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- theVariable, on 10/12/2007, -4/+145"You don't want your phone to be an open platform”
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. - joejordan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50For $600 + 2 year REQUIRED contract, I should be able to install on my phone whatever I damn well please.
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36"You don't want your phone to be an open platform"
Err.. yes you do. That's what a smartphone is. Without the ability to run 3rd party apps my feelings of the iPhone have changed from "Blown away, I'm buying one" to "wait and see if they change their mind on this closed platform thing". - ashukg, on 10/12/2007, -12/+41Hmmmm thats so typical of Apple and Jobs. Closed platform controlled environment. It works for something like iPod but as a smartphone user I can't imagine living with the paltry set of apps that Apple ships and not being able to choose and buy the apps that I want.And for the cost that it's making me pay, I'd be weary of it.
Remeber what happened to mac in early days thanks to this closed platform approach? - tekz0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29the first one to make any sense in this thread.
- PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -11/+36"We define everything that is on the phone!" "You don’t want your phone to be like a PC!" "You don’t want your phone to be an open platform!!" "Heed my words!!" "Obey!!!" "Obey!!!!"
I generally don't mind SJ, but damn he's arrogant today.
Oh, also, on another note...
"Cingular doesn’t want to see their West Coast network go down because some application messed up."
That would be Cingular's fault. If one unit freaking out (no pun intended) can bring down a net, they have some serious issues to work out. It's like my school which forbids ANYONE from connecting a personal computer to the network. A good network can withstand all but the most determined of (cr|h)ackers. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+31i feel like the Japanese right now
http://www.digg.com/apple/Japan_Yawning_at_iPhone - xaxxon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+26Hear hear!
- dbug, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Seriously, stop telling me what I want Steve!
- cdmarcus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17You might not want your PHONE to be an open platform, but you do want your SMARTPHONE to be an open platform.
- torifile, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16I'm getting less and less excited about the iPhone. I'm not happy about hearing this.
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16it's not really running OSX, just like Windows Mobile is not really Windows
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14It's communism I tells ya!
- mr1337, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14Well I'm glad Jobs said that "You don't want your phone to be an open platform," because I know that he speaks for every single potential buyer of the iPhone. Who is he kidding? What if I DO want my phone to be an open platform? (Which, I do.) Who is to say that I should not be able to develop my own apps for my own phone?
But alas, we ARE talking about Apple here.
Edit: Haha. Looks like I was beat. Maybe if I hadn't typed so much. - MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13"You don't want your phone to be an open platform,”
Because we all know how much people _love_ BREW phones. - nsummy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11I also don't get his quote about an app bringing down a network. I have a sony ericsson phone right now and have tons of java apps and games on it. Somehow Cingular doesn't seem to mind and their "network" hasn't been brought down. Same with other smartphones too. Even the blackberrry you can put 3rd party apps on. Is anyone else confused about his statement? Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to buy an iphone but I don't see why I can install custom apps on it.
- virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9He's covering his ass so Skype won't be ported.
- beforeIforget, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Same feelings here. I was expecting the iPhone to handle 3rd party (or built-by-me) widgets. This was the first thing that popped into my head when I saw all those widgets on the screen during the keynote. I thought there'd be a toolkit, little emulator, etc ... kinda like the RIM toolkit. This significantly lowers the coolness factor for me and pretty much makes this a "consumer-only" product. Good luck justifying this to any PHB.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8It sounds like the iPhone doesn't have the sufficient security architecture in place to allow generic applications.
That's a real shame. The large library of 3rd-party apps is what is keeping the Palm platform alive, despite more advanced rivals. On top of the potential for games, it's nice to be able to run, say, an SSH client on your Treo, BlackBerry, or other Java phone, not to mention, financial apps, gas mileage apps, databases, shopping lists, etc.
On the other hand, I'm sure Apple will supply plenty of games, and only turbo geeks need an SSH client in their phone. Still, 3rd-party apps is one area where the other smart phones can compete. - DNAspark99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7just give me one app - terminal - and by extension, ssh... and I'm happy. Work from anywhere. It's all I want.
