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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+62Agreed. PowerPoint is a headache to use and Keynote is much more professional-looking, or not depending on the theme.
FYI, Al Gore used this app for the presentation in his movie, An Inconvenient Truth. - neoform, on 10/12/2007, -19/+64Didn't Al Gore invent Keynote?
- Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36"Al Gore, probably used it... because he is on Apple's board of directors"
That and the fact that it's actually better, easier to use, and more impressive. Both of those reasons, yeah. - Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -9/+33Most PC users wont even know what Keynote is, but as a switcher I can tell you it kicks Powerpoint's ass!! http://www.apple.com/iwork/keynote/
And the other parts of iWork will eventually take on Office: http://www.apple.com/iwork
I know there's only two apps in iWork now, but there's another one or two coming in January an Macworld: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1138
http://www.duggmirror.com - dtox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24@neoform
LOL
from the replies I don't think they got it... I thought it was funny as hell ;)
I haven't used Keynote but I've witnessed a few presentations in my years. After one that impressed me (after many that bored me) I asked the presenter where he got the assets (backgrounds and such) for the Powerpoint... he chuckled and said "You liked it because it wasn't Powerpoint, it was keynote". - blaksaga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24On a side note, one thing I never understood is why openoffice presentation tries to mimic microsoft powerpoint. It is terribly unintuitive.
- PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26People need to stop saying "BURY ME" just to get dugg up :-]
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+29Whew, I thought I'd never see another Apple article on the front page again with all this PS3 news.
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21Powerpoint is on the Mac too you know. I guess you might be right about them being biased against MS, but to be honest I've been using PP on the Mac for 3 years now and its really starting to piss me off how clunky, sluggish and difficult to use it is. I've seen people putting together Keynote presentations in minutes that look better than I labor over for hours. Personally I'm going to pick up iLife '07 when its released to and give Keynote a real go. Maybe by the time Office 2008 for Mac comes out, I won't even want it (for Powerpoint).
- PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20JeffH: Show me.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/12/2007, -8/+24I'm going to be dugg down for saying this, but Powerpoint 2007 has really changed and makes making pretty reflective images and what not very easy to make, presentations similar to Keynote and does it very well. Its obvious that Powerpoint 2007 took a page from Keynote and tried to improve upon it.
Download the beta and give it a shot.
Plus I believe that ultimately a good presentation is more dependent on the user than the software. I've been able to make killer awesome looking presentations by using Photoshop to create nice looking images and on either Keynote + Powerpoint 2007 to do the rest. - Nerevar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17OpenOffice tries to emulate all of MS office which really seems like a stupid choice to me. That's one thing about a lot of open source projects that bugs me, too much emulation of Microsoft products instead of making a totally original program.
- ryanschmidt, on 10/12/2007, -23/+38Agreed Keynote takes PowerPoint for sure but come on...
An all mac website, with ads for only mac stuff reviewing how a mac program is better than a "pc" program... What do you expect the answer to be?
BURY ME - Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15"The Apple site wants me to install quicktime, ***** that..."
Don't worry there's no spyware on their site, it's run on Apple servers ;) - Railer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Here you go I found the demos:
Office 2007 PowerPoint
http://www.microsoft.com/office/demo/powerpoint/index.html
and Keynote 3
http://www.apple.com/iwork/quicktour/keynote/
I leave it for you to decide. - Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"Here you go I found the demos:
Office 2007 PowerPoint
http://www.microsoft.com/office/demo/powerpoint/index.html
and Keynote 3
http://www.apple.com/iwork/quicktour/keynote/
I leave it for you to decide."
LOL!! While we're at it why don't we let Pages 2.0 cause Microsoft more embarrassment: http://www.apple.com/iwork/quicktour/pages/ - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Because most of the open source world, especially those who develop for the Linux desktop, never come up with any original ideas, but merely copy OS X and Windows? Sorry but it's true. There are exceptions: Firefox, Adium, Cyberduck . . . but on the whole the creative landscape is pretty dismal in the open source community. Then again, the same is true for anything MS touches. Apple, and the developers inspired by them are really the only exceptions.
Another reason open source apps tend to feel cluttered is because they're cross platform, and behind the scenes attempting to pander to each audience (this is why Camino is necessary on the Mac, and why I can't stand to use anything other than Safari). OpenOffice is another victim of this, and so is PowerPoint on Mac. One of the reasons Keynote is sleek and easy to use because it was designed with one OS and UI in mind. - Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Original article can be found here: http://software.seekingalpha.com/article/20686
- GreatDrok, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I was accused of spending too long on a presentation I did in Keynote because it looked too good. This was from an exec who uses PowerPoint all the time and his presentations look terrible despite the hours he spends trying to make them look good. Keynote allows me to concentrate on content and let it handle the presentation part.
- anagoge, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11No matter what application the general public use to give presentations, they're STILL going to use bright red 72pt Comic Sans on a green background with each letter transitioning and a sound accompanying them.
