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- colincornaby, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32You complain that the Mac doesn't have enough games and then you rate it lower than Linux? Excuse me while I keel over laughing...
- pixelperfect, on 10/12/2007, -8/+27I can believe this, even though it is on switchtomac.com.
I see so many Apple laptops and such everywhere I go.
They are also all over the TV. - drlha, on 10/12/2007, -7/+24Yes, but nobody is actually paying for Windows in China are they?
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25You're just twisting statistics to make it sound bad. What would sound better:
"50 million people own an iPod" or "Less than 1% of World's population owns an iPod".
The 2nd statement clearly sounds more negative than the first, despite the fact that they're basically saying the same thing. The fact is that Mac market share has jumped in the last year, and thats a good thing for Apple, despite how small their overall share might be. If Ferrari sold 30% more cars in 2006 than 2005, its a good thing for Ferrari, despite the fact they sell far less than Honda. - heyitsme23, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16when you have the newest high tech gadget aimed at kids/young adults on the market right before christmas and your sales drop dramatically, its not a good sign on any level.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14"If Ferrari sold 30% more cars in 2006 than 2005, its a good thing for Ferrari, despite the fact they sell far less than Honda."
Exactly, and the growth rate is increasing, that's significant, if you say the rate of growth is big because the base is small it would make sense for the growth rate to get smaller and smaller when the base is growing, but that's not what it happening, the growth is increasing, that's important for Apple and for investors, it shows big growth potential. - pu-z, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Actually, Apple does not pay for product placement. From Wikipedia «More recently, Apple Computer frequently places its products in films and on television, where they therefore seem much more common than in most real-world offices and homes. Apple has recently stated that it does not pay for product placement, though executives will not say how their products get into movies and onto TV.»
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_placement
I read a piece some time ago, where the product lender from Apple was interviewed. She had the responisbility for lending out products to film and TV producers and getting them back when they were done. The lending of Apple products is free of charge, and the products have to be returned.
As to why they are more used, the design might matter a lot. Hardly any photographers use anyhting else than Apple products when they take stock photos. They simply photoshop the logo on the back away, that is why the (non-Mac) part of the Microsoft site is so full of Mac pictures. They use beautiful people and beautiful machines in the photos. As simple as that. - lazyplayboy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14I bought a mac for the first time a few months ago because I knew I would be able to run windows on it. I just don't seem to have got round to it, and everytime I have to use a windows machine at work it reminds why I haven't done so!
OS X has several features that are considered 'innovative' in vista.
[/fanboy] - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11In a market as saturated as the PC market, an increase of 0.05% is worthy of discussion; you're literally talking about millions of machines. It is, as you say, a "big whoop".
- wisedude, on 10/12/2007, -35/+40hmm, switchtomac.com? Certainly no bias there!
- geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Apparently, not you, but some 110 odd people Digging the article as of now.
Stop commenting if you have nothing useful to add to the discussion. You can always block the Apple section and never see another Apple story. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Who even cares if the mac percentage grows?"
Well, where should we begin?
The obvious ones are Apple and Intel, since they're the most heavily invested in the game right now. Then there's the competitors, Dell, HP, Gateway, then there's the software competitors, Microsoft, Adobe. Then you've got the investors on Wall Street and the banks that hold all of Apple's billions and other equities, Citigroup being the main player here. Then, you come down to the lowest denominators like us here on Digg and the actual customers of Apple who wish to see Apple computers become more ubiquitous, for whatever their own reasonings.
That's just a start, I'm sure plenty of people could add to the above... - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -17/+23"Everyone is bashing the Zune for not doing better than 7% on opening month. Yet Mac is still less than 6% after all these years."
Two completely different markets. DAPs have yet to hit the billions number, personal computers on the other hand are on steady pace to break 1.5 billion soon. Besides, Zune not doing better than 7% wasn't the opening /month/, it was the opening /week/. Sales of the device have trickled down so low that even iPod accessories are selling better.