- signal15, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8That's fine with me if he wants to keep it closed. I just won't buy one until they announce a VPN client, an ssh client, an RDP client, and Intellisync or BES client, and an SCP client. Oh... wait, you can't cater to my niche needs? Well, that sucks because almost everyone has a niche need or want, how are they gonna make everyone happy without allowing 3rd party developers to make apps for the phone?
I actually kind of pissed at Apple right now. That phone looks absolutely amazing, and then they ***** it up with a 2 year Cingular contract requirement, and not allowing 3rd party apps. I don't care that Steve said it wasn't a smartphone, he compared it to a bunch of them, which means it damn well better do what those do plus more.
I'll keep my E61 until something better comes along that still allows 3rd party apps. - ispcaster, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Welcome to the big boys table STEVE JOBS.
This is not a market where you are selling iPods to 13 year olds that cry to mommy and daddy for what's cool. This is a market of movers and shakers and power users. $499+ for a phone and I have to ask permission from the almighty Jobs what I can put on my phone? F**K that! Apple will not dictate to me how I will use a phone. Cingular (the slow ass network) will not tell me that an app on my phone will bring down their network. WTF?
Jobs has lost it.. This is NOT iPod land Steve.. Damn!
You lost me at, "screw you end user you do not know how to use a phone, I mighty Steve do!!"
I will stick with the Treo 700p. At least I have a choice with Palm.
I have a MacBook Pro, Mac Mini, and iMac.. All Intel based.. I will pass on the phone.
Next. - crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Beat me to it.
***** Steve Jobs... - zetsurin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6In my gadget shopping list, the iPhone sits at number one... with a big horizontal line drawn across it.
Why did he promote the fact that it runs "OSX"? If I can't port my apps to it why am I supposed to give a toss about that? Anyway, I am relocating to Japan in August, so I will just wait until then when I can buy what the iPhone was supposed to be. I remember one of the original articles boasting about "American Engineering" behind the iPhone. I guess it's time for those engineers to go back trying to get their carse to turn corners. - kizzbizz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9I think the most ironic thing about this whole fiasco is that I watched the old 1997 Macworld Address that Jobs did when he came back to the board and was trying to revamp the company. He said specifically that Apple was alienating their core clients (Education and Creative Design) in their product choices. He said they were alienating 25,000,000 loyal mac enthusiasts.
What's the difference now? He's sticking it to those diehard enthusiasts who would A. Know what to do with an open API and B. Would care that one existed on the phone. Average Joe might not care about open API, but Average Joe isn't paying 600.00$ for a camera-ipod-"smart"-internetcommunicator phone, those diehard Mac lovers are. They're the ones creating the buzz.
Hard not to enjoy looking at the design decisions they took with the hardware and the software, but again he's doing just what they did back in the mid 1990's (granted, to a much lesser degree): sticking it to the Apple lovers. Difference is now Apple isn't on the verge of bankruptcy. - MackPrime, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9lucky it'll run linux, when those berserk linux haxorzorz get their hands on it.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6This phone will likely run OSX in the same way that Windows Mobile phones run Windows. It's not _really_ Windows, but they just say it is.
- ScottAG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Any Verizon customers in the audience who can share their tales of BREW? You think all smartphones are open? If I want an iPod in my phone, I'm going to want it to work like a phone foremost.
The only real problem with the iPhone not being open is the big question of whether a VOIP solution will be made for the iPhone. That's the real killer app for this device. But then that's probably one area a network partner would NOT want Apple to venture into. - digga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@kman004 Your.... WHAT?
- kman004, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Either Jobs is full of ***** (my suspentions) or Cingular just really really sucks.
- catalysis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6OMG the apple iphone, if opened, will be able to bring down the entire cingular network. Thats one powerful phone.
/sarcasm - rogermudd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5“You don’t want your phone to be an open platform."
For those of us that do:
http://www.openmoko.com/
Announced in November. Expected to be delivered within the next month. Sometimes I want to pull Jobs turtleneck over his head and tie it in a knot. - nerd05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4for the love of God, wait till June and you'll find out.