It's like Myspace for business. - PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I'm not trying to bash PowerPoint 2007, but this really made me laugh:
"but Powerpoint 2007 has really changed and makes making pretty reflective images" - avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Keynote has made me look great, again and again. I performed a presentation in front of my entire company which took me 20 minutes to create. The program can't do everything powerpoint can but the integration into iLife (photo's movies etc) makes it so damn quick to create something that looks so damn fine
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After the presentation, 17 people asked me who i used to make the presentation. Seven of those people now have mac's - b3and1p, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12This site just looks like a giant advertisement.
- anonym41414, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The whole it-looks-like-poop thing is a significant drawback.
- EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7The last point is wrong. PowerPoint has a presenter mode that puts the slide on the screen and all the notes and controls on the laptop as well. I've got a little bit of experience with PowerPoint 2007 and it seems much improved as well. It's also a ridiculously powerful piece of software, although I must say I don't use any of the advanced features myself nor do I know anybody that does.
I have Keynote installed on my Mac. I need to check it out--the presentations created with it seem very nice. - Falldog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9It's just as easy to give a stupid presentation in both.
- virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Keynote has much classier looking themes and transitions, not just "whoosh" and "fly away", they have professional ones like "Fall down" and "push in" (I don't know the exact names but if you use keynote, you will know what I'm talking about.
On the other hand, Pages sucks. I've been using it for 4 months now and it can't really be compared to Word. I tried Apple, I tried to use your software "Pages" but it just needs help. The whole thing about single spacing looking like double spacing just makes me not want to use it more : - hackwrench, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I've heard of Jobs' powerful keynote speeches before, but it appears he's really outdone himself this time.
- rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6> Ireland: "And the other parts of iWork will eventually take on Office:"
Maybe. Apple taking on Office would be pretty sweet.
However, in order to get that to work, I think they would somehow have to solve the 'Exchange server problem'.
Exchange is the biggest stranglehold that Microsoft has in the business arena. Exchange is how they muscled into the file and print market segment.
With all the macro viruses in Outlook and Office you'd think people would have ditched them long ago. Or even recently, when there are perfectly good _free_ alternatives (Open Office).
Things like Mail, iCal and Address Book are nice and have some integration, but still somehow come up a bit short when compared with Outlook. Outlook is a horrible program, but when someone sent me a reminder for iCal, I couldn't figure out how to accept it or turn it off and on. I ended up deleting it with brute force.
With Outlook you can at least book a meeting with a bunch of people and have a reminder pop up 5 or 10 minutes beforehand, and have people accept and decline etc. (Which is where Exchange enters the picture).
The thing that surprises me is that it doesn't have a better room & projector booking setting. It handles people reasonably well but not resources.
If they can solve the Exchange server problem, come up with a nice Spreadsheet and a nice 'quick and dirty' database system* then they might have something.
*I hear a lot of good things about Filemaker. It is way too expensive for me to play around with though, and in order to bundle it with an 'office killer' suite they'd have to get the price way way down (from $700 to less than $100 for starters). - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6STFU, JeffH.
that was just shameless. i don't like sales pitches on digg. - kapowaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4In all the rush to big up Apple and denounce Microsoft, virtually everyone has ignored exactly what Edward Tufte points out: the problem with Powerpoint *isn't* Powerpoint at all; it's the medium itself. Keynote is a far superior application to Powerpoint for producing very attractive slideware, but slideware as a medium is atrociously abused. Only last week I received a specification for a marketing website I'm working on as a Powerpoint presentation, even though it was essentially just text content and a few diagrams, and I was never actually going to have it 'presented'. Think: how many times have you seen PDFs of slides from a Keynote presentation distributed online?
People need to get out of the mindset of using slideware (including Keynote) for things that slideware is inappropriate for. Edward Tufte's essay on the Cognitive Style of Powerpoint (http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint) is essential reading for anybody who is required to produce reports and presentations on a regular basis. - JackAxe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I HATE PowerPoint, and what's worse are the corporate monkeys that send it out as if it's a PSD file. I work as an artist and I've gotten plenty of PowerPoint presos over the years full of butchered-lo-rez art, that they expect me to work with, wether it's an oline demo or a printable piece.
I can't wait for the vomit that is PowerPoint to drop out of mainstream use. - bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4On the rare occasion I need to do a presentation I've used Keynote, ever since the 1.0 days. I can get something decent looking ready in a matter of minutes with minimal haggling.
I've also used Keynote to do slides in a video. I was working on a promotional video once and couldn't find any video generators in Final Cut Express that really produced bulleted, animated text the way I desired, so I had Keynote produce a QT movie exported as DV, then dropped it into Final Cut Express. I added some narration and it looked great. - z3cka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4presentations are boring.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Hey IQ, since Apple doesn't have a real spreadsheet program, some of the more advanced graphing functionality is not there. However, Chartsmith is a program that integrates with Keynote and supports error bars.
http://blacksmith.com/products/chartsmith/screen_shots/index.html - jaydj, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10Good point, Crackers.