Stick with the numbers on the computer side of things. While a 1.5% increase on a whole isn't huge, it's showing the beginnings of an exponential trend when plotted with Apple's previous growth. This is HUGE to investors; it signals Apple as a company with HUGE growth momentum, which will quickly fill the coffers, even more quickly than the iPod did. - threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Mac sales have increased. You can stop there. Apple isn't in the business of competing with Microsoft, they are a hardware company. The thinking is this, 6% of the world loves OS X, no matter how good it is they can't seem to sway more people to buy the hardware, introducing a Mac that can run Windows as well! So now, 94% of the rest of the world can make a choice and I bet some do run OS X with Windows. I do as well.. thanks to Apple I now only have one machine that does the work of the 2 I used to have. Funny thing:
I sold my 3 year old PC (Athlon 64 3200+, Audigy 2, ATI9800 Pro, 3 gigs memory, 500GB HD) for $400.00
I sold my 3 year old G5 (SINGLE 1.8ghz, ATI9800 Pro, 2 gigs Memory, 250GB HD) for $1000.00
Interesting huh... - heyitsme23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5yes, but doing anything with web or graphics design that is impossible. I sometimes have an ftp server window open, 2 or 3 finder windows open, dreamweaver apps, and photoshop all open and windows visible while switching between them to tweak my project.
- TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9All I have to say is...
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/giftexchange_480x376.mov
Merry Christmas guys!!! :) - heyitsme23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6ya, im sure if you had stock in apple you would be singing a different tune in your new 50 ft yacht
- heyitsme23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5for one thing, the pallettes are all free floating windows with access to other projects/apps/the desktop behind your current project. this make work way easier. Also, little things such as controls, etc. were designed mac centric, just watch the photoshop TV podcast and you will find many references to mac-only tricks.
Also, I have seen many 20 inch displays running windows where the windows are still maximized! what a waste - heyitsme23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6lol ya I can honestly say its probly best if it doesnt grow. Its hard to feel envy when sitting in front of the 20" cinema display of the imac, where i dont have to be forced to maximize every window to use it, photoshop actually works like it was made to, and I can have 10 different apps open at the same time and still quickly get my work done. call me a fanboy or zealot, but im just a satisfied customer.
- Lutz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6You know you're talking about a BSD operating system, right?
- 21chrisp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Nearly every Mac owner I know now runs WINDOWS on their Intel Macs"
Are you sure about that? I'd say maybe 1/5 of the Mac users I know use Parallels (Most are still actually on PPC). I only know of a couple that have Boot Camp, I don't know of any that really use their Windows install via Boot Camp. Of those that are using Parallels, I only know one person that actually uses it on a regular basis - and that's for a windows-only job-critical application. So I have to really wonder at your statement. If you mean, Windows is installed alongside OSX on most of those machines I might buy it. If you mean Windows is the primary OS... I don't. In fact, I don't know a single person that has bought a Mac within the past few years and gone back to Windows. I know one person who went to Windows from Mac in 2002, that's the only one since the 90s. I'm not trying to be zealot, that just really is my experience. - lamer0, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10I think you can use a mac, spell checker in every textbox. You seem to need it.
- h2d2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Does the typing the word "huge" in ALL CAPS really make this non-news bigger that it is? The fact of the matter is that the "real" Mac OS share is now lower that before since a lot of people who bought the new Intel Macs are actually using Windows more on their computers that the Mac OS. I can say that from personal experience. So may be Apple is selling more machines, but the fact that people now have the option of dual-booting into Windows to run the software they need to run, means that there is zero (to negative) increase in Mac OS usage.
And did I mention that "Market Share" by Net Applications gets it's statistics from browser / website statistics. So unless you think that all the machines in the world are now actively connected to the web and browsing sites that Net Applications monitors, take this with a "HUGE" grain of salt.