- signal15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It's got Wifi on it, not just EDGE.
- Kazrog, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7It runs OS X. It has a fast USB 2.0 port on it. It can, and will be hacked. I am excited about hacking my iPhone. :)
I think Jobs' assertion is true for most of the buying public, and it will be a stable platform as a result. But for me and other geeks - we will hack the hell out of these things!! - idean360, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6He said Apple will be controlling what is on the iPhone, this can easily mean they will just have to be approved 3rd party apps...
I don't think thats such a bad idea...quality control. Palm OS has this problem, because there are like 50,000,000 ALOT of them conflict with eachother, and cause the phone to be buggy. (in my experience) - pevensen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I DO want my phone to be an open platform. That is the beauty of the Treo! This is a deal-breaker for me. Guess I'll be hanging on to my Treo.
- signal15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4No, he's right, it is one expensive phone. However, if it were a smartphone it would be reasonably priced. It's just another phone with a music player if you can't put 3rd party apps on it.
- kman004, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Maybe Im not getting what youre saying but last time I checked google maps was on pretty much on any new smart phone like the BlackBerry. Not to mention, RIM gives you a tool kit to develop your own 3rd party apps so you can make your own stock tickers, weather trackers, rss feed generators, ms word support and etc. and now Blackberrys have GPS support.. sounds to me that the BB is pretty powerful... but it hasn't taken down any network ever. Jobs is trying to make the iphone to be all powerful when it isn't so to make up for the lack of 3rd party software support.
- UtopianComplex, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I only want one if I can put Skype on it.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I want an open platform phone! why would you want a closed platform? i want to be able to put my own apps on it that i choose.
- deshelbr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"You don't want your phone to be an open platform,”
I think you're confused, Steve.
YOU don't want my phone to be an open platform . . . you manipulating, control freak. - natch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"You don't want your phone to be an open platform,”
Just wow. Talk about making history, THAT is the history making comment. The day when Jobs fell down.
When did Jobs decide it was no longer important to give us his best possible? - unit101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5People aren't looking at this through the right perspective. What if as an independent developer you can have your apps vetted by Apple (probably for a fee) then have them placed on the iTunes Store where people can buy/download? This could be great for indie developers because of the distribution system and great for consumers who are guaranteed apps that don't bog down the iPhone. Obviously, this is conjecture but it seems to me like it could be a possibility.
- haid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Capability is not the same as interest. They don't do open because they want to control it. And thus sell you what you would otherwise get for (nearly) free if it supported java, or 3rd party widgets.
Q: Why does the iPod play MP3 files?
A: Because if it didn't, nobody would buy it.
Same applies here. The iPhone will only be open if that is the only way we will buy it. The only question is whether we will let Apple get away with it. - nunofgs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Oh man, somebody take a picture of Steve Jobs and slap a "NO SOUP FOR YOU" on it
- drjones78, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yea this doesnt really make sense. This is a cover story, so Job's doesnt have to tell everyone they dont want people using VOIP and IM on their mobile's. Third party apps dont present any more danger to the phone networks than 3rd party apps endanger the internet.
Of course this is a concern for every carrier, but I really hoped Apple would stand up to them in the same ways they stood up to the record companies. Theyve intentionally held back technology in order to preserve dying business models and models that they hope to carve into existence by placing artificial limits on the technology they produce, to the detriment of everyone who buys their products.
I've been posting all around for the past two days defending the iPhone from the naysayers. With this move by Apple, I completely renig all of that. 3rd party applications and the ability to extend this device in ways Apple or Cingular dont feel like doing or dont find profitable enough are what make platforms flourish. Without that we are subject to their whims.
This is more than an iPod, Jobs. Its could be one of the best tech innovations in the mobile space to date, stop trying to cripple it. - virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nuh-uh! You can have that cool splash-like interface thing that I see all the time on Digg but I don't see anybody in the real world using!!
- voidptr, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Two years ago the RAZR was $500, and the only thing smart about it is the industrial design and bluetooth.
- crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Open source isn't the same as an open platform, and the iPhone doesn't really run OS X. Which means there's not "BSD at the core".
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