It's all in the mentality of the person putting the presentation together. Everyone is stuck in the "slide show" and don't realize that it should be a more interactive experience. As with PowerPoint, an improperly implemented Keynote presentation will suffer the same fate.
Installing Word does not magically give you the power to create a great document. Neither will any other piece of software. - shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yes, dammit, I nkow what you mean. Almost as bad as a .doc full of thumbnails.
"The pictures are in the document we sent you." uuuuuh, so we have no photos, eh? Great, now you've wasted hours of my time, plus I have to explain the wonders of Image Resolution to you. ffahk.... - badtz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Leave it to Microsoft to wait for someone else to innovate and then TRY and copy them and can't succeed. reminds me of that new device they released tuesday .... what's it called again?
- QuidnuncQuixot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Another great feature?
"Microsoft Office Standard Edition v11 (MSRP New User Price $399 US)"
"iWork '06 $79" - ctour95, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I used to use PowerPoint to run the media at the church I work at, then I got an Apple and iWork, everything looks about ten times better now. What drove me nuts with PowerPoint was how ugly the fonts were, how much you relied on the backgrounds to make things look good, and the ugly transitions.
- kapowaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3No matter how much better it looks, Powerpoint is still inherently flawed. It'll still channel people down a route of tailoring our content to fit the presentation instead of vice-versa. No matter how many pretty reflections you use, if you are forced to water down your content, your presentation will suck.
- bedouin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I generally agree, though some people can use them effectively. I really dreaded it when I was in college and an entire course was some professor reading his PowerPoint slides and just expecting us to jot everything down. On the first day I would usually ask him for a copy on a disk, and if he agreed, and if there was no firm attendance policy, I only showed up for quizzes and exams. Why should I sit through that crap.
- jocabola, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Keynote has an excellent template system. These guys did a great job and you can extend Keynote with outstanding themes: http://www.keynotepro.com/index.html
Another feature which rocks and saved my ass in some presentations is the dual-monitor support. The preview in my laptop screen let me help to introduce the next slide since I can see it in advance...
@xxxkrogoth: if you want to use powerpoint, you need to buy a pc, a windows license and a much more expensive (and in my opinion worse) software.,. where is the point? you can choose linux and open office if that's your point... - meeyanpeat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5So I don't get it. MS is introducing a new version of Office with a much improved version of PowerPoint. The part that I don't get is, why is the worlds largest software corporation with the worlds largest distributed office suite just now upgrading their presentation software, which by the way is over 10 years old, to the same level of Keynote v. 1?
I work for a school district and build presentations for the Superintendent and all of the other administrators in my district. I started with PowerPoint because it was the defacto standard. Once I got a copy of Keynote there was no looking back. Things that take a lot of steps to do in PP are just a matter of dragging and dropping. I don't get why MS cannot seem to figure out that user experience is very important.
I recently had the displeasure of creating a presentation for a conference back in Boston. Sadly the presentation had to be in PP, but fortunately I could create it in Keynote and then export to PP. When it was all said and done I felt like PP had ruined a very nice presentation. I spent a week trying to get things too look better in PP but nothing brought it even close to what it was like in Keynote.
I really hope that MS has learned a lesson with 2007. I will check it out and give it a shot but I am not holding my breath. - JakeWalker, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Edward Tufte thread on Keynote vs. Powerpoint
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0000zF&topic_id=1 - mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I asked someone to send me a JPG I needed for something, so she put THE ACTUAL JPG into a PowerPoint slide and sent me a PowerPoint file.
There should be at least a bare minimum understanding of certain technical things before one is able to get any good job in 2006. - pixelbeat_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What's wrong with HTML for presentations?
This has the big advantage of being publishable directly on the web.
In firefox one hits F11 to go into fullscreen mode for presentation.
You can remove any extraneous toolbars with the view->toolbars menu. - matt0ne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree with the consensus that Keynote looks slicker than PowerPoint. I recently had a presentation to make and opened a PowerPoint file in Keynote to try it out more and I found the presenter view frustrating compared to PowerPoint. It only showed my the next slide, whereas powerpoint displays a ribbon of all the slides on one side of the screen. I generally need to jump around all over the presentations so this is definately an advantage to me.
- vfrex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2What don't you get? With microsoft as the virtual monopoly, they don't have to put any money or effort into innovating their presentation software. Who is going to take away their market share?
This is one of the main reasons why I trash Microsoft. They push competitors out of the market, then sit on their asses, let the apps grow stale, and make huge money on it. Had there been a viable competitor to PPT over the entire 10 years of its existence, presentation software would have been further along right now than Office 2007 or Keynote. Microsoft could have used its size and resources to actually push software development forward, rather than let application lines like this stagnate. - kevinHaney, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I have to use Keynote at school, you can do some really cool things if you know how to use it right.
(To mess with our teachers sometimes we try and put the whole presentation on one slide, hehe) -
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