Finally, as one-sided as this site is, it's no where near the 31% market share claimed by Daniel Eran's *****.com. - heyitsme23, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11its because they count business purchases as well. Most corporations have skyscrpers packed full of thousands of dell or hp computers, if apple had the entire consumer market, it still would only probly be about 10% max.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I find it amusing when Windows zealots use games as a comparison for why not to get a Mac. I doubt most of them were alive in the late 80s when Windows 3.1.1 and MS DOS was the norm for PCs. The DOS geeks would say truly awful things about both the Mac AND Windows, because "Real men used command line" and "Mac are just toys for people to play games on".
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@ 21chrisp
I would tend to agree based on my experiences. I don't own an Intel Mac yet ( I'm receiving a free MacBook in January from the site that I help with their podcast), but of the few people that I know that have them, only one has bothered to install Windows (via bootcamp) and that was just to try out Vista RC2. Since it was on a MacBook Pro and disk space is always at a premium on notebooks, he has since reformatted the disk and uses it strictly as an OS X machine.
I can't think of any Windows only software that I would be interested in. I use consoles for GAMES (the capitalization for the benefit of superKduper. He seems to need it for some reason). I'm sure there are many people who actually need BootCamp or Parallels for certain Windows only software. I just don't know any. Use whatever freaking OS works best for you. - threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4right Fag564, it's simple.. OS X doesn't compete with Windows. Apple is a hardware company. IF Dell is now second to HP in computer sales and Apple has take 1 percent and climbing from them, then it seems more significant.
Actually, due to intel macs.. I'll bet Windows market share has increased as well.. - jwdav, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Apple doesn't sell cash registers and POS systems, or really sell much into enterprise. So while 6% to 94% "whole enchilada", is one measure, looking at the markets that Apple actually sells to is another. Apple's share of that market is more like 10-12%.
Both are valid measures of different things. - kashem, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5The FedEx guy had an interesting comment for me today as he handed me my Mac Pro "I've delivered five of these already this week. Is there a sale on them or what?"
Kind of wish it was on sale :) - heyitsme23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3or if im doing video, ill have photoshop, final cut pro, cinema 4d, maybe flash, after effects or motion, and whatever else I need open at the same time, and its very handy to see open windows together to design.
- heyitsme23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ok, well Im not sure exactly what tricks because I dont have photoshop win to compare right now, but I know from watching the photoshop tv for a year now that often times you hear "ok, this next trick is for mac users only, but windows users, we also have..." (which the windows trick usually has to deal with the mac version as well)
I know one has to deal with sliders for changing settings in the tool windows, (i think) its if you put the mouse cursor over the text before the slider and click, you can change the settings that way. (I could be wrong on this one, but I know it was something similar)
I have used both photoshop mac for years, and if I have to use the windows version, its just not the same. Its like using microsoft office on mac, you could tell it just wasnt designed for that. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I recently flew after thanksgiving (US Holiday). In the area where there are powerjacks for the laptops at the JetBlue JFK terminal, there were 12 people with laptops. EVERY SINGLE ONE was a new apple laptop. I was sitting there myself with my new Macbook and didn't realize it until I got up to board and looked back and saw all the glowing white apple logos staring back at me.
Sure, JetBlue doesn't really cater to business users, and most of the people were probably holiday travelers, so most were probably not business computers, but it really struck me as unusual that all of the laptops were Apples.
I do pay attention to these things and there has been a noticeable increase in the visibility of apple gear in places where people congregate with their computers. In fact the last time I was in that terminal about a year ago, less than a third of the laptops were Apples. At the time I thought it was quite a few. - OneAndOnlySnob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Adding up all the Mac Market Rise stories on Digg for the past year or so, I calculate Apple's market share to be approximately 172% (compound interest).
- KSUdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Really? Lets see how quick you are to discuss another product that cuts into a share of a market that is dominated by an Apple product."
The only market that is dominated by an Apple product is the MP3 player and music store. I've yet to see anybody make a serious threat to that. The Zune? That one's failing pretty quickly from what I've seen. - sv650touring, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Morons
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Sorry, I wasn't willing to put much time into it. This is a stupid thread. - pero69, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Nearly every Mac owner I know now runs WINDOWS on their Intel Macs"
so why'd they buy it? - nixfu, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Actually, according to ZDNET the home consumer market only accounts for "about 10 percent" of PC's sold(ZDNET 7/.2006).
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9584_22-6092226.html
so...lets do the math again....
5.39/10 = 53% gain in HOME PC Marketshare.
Really....FIFTY THREE PERCENT of the home pc market?
Wow..thats amazing if its trending true. - DucksofAnaheim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Gartner is already saying Mac and Linux will lose market-share after Vista hits ;)
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1except without the talent
- Aleks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Same thing for me. I live in New York City and often visit various Starbucks stores to get my dose of Caffeine and noticed that about 80-90% of people in there using the T-Mobile Hotspot are Mac users...
The reason why the market share is so low is due to huge corporations using PC's/Windows. Maybe somebody can break down the market share for home vs corporate. - halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@flag564
If users start buying on price and features instead of marketing, Creative will eat both the Zune and the iPod for lunch. Archos will sweep up what's left as they both let out a loud belch having devoured the MP3 market. - LilRabbitFooFoo, on 08/11/2008, -1/+2They did it so they could play GAMES.
- KSUdesigner, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well I doubt that it's as high as 53%, but it's likely a larger number than 5.39%, maybe 10% but I have no hard numbers to go by.
- cthellis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@h2d2
A) He claims nowhere near that.
B) What, specifically, is your problem with the point he made? You can certainly argue with other points in his "marketshare myth" article, but I believe the only one you are highlighting here is the way the marketshare ratios--they way they're stated--understate just what is "Apple" in each of Apple's sales. Dells sell computers that are one part Dell, one part Microsoft; Apple sells computers that are two parts Apple. (All of Dell's sales volume nets them 0% marketshare of the OS market, and all of Microsoft's dominance gets them 0% of the computer sales marketshare. Each of Apple's sales does both.)
It's just a mitigating factor in the way one should think about the computer market overall. - rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Daffy. Go watch 'Inside Man'. Tell me that wasn't the biggest product placement you've ever seen.
The same week I saw that I also saw 'Basic Instinct 2' (20" iMac, but was a bit more subtle than Inside Man, though that would not be hard), you don't need to watch this one though, it isn't as good, you can just take my word for it :D
And I also saw V for Vendetta. Which didn't have any Macs in it - but then it is a 'terrible vision of a dystopian future'. Or in other words, without the Mac it really would be 1984 :D
If there is a laptop shown in a movie or advertisement (I won't speak for TV, since I hardly watch it anymore these days), there's a better than even chance that it will be a Mac. Heck Microsoft even used a Macintosh laptop in their add about how great it will be to be virus free. (Ironic on sooo many different levels). - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have one computer at work but two computers at home as do many others. The consumer market is very large. The big question is, do consumers replace their machines more or less often than their computer at work is replaced?
- nufoto, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"first, they always crash" OK perhaps they needed a reboot after a few month's of 24/7 usage. you know what your talking about perhaps you are referring to the OS 9 days?
Games for Mac:
http://www.apple.com/games/gettingstarted/
http://www.macgamefiles.com
feel free to post a web page with commercial Linux games? Nothing against Linux works great and Rock solid. But to compare Linux gaming and OS X gaming forget it! and with the increase in market share there should be more titles on the way. - Boondoggle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2that is a total load of crap. A lot of people are buying macs because they have the option to run windows, but most of them don't end up doing so full time or even half time.
- SDE06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thank you I was just going to post something similar, however I could not find the link for stats and forecasts - it said Apple's ww market share would reach 8.6% by......2016! LOL! good luck!
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